Another Disgrace from Gestapo USA.

[lovinthehd]

I'm Australian, and have cousins in the USA... But there is no way I am visiting during the current US Regime - I could find myself in detention for weeks before being deported - even with a pre-approved visa.
Not worth the risk.

Don't blame you a bit.

 

[dlaloum]

Fine. Then we start with Musk and all of his children.

The Gestapo never investigated Hitler for being a "Mischling"....

 

[mono-bloc]

I'm Australian, and have cousins in the USA..

I'm a proud Aussie, And very glad I live where I do. We don't have or want your political agenda. Our voting system is very different to your's
Voting here is compulsory, be it a small local council election, or a federal election. Fines are only $50. for the non-voter

By the way your country's economic system is deteriorating, you will soon be saying good buy to Walmart . E'-Bay Amazon and all the small
retailers who rely on Chinese imports According to news reports the Chinese are stock piling, all the exported goods until Tariffs are lifted

Trump has done a lot of damage to your economy in the last four months,, So what's it going to be like after four years ????

 

[TLS Guy]

I'm a proud Aussie, And very glad I live where I do. We don't have or want your political agenda. Our voting system is very different to your's
Voting here is compulsory, be it a small local council election, or a federal election. Fines are only $50. for the non-voter

By the way your country's economic system is deteriorating, you will soon be saying good buy to Walmart . E'-Bay Amazon and all the small
retailers who rely on Chinese imports According to news reports the Chinese are stock piling, all the exported goods until Tariffs are listed

Trump has done a lot of damage to your economy in the last four months,, So what's it going to be like after four years ????

It is not the political agenda but the system and the Constitution. The US is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The UK and its dominions have a Parliamentary Democracy, conceived in its "embryonic" form by Henry Plantagenet in the thirteenth century. After the second Civil war of the Cavaliers and roundheads instigated by Oliver Cromwell at the restoration under Charles II it rapidly evolved, and continues to do so.

Those Constitutional democracies have all come to grief pretty much at one time or another. The Parliamentary democracies of the UK and its Dominions have proved much more stable.

I fear the US democracy and rigid constitution has run its course and will end up on the ash bin of history like so many before and since.

I know this is radical, but I think the US would be much more stable moving to a Parliamentary democracy. We did assume English Common Law and not Roman Law after all. So we might as well go the "whole hog."

 

[dlaloum]

It is not the political agenda but the system and the Constitution. The US is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The UK and its dominions have a Parliamentary Democracy, conceived in its "embryonic" form by Henry Plantagenet in the thirteenth century. After the second Civil war of the Cavaliers and roundheads instigated by Oliver Cromwell at the restoration under Charles II it rapidly evolved, and continues to do so.

Those Constitutional democracies have all come to grief pretty much at one time or another. The Parliamentary democracies of the UK and its Dominions have proved much more stable.

I fear the US democracy and rigid constitution has run its course and will end up on the ash bin of history like so many before and since.

I know this is radical, but I think the US would be much more stable moving to a Parliamentary democracy. We did assume English Common Law and not Roman Law after all. So we might as well go the "whole hog."

France is on its 5th Republic, ie:5th constitution, having had a series of constitutional crises over the last 200+ years since its revolution (and a brief stint as a constitutional monarchy)... it might be time for a revamp in the US (!)

although the US system did have periodic amendments....

But the reason for revolution in the USA vs revolution in France were very very different.

The USA was conservatives unhappy with the management and taxation regime - so the constitution ended up (relatively) conservative... (as in: keep the status quo, don't change too much, the literal meaning of conservative)

The French revolution was more of a scrap it all and restart, build a new paradigm - which then had to be adjusted more substantively (although USA and France were clearly checking out each others homework!) - generating complete renewals 5 times over...

How dire will it need to get for the USA citizenry to get behind a completely new constitution?
Getting people behind even a constitutional amendment, would be a long hard trek... let alone a new constitution. Last major update/amendment was voting age in 1971... more than 50 years ago! - and that was a result of debates that kicked off in WWII... it really took it 30 years to get passed.

