Audio-Technica AT-LP1240-USB Professional DJ Turntable Preview

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Time_Stand_Stil

Junior Audioholic
nickboros,

Grabbing a track here and there.. Yes, that is what you can get with digital today. But you never get a story/theme of the album. You see when the LP came onto the scene by the 60's, artists especially by the late 60's realized "HEY! we have 20min per side." (unlike 45rpms with maybe 4-5 min per side) "We can now make stories/themes with our music on LP's." Sgt Peppers, Abbey Road, Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall, Days of Future Passed, Rumors, Paradise Theatre, Crime of The Century etc. Artists began writing music to fill 40 or so minutes of space and thus the LP was involving and often if they were good artists worth listening to.

In the Ipod/digital track world we are seeing it much like the 45 rpm disc days again, where artists seem to lack an ability to make enough convergent music to fill a whole album say at minimum 45-60 minutes worth but can crack of one or two tracks as singles. This is much of the music today and albums are filled with crappy filler tracks and fail to give us a theme just to get you to one or two good tracks... A real loss of enjoyment for a music listener.

Embrace recording time artists. Write music to fill out whole albums and to tell a story and give us a theme and guess what more people will want to sit and listen to each album's story/theme.
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
That's the problem with the ipod generation. There is so much more in music tahn the lame hits being put out today.
 
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Time_Stand_Stil

Junior Audioholic
One more thing ...

Tom and yes others have said that vinyl's problem is the L.P. degrades after each play. Well in one way a stylus does affect the vinyl after each tracing but it's not like the stylus is digging up the groove like a back hoe or Caterpillar tractor. I remember reading years ago that a typical L.P. on a typical but properly setup table will only show MINOR measurable differences on a scope after 100 or so plays. Minor means likely not really even noticeable to human hearing. 100 album plays is lot. Most vinyl users will likely not play a specific album 100 time over say 10 years or more. Sure some may prove that they have played an L.P. or two TO DEATH, but that is a rarity

Sure an improperly setup turntable may accelerate the degradation of typical vinyl but really it's not rocket science to set up a turntable. Tracking force will have the greatest affect on record wear, followed by a cartridge not properly aligned in the head shell. Both are not too hard to set up properly in general.

Anyways the argument that playing L.P.'s results in worse playback after each play is NOT TRUE! Vinyl has a memory to boot so it will reshape itself back a bit after each tracing. Yes, again play a disc say 100+ times and especially in quick succession and you will be able to measure on scope or computer monitor wear, but even at that you will not likely hear much a change. 300-500 times well maybe, sure you will hear the record wear affect. 300-500 plays likely will never be had on 99% of all L.P.'s ever made. I doubt even radio stations gave any particular discs that many plays when back in the vinyl spinning days. Even if they did play a disc a lot, they probably replaced it after 100 or so plays if they were especially an FM station that cared about its sound quality.
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
One more thing ...

Tom and yes others have said that vinyl's problem is the L.P. degrades after each play. Well in one way a stylus does affect the vinyl after each tracing but it's not like the stylus is digging up the groove like a back hoe or Caterpillar tractor. I remember reading years ago that a typical L.P. on a typical but properly setup table will only show MINOR measurable differences on a scope after 100 or so plays. Minor means likely not really even noticeable to human hearing. 100 album plays is lot. Most vinyl users will likely not play a specific album 100 time over say 10 years or more. Sure some may prove that they have played an L.P. or two TO DEATH, but that is a rarity

Sure an improperly setup turntable may accelerate the degradation of typical vinyl but really it's not rocket science to set up a turntable. Tracking force will have the greatest affect on record wear, followed by a cartridge not properly aligned in the head shell. Both are not too hard to set up properly in general.

Anyways the argument that playing L.P.'s results in worse playback after each play is NOT TRUE! Vinyl has a memory to boot so it will reshape itself back a bit after each tracing. Yes, again play a disc say 100+ times and especially in quick succession and you will be able to measure on scope or computer monitor wear, but even at that you will not likely hear much a change. 300-500 times well maybe, sure you will hear the record wear affect. 300-500 plays likely will never be had on 99% of all L.P.'s ever made. I doubt even radio stations gave any particular discs that many plays when back in the vinyl spinning days. Even if they did play a disc a lot, they probably replaced it after 100 or so plays if they were especially an FM station that cared about its sound quality.
My Led Zep collection has been played near 100 times as they are 31 years old and they still sound excellent with nary a tick or pop. Those were very well recorded albums IHO.
 
