Audioquest v. Monprice Comparison

killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
@killdozzer is cool but he has yet to adapt the wisdom found in this sage piece of dialogue.

Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be," — she always called me Elwood — "In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.

From the award winning movie, Harvey
It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read a book of quotations.
Winston Churchil


When a draft-headed person like yourself manages to tell me what I need to adapt (presumably meaning adopt), that will be the day.
 
eljr

eljr

Audioholic General
It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read a book of quotations.
Winston Churchil


When a draft-headed person like yourself manages to tell me what I need to adapt (presumably meaning adopt), that will be the day.
And today is the day!

chill out, I was just messing around

message boards sometimes don't adequately relay intent

(I like draft headed, never heard that before. as I am typing, the Red Sox just scored. Fuc%!)
 
killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
He's delivery seems angry,I just don't see the point.
I guess you meant His as in belonging to him? I'm guessing you used that same vast, profound and trained mind to come to a conclusion on cables as well.

My delivery was not angry at all. Not in the least. The strongest… I was mildly annoyed to read for the one “googletplexth” time this advocacy of cable snake-oil.
 
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Happygodavid

Enthusiast
Fun thread to read. :)

Here's my experience (and a question to follow).

Around 2011, I upgraded to the 1080p world with a Samsung plasma and an Integra DTR-40.1. I ordered a cheap HDMI cable from Amazon for my DVD player. It worked fine for a few weeks, then randomly, the screen would go black. I researched and read that the cable might be the issue, so I thought I'd experiment and bought another inexpensive HDMI cable from Best Buy (don't remember the brand) and an Audioquest Forest cable (both 3 ft). It was a night and day difference between the two. The colors on the screen were far more vibrant with the Audioquest. So, as I added more components (Apple TV, Xbox, etc.),I just kept buying Audioquest. They've been great, and I've never had issues.

Fast forward to now: I just made the leap to 4k and got an LG C8, an Apple TV 4K, and a Marantz SR6013. The ATV Chroma settings have a "Test Cable" feature, and it tells me "4:2:2 improves clarity, but requires high-speed cables." When I run the test, it says I need high-speed cables to get 4:2:2, and it switches the ATV back to 4:2:0. From said test and reading here, I know I need to upgrade to high-speed cables (certified, right?). Question: what are your guys' thoughts on getting Blue Jeans vs Audioquest? I have a buddy who works at Best Buy, and he can get me Audioquest for 50-75% off (wow at the markup). With all the new standards, the "Premium HDMI Cable" list, etc., is there going to be a difference between the two? My experience from years ago tells me that yes, there is a difference in picture quality between HDMI cables, so I'm wondering if that becomes a non-issue when we're talking about high-speed these days. Thanks for any suggestions.
 
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snakeeyes

Audioholic Ninja
The monoprice hdmi cables work well. No issues on my 4K runs using them.
 
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PBassTM

Audiophyte
You guys are way over my head, with this stuff, lol.

I'm just a Bass player who loves music and good movies. So I ordered some Monoprice HDMI cables. And a couple BJC HDMI.

So I have been reading a few threads to see people's experiences with monoprice HDMI cables.

I ordered these: Did I do good?

Monoprice Certified Premium High Speed HDMI Cable, 4K@60Hz, HDR, 18Gbps, 28AWG, YUV 4:4:4, 3ft, White

And...

Monoprice DynamicView Ultra 8K High Speed HDMI Cable, 48Gbps, 8K, Dynamic HDR, eARC, 3ft Black

And these BJC are next:
 
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PBassTM

Audiophyte
......the BJC Series-FE Belden Bonded-Pair HDMI Cables.

Very short runs. Nothing over 6 ft. Mostly I just needed 3 footers.

What you guys think? Did I do good?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
You guys are way over my head, with this stuff, lol.

I'm just a Bass player who loves music and good movies. So I ordered some Monoprice HDMI cables. And a couple BJC HDMI.

So I have been reading a few threads to see people's experiences with monoprice HDMI cables.

I ordered these: Did I do good?

Monoprice Certified Premium High Speed HDMI Cable, 4K@60Hz, HDR, 18Gbps, 28AWG, YUV 4:4:4, 3ft, White

And...

Monoprice DynamicView Ultra 8K High Speed HDMI Cable, 48Gbps, 8K, Dynamic HDR, eARC, 3ft Black

And these BJC are next:
......the BJC Series-FE Belden Bonded-Pair HDMI Cables.