I expect there will be "blood in the streets" before this is sorted out.

 

[mono-bloc]

I am thinking that the USA population is simply running in a totally apathetic state. Most simply can't be bothered to lodge a vote .
Is there somewhere where it records the numbers of people voting against those that can't be bothered

 

[TLS Guy]

France is on its 5th Republic, ie:5th constitution, having had a series of constitutional crises over the last 200+ years since its revolution (and a brief stint as a constitutional monarchy)... it might be time for a revamp in the US (!)

although the US system did have periodic amendments....

But the reason for revolution in the USA vs revolution in France were very very different.

The USA was conservatives unhappy with the management and taxation regime - so the constitution ended up (relatively) conservative... (as in: keep the status quo, don't change too much, the literal meaning of conservative)

The French revolution was more of a scrap it all and restart, build a new paradigm - which then had to be adjusted more substantively (although USA and France were clearly checking out each others homework!) - generating complete renewals 5 times over...

How dire will it need to get for the USA citizenry to get behind a completely new constitution?
Getting people behind even a constitutional amendment, would be a long hard trek... let alone a new constitution. Last major update/amendment was voting age in 1971... more than 50 years ago! - and that was a result of debates that kicked off in WWII... it really took it 30 years to get passed.

I expect there will be "blood in the streets" before this is sorted out.

Blood in the streets is the worst and end run result of Constitutions of the type the US has. I fear the worst for the US, but predicting how and when is impossible and futile.

 

[highfigh]

I am thinking that the USA population is simply running in a totally apathetic state. Most simply can't be bothered to lodge a vote .
Is there somewhere where it records the numbers of people voting against those that can't be bothered

Not enough kids can be bothered to stay in school and learn what is needed to succeed in life, caused by not enough parents giving a poop. If you were to try to have a conversation or ask about simple things both groups should know, you would be absolutely appalled.

 

[highfigh]

It is not the political agenda but the system and the Constitution. The US is a Constitutional Federal Republic. The UK and its dominions have a Parliamentary Democracy, conceived in its "embryonic" form by Henry Plantagenet in the thirteenth century. After the second Civil war of the Cavaliers and roundheads instigated by Oliver Cromwell at the restoration under Charles II it rapidly evolved, and continues to do so.

Those Constitutional democracies have all come to grief pretty much at one time or another. The Parliamentary democracies of the UK and its Dominions have proved much more stable.

I fear the US democracy and rigid constitution has run its course and will end up on the ash bin of history like so many before and since.

I know this is radical, but I think the US would be much more stable moving to a Parliamentary democracy. We did assume English Common Law and not Roman Law after all. So we might as well go the "whole hog."

How many Civil wars should the US wage? Those seem to have been the most-used method of making sweeping changes through British history. Should we do that here, or just espect the members of government, which is disfunctional and the cause of the problems, to debate and correct the problems?

 

[Trell]

How many Civil wars should the US wage? Those seem to have been the most-used method of making sweeping changes through British history. Should we do that here, or just espect the members of government, which is disfunctional and the cause of the problems, to debate and correct the problems?

From an European historical perspective it's much more complicated than that.

 

[Trell]

Not enough kids can be bothered to stay in school and learn what is needed to succeed in life, caused by not enough parents giving a poop. If you were to try to have a conversation or ask about simple things both groups should know, you would be absolutely appalled.

The following post comes to mind as an example:

Another Disgrace from Gestapo USA.

I'm Australian, and have cousins in the USA... But there is no way I am visiting during the current US Regime - I could find myself in detention for weeks before being deported - even with a pre-approved visa. Not worth the risk. Don't blame you a bit.

forums.audioholics.com

 

[Trell]

The Gestapo never investigated Hitler for being a "Mischling"....

That is too subtle. Perhaps the US term "carpetbagger" is similar enough?

You know this, of course! Hitler was born in Austria and had that citizenship, stateless for about a decade (I forgot that, really), and then German citizenship from 1932. I'm sure that was part of my public education.

