aperion 6b bookshelves vs infinity p362 floors

[AJinFLA]

You can look at all the subjective reviews on Amazon, Crutchfield, here, etc., etc. on the Infinity, then look at the superlative measured data in Stereophile to confirm the correlation between physical reality and purely subjective perception.
Or you can pay attention to what one individuals perception, based solely on psychogenic maladies....and chose based on that.
Use your own intellectual capacity to decide for yourself, which seems more logical, reasonable, sensible and objective, to you. It's your money.

 

[just listening]

AJ:
You are such a complete piece of work. You obviously failed in your viewpoint with your personal attacks on me. Then, in your last post telling the OP to read customers comments about the 362's, you killed your own argument against subjective opinion. The fact is, 25+ years ago I was just like you, numbers and measurements, then I started to listen and realized it takes both measurements and ears.

I stated the value of measurements. I even have pointed out the good value of the 362's at the $400 price point (post #13). I'm betting you have, or did have the 362's, good for you. But do yourself a favor, if you want to experience good resolution at budget prices compare the Magnepan MMG, Totem Mites, Ascend Sierra 1's, Aperion 5T's, just to name a few.

I've been involved with audio for 37 years, and in my travels for my company, I've had the opportunity to sit in some of the best run, most honest brick & mortar audio shops around. By being up front with them about being just curious/not buying, I have developed many friendships and had the opportunity to hear thousands of different pieces of audio gear without the color of sales commision. Not to mention being able to put together some very nice systems via gently used trade-ins.

I've also been lucky enough to have conversations with some of the great minds in audio design. D'Appolito, Thiel, Bruzzese, Shaw, Pass, Kaye, etc.. They have all told me in various words, that the after all the measurements and science is done, the final work comes via ears, not microchips.

I've had enough of your limited audio experience, poor debating skills, and proof that the old adage "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing". In the meantime, I'm going to go listen to my Harbeth, CJ, Moscode rig.

Peace

 

[AJinFLA]

 

[pzaur]

but the aperions are so beautiful, do you really think I would be dissapointed running them for off of a 90 watt rms receiver, I man I don't plan on having a huge room any time soon, and if I did I would certainly beef up the power, I don't want to piss royally piss off my neighbors,

i would rather have a little higher quality at lower volume then ultra sensitive screamers as at least infinity's car audio components are rather bright

I really appreciate the feedback, minus the arguing, I really like getting the free unbiased information from you guys on here because I can't ask a shop and nobody else knows audio like people on here

so feel free to hit me up with some suggestions for what you would do in my shoes with like 300-500 bucks and coming out of college. I definatley will take anyfeedback I can im up to other suggestions

thx agin

I own the 533T in piano black and run them off a Yamaha 663. I have no lack of power for these things as well as the
533 Center.

-pat

 

[Matt34]

Just listening,

Everything you've stated is your own personal opinion about how the 362 sounds. Recommending a loudspeaker(while trashing another) over the internet based solely on ones sighted subjective preference is going to bring up debate, especially at a website with a motto such as ours.

http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html

The psychological biases in the sighted tests were sufficiently strong that listeners were largely unresponsive to real changes in sound quality caused by acoustical interactions between the loudspeaker, its position in the room, and the program material. In other words, if you want to obtain an accurate and reliable measure of how the audio product truly sounds, the listening test must be done blind.

http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html

There are clear visual correlations between listeners' loudspeaker preferences and the set of frequency graphs. Both trained and untrained listeners clearly preferred the loudspeakers with the flattest, smoothest and most extended frequency response curves...
It is both satisfying and reassuring to know that both trained and untrained listeners recognize and prefer accurate loudspeakers, and that the accuracy can be characterized with a set of comprehensive anechoic measurements

http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2008/12/part-3-relationship-between-loudspeaker.html

AJ,

You can take a two week break. Your netiquette is offending to many members here.

 

[GO-NAD!]

AJ,

You can take a two week break. Your netiquette is offending to many members here.

Gee, who saw that coming?

 

[3db]

Gee, who saw that coming?

Not me....oh wait.. I'm lying..

 

[Seth=L]

Gee, who saw that coming?

I figured sooner or later, surprised it too this long.

 

[krzywica]

I think all you guys need to shower Matt with chicklets for doing us all a favor....if I had to talk to that guy in person I would have Ralph Kramden'd him by now....

OP - I think you would be fine with the 6B's just as long as you are not playing them back at reference levels. You will still get a great ammount of detail at lower listening levels, while not getting the most out of the speakers they will still sound damn good amd much better than the 362's IMO. Not to say that the 362's are bad in any way but they are surely outclassed by pretty much anything from Aperion's current lineup. Again this is an opinion that is my own, just know I have heard both sets of speakers and would take the 6B's any day (I own a pair of 4B's).

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

First of all, I also own the P362.

Second, if you like a lot of bass (20Hz -3dB, 90dB @ 1 meter) in your music, you will need a subwoofer with both the Infinity and the Aperion.

If you like medium bass (40Hz), then the P362 is just fine.