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ChrisL9472

Audioholic Intern
As I reflect back one the "old audio days", one of the things that annoyed me about the old turntable days was that your amplifier had to have a phono preamp onboard. Why didn't turntables have the preamp onboard in the first place so we could connect it to any free input?
If you were around in the old days, this shouldn't have been an issue because any receiver/amp worth it's salt would have had at least one phono input, some models had dual phono inputs.

What were you using, a transistor radio?
 
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ChrisL9472

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You just don't get it!

Nobody says vinyl will rule the day in terms of sales. Nobody says it won't remain just a niche. But as a niche in the years to come it will hold its place. It will likely outsell CD's in time as digital moves more and more to downloads.

I laugh at how in life all too many people speak of the death/demise of all too many things only to be proven wrong. They say the car killed the horse and buggy. YES! as a daily use item but horses are still being born and used by man along with buggies. Typically for touristy stuff but they did not go extinct. Blacksmiths still exist too.

Those who take the care and time to get into vinyl will understand it and will live to enjoy the sound and the way vinyl has you listen to music. Not all folks want to play 45-60 seconds of a track on an iPod or similar to then hit skip to listen to another track for 45-60 seconds and so on. Too bad for those types of listeners who skip to skip to skip tracks, they will miss out not only the ritual of vinyl but the simple pleasure of sitting back and listening to a side of an album, then flip it over for the second side.
I like and enjoy vinyl because of all the cheap, near mint classical LP's to be found out there, not to mention all the obscure stuff that may never see the light of day on an official CD release.

However, with few exceptions you won't see me plunking down $30 or more dollars for just for one new audiophile pressing. I can buy a multi-disc CD box at those prices.
 
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ChrisL9472

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Classical recordings for the most part are not issued on vinyl LP.
There were and still are a surprising number of new classical titles released on LP, more then you may realize. But with all these new and wonderful CD budget boxes coming out, it doesn't make sense to spend the money on these when one can buy the same CD title plus many other great works in one box.

This buying and collecting of new audiophile LP's is really a pursuit for the wealthy hobbyist.
 
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ChrisL9472

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That turntable is not a turntable for the domestic audio system. It is for Low-Fi DJ use.
These newer DJ TT's are useful for archival of historical recordings, as they often are able to play discs anywhere from 16 to 90rpms, which pretty much covers just about anything ever made except for vertically cut Pathe discs and 16inch radio transcriptions. Indeed, there is a TT from Rek-O-Kut which is essentially a modified Technics made for this very purpose Turntable Picture REK-O-KUT CVS-14

I saw one of these on display at a hi-fi shop a few years back. It was beautiful! Looked a lot nicer then that photo. I'd like to get one of these before they are gone. It's probably the only way one can still get a new Technics 1200 at a decent price (the one I saw was $675) except without the name and with much more interesting features! With Panasonic out of the 1200 business, Rek-O-Kut won't have a base for these which to work off of any longer. Whatever TT's are still out there unsold is probably all she wrote.

Good turntables are always manual. You don't want the arm pulling any mechanism.
DJ tables are always manual, the mechanisms for automatic playback would make it impossible for them to do what they do, unless you are referring to something else.

Good arms need to be strong with low resonance and have good damping. They are not S-shaped which adds mass where you don't need it.
That is a weakness with these TT's, but the arms on the better models don't sound half bad with a properly set up hi-fi cartridge. In the case of the Technics, there are mods to install high-end tone arms. Still, the ability to swap out the head shell for different ones set up with 78rpm/mono/stereo cartridges is a big plus to me. Also, some models (like my Numark) include a straight arm which is supposed to be better for DJ scratching and can be swapped out for the S-shaped one. In the case of DJ tables, the S-shaped arm is superior for playback according to the owners manual. But these are a special case.

Belt drive is fine, I have replaced the belt on my Thorens TD 150 once in 46 years!
With these direct drive tables, your also guaranteed to get spot on accuracy of speed/pitch, something not always trustworthy with some belt drives.