 

[GO-NAD!]

How many Civil wars should the US wage? Those seem to have been the most-used method of making sweeping changes through British history. Should we do that here, or just espect the members of government, which is disfunctional and the cause of the problems, to debate and correct the problems?

Some of the most profound political reform in Great Britain did not require bloodshed to achieve.
Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey - Wikipedia

 

[GO-NAD!]

France is on its 5th Republic, ie:5th constitution, having had a series of constitutional crises over the last 200+ years since its revolution (and a brief stint as a constitutional monarchy)... it might be time for a revamp in the US (!)

although the US system did have periodic amendments....

But the reason for revolution in the USA vs revolution in France were very very different.

The USA was conservatives unhappy with the management and taxation regime - so the constitution ended up (relatively) conservative... (as in: keep the status quo, don't change too much, the literal meaning of conservative)

The French revolution was more of a scrap it all and restart, build a new paradigm - which then had to be adjusted more substantively (although USA and France were clearly checking out each others homework!) - generating complete renewals 5 times over...

How dire will it need to get for the USA citizenry to get behind a completely new constitution?
Getting people behind even a constitutional amendment, would be a long hard trek... let alone a new constitution. Last major update/amendment was voting age in 1971... more than 50 years ago! - and that was a result of debates that kicked off in WWII... it really took it 30 years to get passed.

I expect there will be "blood in the streets" before this is sorted out.

In the end, a constitution - any constitution - is only as good as the willingness of those in power to adhere to it's contents.

 

[Trell]

Some of the most profound political reform in Great Britain did not require bloodshed to achieve.
Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey - Wikipedia

For Norway that Napoleon had his "setback" in 1814 was a gift from God. Before that we were an actual part of Denmark, but in 1814 we tried to be our own country and failed. Sadly. So we became the property of the Swedish king (after a short war) but not part of Sweden as such. The latter part was essential in 1905 when we seceded.

 

[Trell]

In the end, a constitution - any constitution - is only as good as the willingness of those in power to adhere to it's contents.

It's so weird of those "law & order Republicans" missing just this.

 

[Mr._Clark]

A little over a week ago, the DOJ suspended the lawyer who had been arguing the case

>>>Under questioning by a federal judge on Friday, Mr. Reuveni conceded that the deportation last month of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, who had a court order allowing him to stay in the United States, should never have taken place. . . . Mr. Reuveni, a respected 15-year veteran of the immigration division, asked the judge for 24 hours to persuade his “client,” the Trump administration, to begin the process of retrieving and repatriating Mr. Abrego Garcia.

Less than 24 hours later, Mr. Blanche, President Trump’s former criminal defense lawyer, accused Mr. Reuveni of “engaging in conduct prejudicial to your client.” Mr. Blanche suspended Mr. Reuveni with pay, cut off access to his work email and blocked him from performing any duties related to his job.<<<

Justice Dept. Accuses Top Immigration Lawyer of Failing to Follow Orders

Erez Reuveni conceded in court that the deportation last month of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, who had a court order allowing him to stay in the United States, should never have taken place.

www.nytimes.com

In short, Mr. Reuveni told the truth. This is a mortal sin in the Trump administration.

The administration is clearly trying to establish a precedent whereby they can, with impunity, deport almost anyone for any reason, then claim the government is powerless to do anything if a deportation violates the law.

Bondi is now openly defying the U.S. Supreme Court.

>>>Attorney General Pam Bondi said the Trump administration failed to take “one extra step of paperwork” before it mistakenly deported a Maryland man, adding that nonetheless Kilmar Abrego Garcia is “not coming back to our country.”

The comments were the latest example of officials under President Trump digging in despite a Supreme Court order requiring them to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s return.<<<

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5251491-pam-bondi-kilmar-abrego-garcia-return/

In contrast, in 2018 the Trump Administration took immediate action to find and return a man who had been mistakenly deported.