I think the midrange and the treble on the P362 is very clear and smooth, although on the slightly "forward" or "in-your-face" or "bright" side. The imaging is also great (vocals centered). The bass is adequate to folks who only require about 40Hz bass.

I would compare the bass output of the P362 to the B&W 803D and Paradigm Studio 100.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

i don't want to derail this thread, but facts are facts, the P362 is a budget speaker with limited resolution.

This reminds me when I still had the NHT SuperZero ($90 ea) + SW2P Sub ($400) system and listened to 2.1 music.

On the Eagles Hell Freezes Over CD, Hotel California Track, towards the beginning of the song after all the drums started, the bass guitar (~ 60 Hz) starts to play.

The bass guitar sounded so distinct, detailed, loud, and clear to me - even when the drums were slamming hard and tight and shook the walls in my room!

I have not heard that moment in that exact song & CD with that bass guitar so distinctly and clearly with any other speakers I've listened to date!

And I've listened to the RBH T3/T2, B&W 800D/802D/803D, Revel M22 Performa monitor, Dali Euphonia MS5, Krell Resolution 1, MartinLogan Vantage, Paradigm Studio 100, & DefTech BP7000/7001.

Yesterday when I listened to the RBH T3/T2, the bass was shaking the walls, but I could barely hear that bass guitar in the background.

 

[just listening]

Matt:

I recognize the value of blind testing, IF properly done. However, in most cases too many variables are left in thus affecting the the overall scientific value of the experiment. Here are a few:

1. Speaker positioning: In many BT's the speakers are lined up side by side with not much room between them. This gives some speakers an advantage over others. Speaker place is critical for getting the best performance out of any speaker. One of the reasons for the Harman platter was to remove this variable.

2. Room Acoustics: From pics I have seen from BT's room acoustics are pretty poor. Once again giving advantage to some speakers over others. The AH Floorstanding Shootout of 2009 being an exception.

3. Seating Position of Testers: Most BT's don't give each listener the opportunity to judge from the "sweet spot". Off sweet spot performance is very important, but since a vast majority of audio hobbyists listen from the sweet spot this is critical IMHO.

4. The Curtain: As our host, Gene has found out, the curtain hiding the speakers can affect the performance of the speakers. The AH Floorstanding Shootout of 2009 mentions this and shows a measurement of the effect.

5. Listener Experience/Knowledge: Many BT's use a combination of hobbyists and non-hobbyists. The non-hobbyists have no idea what to listen for (Bose's favorite people) unless given some general education. The second issue that some BT's use music that is unfamiliar. If the listeners don't like the song negative attitudes and fatigue will affect judgement.

The scientific work of psychoacoustics is fascinating, and we owe a great debt to Dr. Toole and others for pursuing this science. In the end, if you love music the end goal for the listener isn't numbers, but escaping the world around you and getting lost in the music.

 

[Alex2507]

You can take a two week break.

No respect.

 

[PENG]

I recently developed a habit of not responding to the guy, no matter how tempted. The sad fact is, and I admit, I kind of agree with the points he made in his last couple of posts (even #18 to a point) but definitely not the way he made them.

 

[customstevo]

id still just like basic recommendations for speakers. Yes infinity's are obviously highly reguarded, but again I do have a subwoofer to handle the frequency's. im also a little worried about the infinitys being top heavy and getting knocked over at school. Infinity car audio speakers have a rep for being a little harsh and in your face, they also seem to be pretty sensitive.

With bookshelves, it seems I would have more placement options,I have stands yes I know that wont solve my top heavy problem. but again in this apartment i don't need the loudest speakers ever, and I have to upgrade amp/reciever soon anyway to get more power and or pre outs.

SO just some suggestions and feedback is all im looking for, with all the back and forth non sense I think a few sentences recomending a pair of speakers to join a sub in a college apartment under 500$ isnt too much to ask.

Yes i haved searched and read reviews and comparisons and Im sure i will decide for myself ultimatley but recomendations never hurt.

Thanks again to those helpin.

 

[PENG]

Infinity car audio speakers have a rep for being a little harsh and in your face, they also seem to be pretty sensitive.

That's just about my only issue with the 362, a little harsh (grainly), but that only bothers me if I listen to classical music with lots of strings, otherwise they sound great.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

...I kind of agree with the points he made in his last couple of posts (even #18 to a point) but definitely not the way he made them.

For the record, I like AJ.

I've learned some things from him.

I miss his posts already.

I hope he comes back in 2 weeks.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

That's just about my only issue with the 362, a little harsh (grainly), but that only bothers me if I listen to classical music with lots of strings, otherwise they sound great.

I have to agree that the Infinity P362 is kind of "forward" sounding.

They are not as "warm" sounding as some other speakers.

 

[Alex2507]

I have to agree that the Infinity P362 is kind of "forward" sounding.

They are not as "warm" sounding as some other speakers.

You need room treatments and probably some equalization.

 

[Seth=L]

You need room treatments and probably some equalization.

You're the first person I've seen that has a username that begins with an "A" that's suggested something like this. (not true, but present company).