appropriate surge protector for Denon 8500 H

[Bruce53]

Since now invested in Monoprice M-215 and this AVR, I probably should get a really good surge suppressor to protect them...the Monster that I have is also 17 years old. What do you guys suggest?

 

[lovinthehd]

I'd suggest whole home surge protection. The power supplies in both units probably don't need much otherwise in general would be my guess. If you live in an area with severe electrical/lightning issues maybe something more than a typical surge protector strip/box in any case....

 

[Bruce53]

I'd suggest whole home surge protection. The power supplies in both units probably don't need much otherwise in general would be my guess. If you live in an area with severe electrical/lightning issues maybe something more than a typical surge protector strip/box in any case....

I had no intention of deploying the 8500 until moving into the new home. As fortune would see fit though, the left and right front channels of my V1400 both went out yesterday. Ugh. Im left with a center channel and surrounds. I know that it should have it's own 20 A circuit and all new circuit for everything. Haven't had any problems with lightning, but hate to worry about it....

 

[Verdinut]

I entirely agree with lovin about using a whole home surge protection. If you're not the house owner, then a good power conditioner such as the APC H15 would do the job:

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[lovinthehd]

I had no intention of deploying the 8500 until moving into the new home. As fortune would see fit though, the left and right front channels of my V1400 both went out yesterday. Ugh. Im left with a center channel and surrounds. I know that it should have it's own 20 A circuit and all new circuit for everything. Haven't had any problems with lightning, but hate to worry about it....

What's a V1400? It needs a 20A circuit? FWIW I've never used a power conditioner ever over the last 50 years or so of owning gear, don't see the point. I've got surge protection power strips but they've not had to do anything AFAICT. I've only lived a little bit in that time where lightning was an issue, tho I'd probably follow my grandpa's lead and if the storm is bad enough simply unplug gear from power. YMMV.

 

[Verdinut]

What's a V1400? It needs a 20A circuit? FWIW I've never used a power conditioner ever over the last 50 years or so of owning gear, don't see the point. I've got surge protection power strips but they've not had to do anything AFAICT. I've only lived a little bit in that time where lightning was an issue, tho I'd probably follow my grandpa's lead and if the storm is bad enough simply unplug gear from power. YMMV.

The advantage of a power conditioner such asthe APC H15 is that it does not contain varistors that blow up after several power surges and annul the surge protection feature on a typical ordinary power strip.

 

[lovinthehd]

The advantage of a power conditioner such asthe APC H15 is that it does not contain varistors that blow up after several power surges and annul the surge protection feature on a typical ordinary power strip.

That's sort of annoying about surge protection in that the description of type and spec is often obscured. At least the one you mention has an actual manual with specs, too https://download.schneider-electric.com/files?p_Doc_Ref=SPD_ASTE-6Z7V8X_EN

I suppose if you had a projector or other gear you want to control shut down time with for cooling of the projector bulb, etc....and a UPS is perhaps what might be needed as a safeguard to power issues.

 

[Verdinut]

That's sort of annoying about surge protection in that the description of type and spec is often obscured. At least the one you mention has an actual manual with specs, too https://download.schneider-electric.com/files?p_Doc_Ref=SPD_ASTE-6Z7V8X_EN

I suppose if you had a projector or other gear you want to control shut down time with for cooling of the projector bulb, etc....and a UPS is perhaps what might be needed as a safeguard to power issues.

I don't see any advantage with a UPS on an AV system. In my opinion, the UPS is only good on a computer when you don't want to loose a task that is not finished when the power goes out.
I don't know much about projectors but why would a projector bulb require time for cooling?

 

[lovinthehd]

I don't see any advantage with a UPS on an AV system. In my opinion, the UPS is only good on a computer when you don't want to loose a task that is not finished when the power goes out.
I don't know much about projectors but why would a projector bulb require time for cooling?

That's my understanding of typical projector bulbs, they need the fan to keep running in shutdown otherwise they're way too hot and can fail if power goes out (even explode!). UPS might have advantages, none I'd consider worthy, but I suppose that depends on your system for both av and automation?

 

[Ljutic]

ZeroSurge are nice


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[Bruce53]

What's a V1400? It needs a 20A circuit? FWIW I've never used a power conditioner ever over the last 50 years or so of owning gear, don't see the point. I've got surge protection power strips but they've not had to do anything AFAICT. I've only lived a little bit in that time where lightning was an issue, tho I'd probably follow my grandpa's lead and if the storm is bad enough simply unplug gear from power. YMMV.

It is a yamaha V1400. It does not need the 20 A circuit. Rather, the X8500H needs it, based upon review by Audioholics.

 

[Speedskater]

A long time ago, the home theater folks, decided that projector bulbs really didn't need a UPS. Not many new projectors with old style bulbs these days.
UPS's are handy for units that go thru a reboot process after a power lose.
Some pro equipment needs a UPS, because they make a nasty pop after a power lose.

 

[John Parks]

There is only one...

 

[John Parks]

Well, maybe two...

 

[John Parks]

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

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Is she afraid someone will steal her $10,000 Surge Protector?

 

[Pogre]

It is a yamaha V1400. It does not need the 20 A circuit. Rather, the X8500H needs it, based upon review by Audioholics.

Don't know about need, so much as recommended. I have a 1400 watt amp in my system without a dedicated 20 amp circuit and have never tripped a breaker. If you can tho, it's not a bad idea and does provide some stability.

 

[Bruce53]

There is only one...
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I should just buy some extrememly cheap speakers and protect them well!?!? lol

 

[Verdinut]

It is a yamaha V1400. It does not need the 20 A circuit. Rather, the X8500H needs it, based upon review by Audioholics.

Where did you read that for the X8500H ? No, it does not need a 20 amp circuit. In the specs published by Denon, it indicates a 900 watts consumption.
The manufacturer doesn't specify in which circumstance it draws 900w, I may be wrong but my guess is that this figure probably reflects the current drawn with all amps driven at 1/3 of their rated power with 8 ohm loads.
My calculation would indicate a power efficiency of around 70% which seems reasonable for Class AB amps. The possibility that all amps output 50 watts simultaneously is null unless you use the all channel stereo feature, and at 900 watts, you would still be far from the 2400 watts which a 20A circuit will allow.
Finally, if this AVR required a 20A circuit, it would have come with a special 20 amp power cord plug which is not the case.

 

[Bruce53]

I know very little. It was based upon the Audioholics review done around 9 months ago.