Very short runs. Nothing over 6 ft. Mostly I just needed 3 footers.

What you guys think? Did I do good?
Somewhat depends on the capabilities of the gear you're connecting. ;They should handle most situations, tho.
 
RichB

RichB

Audioholic Field Marshall
The failure modes for intermittent cables include: Complete failure with no image, intermittent failures during handshaking, intermittent loss of video, sparklies.

I recently switched to Monoprice slim certified HDMI cables for all 6' and shorter interconnects:

I have had no problems and they are light-weight and don't put stress on connectors.

- Rich
 
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PBassTM

Audiophyte
Thanks, guys.

Right now, with my very modest players and TV. I'm just plugging directly into my LG BP175 Bluray player into an LG LED ( don't recall the model number, at this moment), and my LG UBK80 4K Bluray player....into the Vizio V505-G9 LED TV.

I want nothing to do with the Smart TV apps. Exclusively for Bluray discs, DVD and a few 4K Bluray discs.
 
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Otto Plyot

Junior Audioholic
At this point in time, if your cable run is under 25', then you can't really do any better than Premium High Speed HDMI cables because they are certified by an ATC (Authorized Testing Center) and come with a QR label of authenticity. Any mfr can submit their cables for ATC certification so they are not limited to a specific cable mfr. Monoprice, BJC, MediaBridge all offer Premium High Speed cables so you don't need to spend a ton of money on cables from someone like Monster or AudioQuest. That being said, there are no 100% guarantees that any cable will work with any system because the cable is just the data pipe. There are other factors involved in a successful cable connection. Just be mindful of bend radius and if your cable is installed in-wall make sure you use a conduit. The use of a conduit is the ONLY way to future proof your cabling.
 
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Otto Plyot

Junior Audioholic
You're welcome. For runs longer than 25', and if you want to eventually push 4k HDR, then a hybrid fiber cable (Ruipro is a good one to consider) is what you should look into. However they are expensive. ATC certification is only done on passive, copper-based cables. Not active cables. A hybrid fiber cable is an active cable.
 
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Otto Plyot

Junior Audioholic
As a followup to Ruipro cables, I recently tested some of their shorter lengths.

First of all, the use of a hybrid fiber cable at lengths <20' is a very expensive overkill. However, Ruipro graciously sent me some 2m (6') hybrid fiber cables (Ultra-Slim Active HDMI Optical) to test in a consumer setting. Thank you Ruipro.

It's been established by a lot of users on other forums who have long HDMI runs (>20') that the Ruipro hybrid fiber cable works as expected for 4k HDR (HDMI 2.0b) at long distances without issues. This simple test should demonstrate that the same is true for short lengths.

One of the questions that came up was concerning the reliability of active cables at short lengths (<20'). This is by no means a scientific test with sophisticated equipment, study protocols, etc. It's just a consumer in-home test that may help some who have "short" runs and are considering active fiber for future HTS upgrades. Hybrid fiber cables are not cheap, but if someone is building their HTS, or wants to upgrade their existing cables to thinner, more flexible cables that can hopefully handle future HDMI hardware upgrades, this may be useful.

Test system: LG 65 C8, ATV4k, LG UBK90 UHD/blu-ray player, Xfinity cable STB (legacy, 1080 only), and a Yamaha A-780 receiver. All devices are on their current firmware versions as of this writing. The system is hardwired. Optical cable from tv to receiver for Xfinity HDTV audio only. ARC/CEC disabled so no ARC testing, sorry guys. System is controlled by a Harmony 700 remote and is mounted on a media console.

Xfinity STB is connected directly to the 65 C8 via HDMI because of Deep Color incompatibility with the legacy STB. All other connections go thru the A-780 via HDMI. All current HDMI connections are with 4', BJC Premium High Speed HDMI cables (QR labeled for authenticity).

The Ruipro cables come in a nice looking, padded box, with some velcro ties, connector caps, and foam padding around the connectors. The connectors are thin, made out of metal, and can easily, and snugly, fit into tight places either vertically or horizontally, and are clearly labeled Display and Source. They come with a 2-year warranty.

6' was longer than I needed so all of the cables were looped around a couple of times and held in place with the included velcro ties. The cables were neatly organized, easily accessible, and there was zero strain on the HDMI inputs.

