Aperion Audio Verus Surround Dipole/Bipole Speaker Preview

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The new Aperion Audio Verus Surround speaker shares the driver of the Forte line but the price of the Grand line. At $299 each, you're getting a switchable dipole/bipole speaker with two 4.25" woofers with coaxially mounted 1" tweeters. Ported with included wall mounts, the Verus Surround is rated down to 90Hz at -3dB and 80Hz at -6dB. Like all the Verus speakers, the Verus Surround sports a furniture-grade finish, acoustically transparent, magnetic grilles, and HDF construction. A 10 year warranty, free shipping, and lifetime technical support round out a speaker that is sure to interest more than one consumer.


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I have a pair here.

There is a switch for switching between Dipole/bipole. There is only the one port it resides on the opposite baffle from the switch.

As far as freq. response it's really good in bipole mode. Dipole mode is a different ordeal altogether. The speakers are crippled in this mode.

I haven't taken any measurements, however I can report what Audyssey Multeq XT32 found.

Audyssey set the crossover @ 40 Hz. in bipole setting. Dipole setting nets a crossover set by audyssey at 200 Hz. which is unusable for any sort of decent theater.

I may be using Aperions 30 day trial to replace these with another pair of the Versus Grand bookshelf speakers. The blend with the rest of the Verus Grand line is pretty good in bipole mode though.....
 
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I have a pair here.

There is a switch for switching between Dipole/bipole. There is only the one port it resides on the opposite baffle from the switch.

As far as freq. response it's really good in bipole mode. Dipole mode is a different ordeal altogether. The speakers are crippled in this mode.

I haven't taken any measurements, however I can report what Audyssey Multeq XT32 found.

Audyssey set the crossover @ 40 Hz. in bipole setting. Dipole setting nets a crossover set by audyssey at 200 Hz. which is unusable for any sort of decent theater.

I may be using Aperions 30 day trial to replace these with another pair of the Versus Grand bookshelf speakers. The blend with the rest of the Verus Grand line is pretty good in bipole mode though.....
NEVER trust Audyssey or any auto-room correction system to properly set crossover frequency for your speakers. Audyssey can't deal with a boundary gain of a speaker placed closely to a wall so it will assume the speaker is large and set a low crossover point. As for bipole vs dipole, the dipole setting puts the drivers out of phase to create a more diffuse soundfield. This again could be tricking Audyssey.

Try both settings with Audyssey disabled to see which you prefer. You may also want to consult with the manufacturer for more options and guidance.
 
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NEVER trust Audyssey or any auto-room correction system to properly set crossover frequency for your speakers. Audyssey can't deal with a boundary gain of a speaker placed closely to a wall so it will assume the speaker is large and set a low crossover point. As for bipole vs dipole, the dipole setting puts the drivers out of phase to create a more diffuse sound field. This again could be tricking Audyssey.

Try both settings with Audyssey disabled to see which you prefer. You may also want to consult with the manufacturer for more options and guidance.
I fully agree about not allowing Audyssey to chose the crossover points/speaker size. By default I reset the speaker sizes to "small" and choose an 80 Hz. crossover point.

While setting up the system I tried switching from bipole to dipole and was startled by the drop in bass. Enough so that when I finally got around to running Audyssey, I ran it a couple of times changing from bipole/dipole to see if it heard what I heard. The results seem to support this at least on the surface.

In the bipole setting this speaker is a treat to listen to. It blends with the Verus Grands surprisingly well considering it's diminutive size. I Am enjoying this speaker quite a bit with both multi-channel music and movies.

Switch to Dipole and it sounds as if only the tweeters are playing. I fear it may be due to the midrange drivers canceling each other out by sharing the same enclosure and port while being out of phase with each other.

I will contact Aperion soon about my experience, I wanted to give a fair amount of listening before calling them up.
 
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Hi Mr. Missile, hope you're having fun with our Verus surrounds. I would say Gene pretty much hit it on the nose: With dipole, there will always be a perceived cancellation of bass in the null position, which Audyssey is probably not reading correctly and therefore it is getting the bass xover points wrong as a result in both dipole and bipole modes (I mean, as good as we think the Verus surround is, there’s no way it can do 40 Hz bass in bipole mode—at least, not anything usable--leading to the boundary gain issue mentioned here as well). So, it sounds like these may simply be par-for-the-course Audyssey quirks when it comes to phase issues, boundary gain, etc.

So it sounds like they’re probably working as they should, especially from the null position, but here’s an easy test you can try at home: If you have a test tone disc or can download test tones from the web, try to play a bass test tone warble decay that's lower than 200Hz through the speakers and move about them/get close to them while they're playing: This way, you’re no longer in the bass null, and you can get a better idea of the speakers' lower end response, though you will always get less low end bass reach through dipole mode than bipole mode no matter what. I’ve tried that test here with our speakers, and I can get weaker (but still very usable) bass response down to 80Hz or so in dipole mode. If it really is not playing anything below 200, then it's possible they’re not working as they should, and you can certainly exchange them within your 30 days as we don’t want you to keep those speakers if they’re not working as they should. Thanks for choosing Aperion Audio, hope this helps, and let us know if we can be of any further assistance.
 
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I appreciate the replies and open discussion here. Says a lot of the character of the folks at Aperion, as well as your enthusiasm for your products.

I am pleased with these surrounds (in bipole),I was simply relating my experience with them in my room. I also agree that it could be a cancellation issue due to the out of phase nature of a dipole speaker.

Sounds like a great opportunity for an formal review by Audioholics!

As far as anyone else reading, this could be due to the speakers reaction to my room and placement YMMV. Also keep in mind I could be expecting too much due to just how stunningly good the rest of the Verus Grands are!:D
 
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Okay, I ran some sweeps and have found the following items to be true.

- While the sensitivity is way low in dipole mode, they're actually fairly linear right down to the 80hz. crossover point I'm using. (When placed PROPERLY in-room)

- I had an issue with the location of my equipment rack causing the sound to not reach the listening position correctly. The drivers that are supposed to fire to the rear of the room were instead reflecting off the side of my rack. Raising the surrounds a couple of inches allowed the sound to bounce off the walls and re-combine at the listening position with a much improved sound.

- I can be an idiot sometimes. :eek: The surrounds these replaced were much taller and cleared the rack in the same location.

- Trust your ears! I indeed had an an issue with the speakers in dipole mode, just not one the speakers were responsible for.

- If you are going to put your foot in your mouth, try not to step in anything beforehand.:D
 

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