Axiom Audio EP500 VS SVS PB12-Plus/2

[jc1carter829@ho]

Still very new to your forum, Love it by the way!!! Very curious about these two subwoofers, Does anybody know which is better? Price is about the same I think $1000. Love the SVS subwoofers, any input would be greatly appreiciated. Thank you guys.

 

[RMK!]

Does anyone know which is better?

Still very new to your forum, Love it by the way!!! Very curious about these two subwoofers, Does anybody know which is better? Price is about the same I think $1000. Love the SVS subwoofers, any input would be greatly appreiciated. Thank you guys.

If you are serious, the thread search function will give you lots of posts about these two subs. There are also detailed reviews of both of these products on this site. As it is doubtful that any one forum member heard (side by side), let alone owned both of these subs you will get a lot of hearsay opinions. If that is what you are after, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

 

[silversurfer]

Love the SVS subwoofers....

What do you love about them?

 

[Sheep]

If you are serious, the thread search function will give you lots of posts about these two subs. There are also detailed reviews of both of these products on this site. As it is doubtful that any one forum member heard (side by side), let alone owned both of these subs you will get a lot of hearsay opinions. If that is what you are after, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

Craigsub has heard them both.

I think its safe to say the EP500 is out of its league with the Plus/2.

SheepStar

 

[korgoth]

they are in different leagues because one is a single 12 and one has dual 12's.

no single 12 in that price point will be as loud. That doesnt necessarily make the plus/2 better, but it should definately be louder. It's also extremely big and hard to hide.

The svs ultra and ep500 are a closer match. the ep500 came out as a favorite in craigsubs review, but lots of people still think the svs might be better. id be happy with either one.

 

[craigsub]

they are in different leagues because one is a single 12 and one has dual 12's.

no single 12 in that price point will be as loud. That doesnt necessarily make the plus/2 better, but it should definately be louder. It's also extremely big and hard to hide.

The svs ultra and ep500 are a closer match. the ep500 came out as a favorite in craigsubs review, but lots of people still think the svs might be better. id be happy with either one.

Actually, I never reviewed the EP-500 vs. the Ultra. We did have a blind shootout between the two, but no formal review.

I will be putting the EP-500 into the mix with the VTF-3 HO and the PB12-Ultra.

The dual driver SVS, based on other test results, really are not much ahead of their single driver brothers, in regards to extension and output, so this head to head should be somewhat informative.

 

[AMG_Roadster]

Craigsub - glad to hear that you are throwing some other subs into the current review you have going on. The wider the playing field the better. There are so many choices on subs.

Your review on the Maestro has me very tempted to pick one up. Although for the WAF I have to replace my main speakers first. Looking at your review the Maestro seems to fit what I want, great music & HT response and sound quality. Plus I am very limited in my sub placement options so the ease of tuning for the sub may be an important factor. Now if I can just find someone to make me a deal.

 

[Ajax]

I think its safe to say the EP500 is out of its league with the Plus/2.

I disagree that it's "safe" to say that. Have you heard both?

jc1carter829@ho, If Craig throws the EP500 into his VTF-3 HO/SVS Ultra comparison, that should give you a better idea which you might prefer. I've not heard the PB12 Plus/2, but I have heard the EP500 and the SVS Ultra. Based on that experience, I'd venture a guess that each of the two you are considering has it's slight advantages and disadvantages, and that you would not be disappointed by either. Your choice should depend on the size and limitations of your room, personal taste, what you're looking for in the sound of a subwoofer.

 

[craigsub]

Craigsub - glad to hear that you are throwing some other subs into the current review you have going on. The wider the playing field the better. There are so many choices on subs.

Your review on the Maestro has me very tempted to pick one up. Although for the WAF I have to replace my main speakers first. Looking at your review the Maestro seems to fit what I want, great music & HT response and sound quality. Plus I am very limited in my sub placement options so the ease of tuning for the sub may be an important factor. Now if I can just find someone to make me a deal.

