Anyone heard of "Kingsound" electrostatic loudspeakers?

[stratman]

You're right Seth, this guy is going deaf, but doesn't know it yet.

 

[Tawnos]

Who said anything about listening to the speakers at those levels? If you want to purchase ML's go ahead and see what will go wrong, if you smoke at all inside you can not have ML's or any other exposed ESL speaker.

 

[cstpeter]

Smoke destroys a lot of things, not just Martin Logan speakers. You're really stretching now, aren't you?

Why such hate for Martin Logan? Have you ever objectively evaluated a pair of properly set-up Logans? I'm sure your answer will be something like, "Yeah, and I hated them!" So be it, but much of the stuff you're saying is false.

 

[richardlai]

I must say that Martin Logan has gone downhill in recent years. They just don't have the same "feel" anymore. The same goes with Quad.

But for whatever reason, I don't think the fact that these brands are manufactured in China contributes to the quality deterioration, since a lot of big brands nowadays put their production lines in China. What really affects the quality is the company's management.

Anyway, back to the original topic (!), I've found the website of Kingsound speakers: http://www.kingsaudio.com.hk/

Looks like they're brewing something large for the forthcoming CES. That "King & King" (weird name, huh?) looks stunning, and they seemed to have done a good job with the bass using just electrostatic panels. I'm definitely going to check this baby out!

 

[Tawnos]

Smoke destroys a lot of things, not just Martin Logan speakers. You're really stretching now, aren't you?

When it comes to ESL speaker smoke is poison.

Why such hate for Martin Logan? Have you ever objectively evaluated a pair of properly set-up Logans? I'm sure your answer will be something like, "Yeah, and I hated them!" So be it, but much of the stuff you're saying is false.

Ya I have two busted ML's in my basement.

 

[JoeE SP9]

If you were playing them at 115db that's probably why they are broke. If you haven't been playing them at that level how do you know what happens. FYI I smoke and my Acoustat ESL's work just fine and have done so for more than 8 years. Of course I've never attempted to play them or any thing else at 116db. Marilyn Manson would never be played in my digs anyway.

 

[Seth=L]

One pair of malfuntioning MLs isn't enough to make a fair judgement if a speaker company is bad or not. Have you spoken to Martin Logan's customer service about your speakers, or are you just going to let them rot?

 

[Tawnos]

FYI I smoke and my Acoustat ESL's work just fine and have done so for more than 8 years.

Are they covered or is the ESL panel exposed? If so you might want to have a look at the tar build up on the surface, over time you might not notice to decline in sound quality but if you put up a new pair in your room I bet there would be a big difference.

Of course I've never attempted to play them or any thing else at 116db. Marilyn Manson would never be played in my digs anyway.

You have the right to play what you want and don't want but try playing something that will stress and test you speakers.

One pair of malfuntioning MLs isn't enough to make a fair judgement if a speaker company is bad or not. Have you spoken to Martin Logan's customer service about your speakers, or are you just going to let them rot?

It is 2 pairs, you might want to look into how many people are having very simple problems with their ML's. Plus they are not selling well, just look at the big retailers that are selling them and why they have to put ML's on a huge sale up to 50% to get them out the door.

 

[Duettadude]

I havent heard of the mentioned ESL's, on the other note, one of my favorite speakers was the ML Sequel II's. Supurb speaker. Then I heard Apogees. Now I own Deutta II's that can hit 115 db, though I would not and have never tried to do that, it's far too loud.

 

[JoeE SP9]

Are they covered or is the ESL panel exposed? If so you might want to have a look at the tar build up on the surface, over time you might not notice to decline in sound quality but if you put up a new pair in your room I bet there would be a big difference.

All Acoustats have covers.

You have the right to play what you want and don't want but try playing something that will stress and test you speakers.

I listen to a wide variety of music and regularly attend live music concerts at the Kimmel center here in Phila. I regularly stress my system by playing music that has +100db peaks. That's plenty loud for me.

It is 2 pairs, you might want to look into how many people are having very simple problems with their ML's. Plus they are not selling well, just look at the big retailers that are selling them and why they have to put ML's on a huge sale up to 50% to get them out the door.

I have not heard of the kind of of problems you keep stressing. If you have 2 pair of ML's that are broken just what does ML have to say about them?

 

[Tawnos]

I have not heard of the kind of of problems you keep stressing. If you have 2 pair of ML's that are broken just what does ML have to say about them?

If you are out of country (USA) they can not do anything.

 

[JoeE SP9]

Are you saying you have a legally purchased product and you can't get service? I find it hard to believe that ML would not support their products.
Would you mind explaining just how you destroyed 2 pair of ML ESL's? Also would you mind giving the model name?
One last question, if you killed one pair why would you buy another?