>>>In Mr. Subaihani’s case, the government recognized its error to the federal court, setting off a monthslong odyssey to track down and retrieve a man who never should have been deported in the first place.<<<

Trump Says He’s Powerless to Return Deported Migrant. But He’s Done So Before.

President Trump says he is powerless to retrieve a man who was deported because of an administrative error. But he has done so before.

www.nytimes.com

Trump has now apparently concluded that laws (including the U.S. Constitution) are for little people.

 

[Trell]

Bondi is now openly defying the U.S. Supreme Court.

>>>Attorney General Pam Bondi said the Trump administration failed to take “one extra step of paperwork” before it mistakenly deported a Maryland man, adding that nonetheless Kilmar Abrego Garcia is “not coming back to our country.”

The comments were the latest example of officials under President Trump digging in despite a Supreme Court order requiring them to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s return.<<<

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5251491-pam-bondi-kilmar-abrego-garcia-return/

In contrast, in 2018 the Trump Administration took immediate action to find and return a man who had been mistakenly deported.

>>>In Mr. Subaihani’s case, the government recognized its error to the federal court, setting off a monthslong odyssey to track down and retrieve a man who never should have been deported in the first place.<<<

Trump Says He’s Powerless to Return Deported Migrant. But He’s Done So Before.

President Trump says he is powerless to retrieve a man who was deported because of an administrative error. But he has done so before.

www.nytimes.com

Trump has now apparently concluded that laws (including the U.S. Constitution) are for little people.

And here we are with our predictions if Trump got elected to be President yet again. We were right and then some, sadly.

 

[TLS Guy]

How many Civil wars should the US wage? Those seem to have been the most-used method of making sweeping changes through British history. Should we do that here, or just espect the members of government, which is disfunctional and the cause of the problems, to debate and correct the problems?

Actually the British have only had two civil wars since the Norman Conquest of 1066.

The first was the Wars of the Roses, between the houses of Lancaster and York form 1455 to 1485.

The other was the war between the Roundheads and Cavaliers. The former were Cromwell's insurrectionists and the Cavaliers the Kings men, between 1642 and 1641.

Cromwell in many ways was somewhat like Trump. Cromwell was the classic dictator. Cromwell made no provision for his succession until he was near death. He named his son Richard, who farmed in Essex North of the Thames.

On Cromwell's death riders rode at speed to Essex. This whole farce intended when Richard said he had no interest in ruling England, and said he wanted to continue growing cucumbers in Essex! So the cry went up that "the king should enjoy his own."

Charles I, had been executed by Cromwell, and Charles II returned from exile in France. He was known as 'Goodtime Charlie'. That really was the starting gun for the English Renaissance. Cromwell's men were religious puritans and not at all popular after these events. They emigrated to America and are in many ways responsible for making America what it is. This is the root of the puritan streak that has, and continues to shoot through, and bedevil American politics.

 

[Trell]

Actually the British have only had two civil wars since the Norman Conquest of 1066.

The first was the Wars of the Roses, between the houses of Lancaster and York form 1455 to 1485.

The other was the war between the Roundheads and Cavaliers. The former were Cromwell's insurrectionists and the Cavaliers the Kings men, between 1642 and 1641.

Cromwell in many ways was somewhat like Trump. Cromwell was the classic dictator. Cromwell made no provision for his succession until he was near death. He named his son Richard, who farmed in Essex North of the Thames.

On Cromwell's death riders rode at speed to Essex. This whole farce intended when Richard said he had no interest in ruling England, and said he wanted to continue growing cucumbers in Essex! So the cry went up that "the king should enjoy his own."

Charles I, had been executed by Cromwell, and Charles II returned from exile in France. He was known as 'Goodtime Charlie'. That really was the starting gun for the English Renaissance. Cromwell's men were religious puritans and not at all popular after these events. They emigrated to America and are in many ways responsible for making America what it is. This is the root of the puritan streak that has, and continues to shoot through, and bedevil American politics.

And US tried their hardest to genocide the indigenous population in various waves, but hey, that is not "civil war".

Good grief.