The cables are thoroughly tested by Ruipro to meet all HDMI 2.0b hardware specifications. Certification by an Authorized Testing Center (ATC, HDMI.org) is not possible because there are no standardized certification programs available yet, for active cables, whether they be copper only, fiber, or hybrid fiber. The cables are tested with an ATC authorized testing device, the SL-881 as well as the Mudideo HDR testing device, the Quantum Data 980 and other measuring equipment. eARC/VRR testing is currently in progress but the number of devices that are certified for eARC/VRR is limited at present. Ruipro is working on 48Gbps (HDMI 2.1) cables but HDMI.org has yet to release final CTS specifications for cables, and are just now allowing connectors to be submitted for testing.

Performance was the same as with the Premium High Speed HDMI cables (ATC certified). No issues at all with any source material, format, audio, or device. Hand-shaking seemed to be a bit faster but that could just be subjective. The ATV4k has an HDMI connection test for HDR and that passed easily. The cables are ARC compatible and I would suspect that they will work without issues. They are very well made, very flexible (generous bend radius), easy to install in tight places, and work without issues with the current HDMI hardware specifications. The slimness of the connector ends also makes them ideal for installing within conduits. The only downside that I can see is cost.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
You're welcome. For runs longer than 25', and if you want to eventually push 4k HDR, then a hybrid fiber cable (Ruipro is a good one to consider) is what you should look into. However they are expensive. ATC certification is only done on passive, copper-based cables. Not active cables. A hybrid fiber cable is an active cable.
Looks impressive and is not that expensive. Apparently it includes the converter to light in the cable plugs?
 
RichB

RichB

Audioholic Field Marshall
The HDMI connection to my is 15'.
Originally, all my connections are Monoprice certified cables but I also have a 6 meter cable that I got on sale form Amazon (with rebate) for $100.
I regularly swap them to test new Firmware for the Emotiva XMC-1 V3 (HDMI 2.0b) video board.

Occasionally, the Monoprice has been showing minor sparkles on startup when connected to the ATV4K input (DV 60Hz).
Strangely enough, changing inputs from the ATV4K to the TiVo (1080p) and back clears up the issue.
HDMI 2.0b added much more DDC communications and made the reliability worse.

After swapping back to the Ruipro, the sparklies are gone on direct startup into the ATV4K.

Both cables passback ARC without issues.

- Rich
 
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Otto Plyot

Junior Audioholic
Looks impressive and is not that expensive. Apparently it includes the converter to light in the cable plugs?
By converter to light I take you mean converting the optical signal to an HDMI signal? Yes, that's how all optical HDMI cables work. These are active cables so they draw some power from the sink end to power the chips in the connector end for error correction, timing, etc. The same as active copper-based cables.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
By converter to light I take you mean converting the optical signal to an HDMI signal? Yes, that's how all optical HDMI cables work. These are active cables so they draw some power from the sink end to power the chips in the connector end for error correction, timing, etc. The same as active copper-based cables.
So there are chips in both end connectors of a cable as you have to convert at both ends, right? Boy, small chips.
 
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Otto Plyot

Junior Audioholic
So there are chips in both end connectors of a cable as you have to convert at both ends, right? Boy, small chips.
Yes. That's what an active cable is. The idea is to increase the cable length beyond 25' which is currently the maximum certifiable length for passive cables. Works great for 1080i/p and even 4k (or faux 4k). With the advent of HDR and long cable runs, the electronics in the sink end need to do more so yeah, it is a small marvel of technology. Hybrid fiber cables have a small pure copper wire in them which takes over some of the bandwidth requirements for ARC, HDCP, and any other continuous communication the connection may need. That frees up more bandwidth for formats like HDR, DV, HDR10, etc.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Yes. That's what an active cable is. The idea is to increase the cable length beyond 25' which is currently the maximum certifiable length for passive cables. Works great for 1080i/p and even 4k (or faux 4k). With the advent of HDR and long cable runs, the electronics in the sink end need to do more so yeah, it is a small marvel of technology. Hybrid fiber cables have a small pure copper wire in them which takes over some of the bandwidth requirements for ARC, HDCP, and any other continuous communication the connection may need. That frees up more bandwidth for formats like HDR, DV, HDR10, etc.
You mean that fiber cable has a small copper strand along with the light beam or is that just between the insulation and fiber cable? That is what must be, not inside the fiber but outside. Of course.
Thanks.
 

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