I'm not arguing that these types sound better in general then expensive dedicated audiophile TT's, but the better models from Technics, Stanton, Audio-Technica can be quite interesting and a lot of fun, but ONLY on a few higher end models. The cheap ones are appallingly bad.
 
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Time_Stand_Stil

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S, J, Straight, Linear arms... NONE OF IT MATTERS IN THE BIG PICTURE!

The tonearm that is well made will be one that performs well for the user. Each style of tonearm has its strengths and compromises but all generally fall into a medium mass ideal as virtually all consumer cartridges lie in the accepted medium mass range.

The most important thing for the user after buying a quality turntable will be to make sure the cartridge is properly mounted and set up for that table. Once done, enjoy the unit. Get and take good care of your LP's. Keep the stylus clean and go out and buy more vinyl.

Of course turntables have ranged and still today range from crappy junk to outstanding machines. Some brands are overrated and sold only on a name and a lot of brands have been and are underrated. Vintage tables can be fine quality machines if in good shape. New models can range from poor values, to good ones, to overrated, to being slap your head fantastic machines.

Finding good used vinyl is the toughest mission for a vinyl spinner. Most consumers as typical in life did not appreciate enough to take better care of their albums and often ran them on improperly set up tables or with poor, worn out cartridges. They often never really properly cleaned them nor stored them well when not in use.

Getting and caring for good used vinyl requires enough attention to appreciate it. Lots of good advice on the internet as to how and what ways to better take care of your LP's as well as your turntables.

Don't let some vinyl snobs out on the web etc. who often have overrated hearing ability and overrated ability to spot quality gear/stuff lead you down a garden path. Yes, stay away from cheap junk and worn out, beat up tables and cartridges. Once you do that set a realistic budget, read up, then shop for new and/or good vintage gear. You can and should find good to great stuff for most budgets.
 