 

[sleepysurf]

I've been lurking here quietly, biting my tongue (er,fingertips), as I've read Tawnos absurd comments. Yes, I am also another "ML Club" Member/owner (Summits, Aerius i's). I won't waste bandwidth defending ML products, as those of us whom own them are obviously happy with their sound and performance. However I MUST speak up in defense of ML's Service Dept, headed by Mr. Jim Powers, which is second to none in the industry (and probably most other industries as well). The entire ML Service Team goes waaaaaay above and beyond, in supporting their products (even if purchased used). ML speakers are designed with modular components, which are (fairly) easily repaired or replaced, if broken. If Tawnos called ML, they would have gladly worked with him to get him spare parts, or referred him for local repair. True, it may have cost a few $$ if out of warranty, but I've never heard of a legitimate ML owner not being offered stellar service/support.

 

[Tawnos]

Are you saying you have a legally purchased product and you can't get service? I find it hard to believe that ML would not support their products.

If you are out of country ML has service departments that they claim adequate and in canada they have 2, one in vancouver and one in quebec. The main point is that ML will not service your product out of country.

Would you mind explaining just how you destroyed 2 pair of ML ESL's? Also would you mind giving the model name?

Basic home theater use with a 200 watt amp and some 2CH, ascent and aeon.

One last question, if you killed one pair why would you buy another?

Bought both at the same time.

However I MUST speak up in defense of ML's Service Dept, headed by Mr. Jim Powers, which is second to none in the industry (and probably most other industries as well). The entire ML Service Team goes waaaaaay above and beyond, in supporting their products (even if purchased used).

ML seams decent if you live in the US, other then that they tell you sorry.

ML speakers are designed with modular components, which are (fairly) easily repaired or replaced, if broken.

That's because they brake at the drop of a hat.

 

[JoeE SP9]

Just where are you that ML will not service your speakers?

Is it impossible for you to ship them to an authorized service center?

If you don't want them I'll take them off your hands. I won't pay much. After all they are broken.

If you were using 200WPC to try and push those speakers to 116db it's probably amplifier clipping that blew your speakers.

I may be wrong on this but I don't think they were designed or spec'd to play that loud in the first place.

Tawnos, your comments and criticisms just don't ring true. There is more to this than you are telling. I don't own ML's but you put down all ESL's. That's why I spoke up. Personally I would only give up ESL's for Apogee's. Assuming I had sufficient power I still wouldn't play them at their rated 115db. I value my hearing.

 

[Seth=L]

If you were using 200WPC to try and push those speakers to 116db it's probably amplifier clipping that blew your speakers.

Indeed, underpowering is a far more common destroyer of speakers than overpowering.

I also think that you should sell them instead of letting them sit in your basement, put an auction up here.

 

[Tawnos]

Just where are you that ML will not service your speakers?

As I stated earlier if you live anywhere other then the USA ML can not do anything for you.

Is it impossible for you to ship them to an authorized service center?

In theory I can but I did not buy from them so I do not think it would work out.

If you were using 200WPC to try and push those speakers to 116db it's probably amplifier clipping that blew your speakers.

I was talking about theoretical peak out put of the summits, which would probably be 110 or lower in real world tests.

Tawnos, your comments and criticisms just don't ring true. There is more to this than you are telling. I don't own ML's but you put down all ESL's. That's why I spoke up.

I said that in my first comment and then retracted that for ML's only.

 

[Xsound]

Tawnos,
Are these "real" speakers, or "theoretical" speakers?

Do you actually live outside the USA, or is that just a mental "theory" kind'a thing? Like taking a mental vacation to the Bahamas.

This thread is sounding more & more like a troll thread. I have seen people ask legitimate questions to you comments and criticisms, only for you to offer incredibly vague responses that do not validate your statements. The only evidence you offer is 2 pairs of blown ML's that you refuse to try to get serviced.

I am not trying to bash or flame, but you are not contributing anything of substance to the discussion.

Oh, Yeah, I don't know anything about Kingsound ESL speakers. I do know that I really like the sound of Planar speakers, though I will probably never own any (lots of reasons).

 

[JoeE SP9]

Fess up and tell the truth!

Unless you acquired those ML's illegally there is no logical reason to leave them in your "basement" un-repaired. Even if you have to pay for repair that's better than having 2 pair of speakers wasting away in your "basement".

 

[Seth=L]

SELL YOUR ML SPEAKERS ON THIS FORUM, TAWNOS! If you have no ambition of repairing them then there is no sense in keeping them.