As Mike Dzurko said to me ... $2100 IS the deal - and based on my experience with the Maestro, I cannot argue. There have been a few Maestros on Audiogon - I would suggest checking there frequently. One just went for $1300 ... nice deal.

And by the end of this month, not only will the EP-500 get tossed into the mix, so will the Velo DD-18.

 

[Wid]

There is a Maestro on Audiogon right now.

 

[AMG_Roadster]

The Maestro on Audiogon is sold. Contacted the guy about it last week.

Not saying that the price for the Maestro is bad but if I found someone like Craigsub who had two and wanted to get rid of them...

 

[Manic Miner]

Comparing the EP500 and the Plus/2 is like comparing a Toyota Camry and a Humvee The Plus/2 is in a different league as far as SPL, and depth goes. Also the single Plus will beat the EP500 for depth, but for SPL >25hz they will be more comparable.

 

[---k---]

Funny, the Camry is the number one selling car in America and is considered the benchmark of quality. Is that what you intended to imply?

 

[craigsub]

Funny, the Camry is the number one selling car in America and is considered the benchmark of quality. Is that what you intended to imply?

Ryan - That was pretty funny.

Here is an open question - with a preamble. For some reason, the subwoofer world has become obsessed with the concept that "louder is always better".

Based on this, the finest loudspeaker for under $20,000 would HAVE to be the new Klipsch La Scala for $4000. One can deliver 130 dB @ one meter with a 400 watt signal.

Of course, there would be a lot of argument that the La Scala is the finest speaker. (Actually, there are some pro-audio models which would likely deliver a higher SPL than would the Klipsch, especially for the $$$$) ...

So ... Since in other areas of audio, the whole louder=better does not reign supreme ... the question:

At what frequency does sound quality no longer matter ?

 

[Manic Miner]

Funny, the Camry is the number one selling car in America and is considered the benchmark of quality. Is that what you intended to imply?

I know, I had one some years ago, and once I move away from Denmark were you buy one car and pay for three, or in case of the car of the Camrys size probably closer to four (taxes) I'll probably buy another.

I was more implying the difference in size, and what obstacles they could tackle, but I guess you did get that

 

[Ajax]

Comparing the EP500 and the Plus/2 is like comparing a Toyota Camry and a Humvee The Plus/2 is in a different league as far as SPL, and depth goes. Also the single Plus will beat the EP500 for depth, but for SPL >25hz they will be more comparable.

OOO! Bad analogy. There are those who feel the Humvee, is excessively large, remarkably ugly, grossly overpriced, and totally unnecessary for achieving the desired result, i.e. getting from point A to point B. But, I guess you got that.

And, last time I checked, the Humvee was around 3 times the cost of a Camry. (Apologies to all Humvee owners. Please enjoy yours. I just wished to point out there is more than one school of thought regarding them, as well as subwoofers ). By the way MM, have you ever driven a Humvee, or, for that matter, heard an EP500?

 

[Manic Miner]

Ajax: No, and no.

But I do think that it is obvious that the Humvee will tackle rough obstacles better then the Camry, and that the Plus/2 is louder and deeper then the EP500. Do you disagree?

 

[silversurfer]

While the Plus/2 will play louder and lower, I have heard various SVS subs(never a 2 driver model though) and I have recently heard a EP500 in a large room. In that non side by side comparison, the EP500 strikes me as more of a balanced performer. It sounded great, and the form factor was very nice.

Numbers are great if you can not hear the subs, but if you can, listen to the subs. It is amazing what you hear.

 

[Sheep]

Ajax: No, and no.

But I do think that it is obvious that the Humvee will tackle rough obstacles better then the Camry, and that the Plus/2 is louder and deeper then the EP500. Do you disagree?

I do. I based my opinion off measurements.

I am not saying the EP500 is junk. But compared to a Plus/2, physics becomes the reason for my opinion, not SPL.

SheepStar

 

[silversurfer]

I am not saying the EP500 is junk. But compared to a Plus/2, physics becomes the reason for my opinion, not SPL.

Physics as it relates to what?