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temy-dlya-vkontakte-muzyka vk10 ru/index html]òåìû äëÿ âêîíòàêòå ìóçûêà
firefox-ne-vosproizvoditsya-muzyka-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]firefox íå âîñïðîèçâîäèòñÿ ìóçûêà âêîíòàêòå
kachat-muzyku-vkontakte-skript vk10 ru/index html]êà÷àòü ìóçûêó âêîíòàêòå ñêðèïò
foto-devushek-s-sayta-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ôîòî äåâóøåê ñ ñàéòà âêîíòàêòå
dobavit-kommentarii-vkontakte-na-sayt vk10 ru/index html]äîáàâèòü êîììåíòàðèè âêîíòàêòå íà ñàéò
sayt-bot-dlya-tyuryagi-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ñàéò áîò äëÿ òþðÿãè âêîíòàêòå
bezopasnyy-sayt-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]áåçîïàñíûé ñàéò âêîíòàêòå
ukrainskiy-sayt-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]óêðàèíñêèé ñàéò âêîíòàêòå
dolgo-gruzitsya-sayt-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]äîëãî ãðóçèòñÿ ñàéò âêîíòàêòå
oficialnyy-sayt-programm-dlya-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]îôèöèàëüíûé ñàéò ïðîãðàìì äëÿ âêîíòàêòå
programma-dlya-skachivaniya-melodiy-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ïðîãðàììà äëÿ ñêà÷èâàíèÿ ìåëîäèé âêîíòàêòå
programma-dlya-vzlamyvaniya-vkontakte-onlayn vk10 ru/index html]ïðîãðàììà äëÿ âçëàìûâàíèÿ âêîíòàêòå îíëàéí
programma-dlya-razblokirovki-akkaunta-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ïðîãðàììà äëÿ ðàçáëîêèðîâêè àêêàóíòà âêîíòàêòå
programma-dlya-otpravki-kartinok-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ïðîãðàììà äëÿ îòïðàâêè êàðòèíîê âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-kak-vzlomat-znaya-mylo vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå êàê âçëîìàòü çíàÿ ìûëî
moya-taynaya-lyubov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ìîÿ òàéíàÿ ëþáîâü âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-vhod-ukraina vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå âõîä óêðàèíà
www-vkontakte-ru-dobro-pozhalovat vk10 ru/index html]www âêîíòàêòå ru äîáðî ïîæàëîâàòü
vyacheslav-malafeev-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]âÿ÷åñëàâ ìàëàôååâ âêîíòàêòå
em-si-donatello-putin-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ýì ñè äîíàòåëëî ïóòèí âêîíòàêòå
bratya-borisenko-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]áðàòüÿ áîðèñåíêî âêîíòàêòå
kak-razmestit-banner-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê ðàçìåñòèòü áàííåð âêîíòàêòå
fabrika-futbola-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ôàáðèêà ôóòáîëà âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-obyavleniya-ubrali vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå îáúÿâëåíèÿ óáðàëè
joy-club-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]joy club âêîíòàêòå
kak-otkryt-magazin-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê îòêðûòü ìàãàçèí âêîíòàêòå
kak-nachat-obshenie-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê íà÷àòü îáùåíèå âêîíòàêòå
vitya-kirillov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]âèòÿ êèðèëëîâ âêîíòàêòå
chto-oznachaet-begemot-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]÷òî îçíà÷àåò áåãåìîò âêîíòàêòå
firefox-vkontakte-ne-otkryvaet vk10 ru/index html]firefox âêîíòàêòå íå îòêðûâàåò
aska-s-vkontakte-na-telefon vk10 ru/index html]àñüêà ñ âêîíòàêòå íà òåëåôîí
maksimalnyy-razmer-avatara-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ìàêñèìàëüíûé ðàçìåð àâàòàðà âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-kontaktnaya-informaciya-icq vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå êîíòàêòíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ icq
amerikanskie-zvyozdy-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]àìåðèêàíñêèå çâ¸çäû âêîíòàêòå
ssylki-zvezd-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ññûëêè çâåçä âêîíòàêòå
vlad-baranov-vkontakte-novouralsk vk10 ru/index html]âëàä áàðàíîâ âêîíòàêòå íîâîóðàëüñê
vkontakte-vlad-trachuk vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå âëàä òðà÷óê
aska-s-podderzhkoy-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]àñüêà ñ ïîääåðæêîé âêîíòàêòå
icq-s-podderzhkoy-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]icq ñ ïîääåðæêîé âêîíòàêòå
kak-narisovat-mishku-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê íàðèñîâàòü ìèøêó âêîíòàêòå
chat-ruletka-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]÷àò ðóëåòêà âêîíòàêòå
razdacha-akk-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ðàçäà÷à àêê âêîíòàêòå
kak-vkontakte-ochistit-kesh vk10 ru/index html]êàê âêîíòàêòå î÷èñòèòü êýø
masha-malinovskaya-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ìàøà ìàëèíîâñêàÿ âêîíòàêòå
denis-rozhkov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]äåíèñ ðîæêîâ âêîíòàêòå
publichnyy-dom-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ïóáëè÷íûé äîì âêîíòàêòå
kak-smenit-stil-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê ñìåíèòü ñòèëü âêîíòàêòå
css-stili-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]css ñòèëè âêîíòàêòå
izmenenie-stilya-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]èçìåíåíèå ñòèëÿ âêîíòàêòå
uznat-pochtu-po-id-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]óçíàòü ïî÷òó ïî id âêîíòàêòå
kak-pisat-zhirnym-shriftom-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê ïèñàòü æèðíûì øðèôòîì âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-darya-bobko vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå äàðüÿ áîáêî
kak-vkontakte-prosmatrivat-fotki vk10 ru/index html]êàê âêîíòàêòå ïðîñìàòðèâàòü ôîòêè
svetlana-vinnik-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ñâåòëàíà âèííèê âêîíòàêòå
ivanova-svetlana-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]èâàíîâà ñâåòëàíà âêîíòàêòå
charles-boy-s-tenyu-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]charles áîé ñ òåíüþ âêîíòàêòå
boy-s-tenyu-bossy-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]áîé ñ òåíüþ áîññû âêîíòàêòå
nastoyashie-znamenitosti-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]íàñòîÿùèå çíàìåíèòîñòè âêîíòàêòå
shtab-vkontakte-adres vk10 ru/index html]øòàá âêîíòàêòå àäðåñ
planshet-dlya-risovaniya-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ïëàíøåò äëÿ ðèñîâàíèÿ âêîíòàêòå
klyovye-niki-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êë¸âûå íèêè âêîíòàêòå
gotovaya-viki-razmetka-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ãîòîâàÿ âèêè ðàçìåòêà âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-maya-stranichka vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå ìàÿ ñòðàíè÷êà
artem-ivanov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]àðòåì èâàíîâ âêîíòàêòå
google-chrome-ne-otkryvaet-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]google chrome íå îòêðûâàåò âêîíòàêòå
vzlomat-vkontakte-s-pomoshyu-cookies vk10 ru/index html]âçëîìàòü âêîíòàêòå ñ ïîìîùüþ cookies
vidzhet-vkontakte-na-rabochiy-stol vk10 ru/index html]âèäæåò âêîíòàêòå íà ðàáî÷èé ñòîë
sozdanie-magazina-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ñîçäàíèå ìàãàçèíà âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-lyubimaya-ferma vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå ëþáèìàÿ ôåðìà
kak-podpisatsya-na-novosti-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê ïîäïèñàòüñÿ íà íîâîñòè âêîíòàêòå
novosti-vkontakte-2011 vk10 ru/index html]íîâîñòè âêîíòàêòå 2011
ne-otobrazhayutsya-novosti-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]íå îòîáðàæàþòñÿ íîâîñòè âêîíòàêòå
aleksey-romanov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]àëåêñåé ðîìàíîâ âêîíòàêòå
aleksey-kuznecov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]àëåêñåé êóçíåöîâ âêîíòàêòå
nastoyashaya-mariya-kozhevnikova-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]íàñòîÿùàÿ ìàðèÿ êîæåâíèêîâà âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-semenova-ekaterina vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå ñåìåíîâà åêàòåðèíà
vkontakte-risunki-bukvami vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå ðèñóíêè áóêâàìè
povyshenie-vkontakte-mne-nravitsya vk10 ru/index html]ïîâûøåíèå âêîíòàêòå ìíå íðàâèòñÿ
vkontakte-prosit-deneg vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå ïðîñèò äåíåã
vkontakte-prosit-podtverdit vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå ïðîñèò ïîäòâåðäèòü
ne-igraet-audio-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]íå èãðàåò àóäèî âêîíòàêòå
wordpress-plagin-kommentarii-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]wordpress ïëàãèí êîììåíòàðèè âêîíòàêòå
opera-ne-gruzit-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]îïåðà íå ãðóçèò âêîíòàêòå
sergey-trekin-teatr-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ñåðãåé òðåêèí òåàòð âêîíòàêòå
sergey-trofimov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ñåðãåé òðîôèìîâ âêîíòàêòå
kravchenko-sergey-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êðàâ÷åíêî ñåðãåé âêîíòàêòå
kak-uvidet-reyting-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê óâèäåòü ðåéòèíã âêîíòàêòå
dlya-chego-nuzhen-reyting-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]äëÿ ÷åãî íóæåí ðåéòèíã âêîíòàêòå
kak-izmenit-aydi-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê èçìåíèòü àéäè âêîíòàêòå
vkontakte-kak-izmenit-avatar vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå êàê èçìåíèòü àâàòàð
kak-vkontakte-izmenit-ssylku vk10 ru/index html]êàê âêîíòàêòå èçìåíèòü ññûëêó
vkontakte-legenda-nasledie-drakonov-bagi vk10 ru/index html]âêîíòàêòå ëåãåíäà íàñëåäèå äðàêîíîâ áàãè
voynushka-vkontakte-bagi vk10 ru/index html]âîéíóøêà âêîíòàêòå áàãè
dikiy-zapad-vkontakte-bagi vk10 ru/index html]äèêèé çàïàä âêîíòàêòå áàãè
anna-kuzina-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]àííà êóçèíà âêîíòàêòå
ne-otkryvaetsya-ssylka-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]íå îòêðûâàåòñÿ ññûëêà âêîíòàêòå
gde-reyting-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ãäå ðåéòèíã âêîíòàêòå
kak-poluchit-podpischikov-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]êàê ïîëó÷èòü ïîäïèñ÷èêîâ âêîíòàêòå
smeshnye-avatarki-dlya-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]ñìåøíûå àâàòàðêè äëÿ âêîíòàêòå
bot-dlya-piara-vkontakte vk10 ru/index html]áîò äëÿ ïèàðà âêîíòàêòå
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