Andrew Robinson: Only Positive Coverage to Save the AV Industry (Agree/Disagree)?

Only Positive Coverage Should be Given to Save the AV Industry (Agree/Disagree)?

  • Agree

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Disagree

    Votes: 37 97.4%

  • Total voters
    38
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
Greetings Forum Members,

I realize I'm a visitor in your house, so thank you. I appreciate Gene opening this discussion up to you and this forum, however, I believe my larger point may be misinterpreted. I do not believe all AV coverage going forward needs to be purely positive as the title of this thread would have you believe. I just believe that one should not, or at least try hard not to, pass judgement, good or bad, prematurely. Gene and the staff at Audioholics are smart, capable people who obviously know their stuff, however, that doesn't excuse the fact that no one on the Audioholics staff has heard Dolby Atmos in the home, for themselves. And still they persist on drawing a great many conclusions without having first-hand knowledge or experience on the subject. Had Audioholics or Gene himself demoed Atmos first and come away disliking it, then I would take no issue with any criticism, jab or whatnot that he cared to lob in Dolby's direction. But to lob based on no first-hand experience is, in my opinion, irresponsible. And Gene is not alone, all publications do this from time to time, even I have done it in my 10 plus years working in and around this industry. It's human nature to a certain extent. This was the point I was trying to make in my article, for it is this type of reporting or pot-stirring that can, over time, damage the hobby.

If any of you have questions, comments or concerns and would like to share those with me here on this forum, I'm open to any and all discussion. Thanks for your time and consideration.

Andrew
<!--[if gte mso 9]><![endif]--> Hi Andrew, welcome to our forums. I believe your larger point is a bit more than you're leading people to believe. The fact that your website clearly doesn't make revenues off banner ads b/c your site can't generate enough traffic to produce appreciable impressions is obvious. Yet the crux of your article singles my site out as writing controversial content to increase our traffic to sell more ad impressions. If you really understood SEO then you’d know that is not the case. My site generates a lot of impressions b/c we do a great job with SEO, we update the site regularly, we have staying power (been online for over 15 years) and our content is not regurgitated press releases (thus avoiding duplicate content penalties). We put forth a lot of time and effort in making a content rich site that is frequently updated and shared around the industry as a reference.


What I find interesting is back when you worked for HTR as Managing Editor and their site owner was bashing us for our Lexicon report, you sat back in idle even though you knew our reporting was 100% accurate. I was told by several industry insiders that you were a hired marketing guy to produce positive press for manufacturers via reviews and videos. At the time I didn’t know you and didn’t think much of it. Even when you were writing positive reviews for Sherbourn and not disclosing that Sherbourn was owned by Emotiva until people at AVS Forum called you out on it, I reserved judgment about you.


However when you published this recent article basically saying negative / skeptical reporting is hurting a fragile and shrinking industry. It gave me pause. The fact that you sent this article to manufacturers that produce Atmos equipment gives me further pause. How am I not to conclude your intentions are to hurt our relations with manufacturers? One of the sources that lead me to your article even had suspicions you wrote it for that very reason.


Yes I poked a little fun at the Atmos speaker in our first video. At the time Dolby didn’t reveal their HRTF DSP Algo or HPF required for the module. So I did an update video to discuss and several articles since.


In fact in about a week I will be publishing a pretty compelling article about the Atmos speaker. Am I a skeptic? You bet. I don’t need to hear something to know there will be issues with it based on provable physics just like I don’t need to hear a cable with a battery slapped on it to know it’s bogus. The Atmos speaker will have its own set of issues just like anything else. The fact that Dolby has a patent on it and is charging licensing fees to manufacturers is something that concerns me, especially since it will likely NOT be compatible with other next generation surround formats. However, as I said in the first video, I reserve final judgment until I get samples in to test and review.


The main focus of our CEDIA reporting this year will be on Atmos and Atmos related products. It’s unfortunate you just assumed we shot a couple of videos damning the tech and planned to move on. That is NOT the case. I am ALL for Atmos and competing next Gen surround formats if they are done correctly.


In fact, we’ve recently released a couple of very positive articles on Atmos as seen here:


4 Ways Dolby Atmos Can Gain Consumer Appeal | Audioholics

5 Reasons Why Dolby Atmos Will Succeed | Audioholics

I allow all opinions of our writers to be voiced on my site. I don't write articles and reviews to generate more sales for manufacturers. I write them to learn about the products and hopefully educate consumers in a real and useful way so they can determine if the products meet their needs. Do I make mistakes? You betcha. But try to accurately report to the best of my ability, allowing manufacturers to do tech peer reviews of our content before it goes live. Very few people in the press give manufacturers that courtesy.


<!--[if gte mso 9]><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <![endif]-->So if you feel the industry is so fragile and needs only positive coverage, then by all means continue doing so. Just don’t lecture me on how I should run my website as if you live by some higher moral standard.
 
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Andrew Robinson

Andrew Robinson

Audiophyte
That guy looks like a *****, and talks like a smug *******. So, all makes sense in the Universe.
Dear sir,

You don't even know me. I joined this forum with the intent of engaging is civil discourse with all of you about a topic many of you, including Gene, feel strongly about. While my initial article was not written with the intent to pick a fight, it appears to a certain degree that is what has happened. That being said, I am not running from the topic, and I've joined the Audioholics forum to answer any and all questions, or criticisms you or anyone at Audioholics may have. Not sure why you felt the need to call me such an ugly name (not once, but multiple times), never the less I suppose you're entitled to. Regardless I have passed no judgement upon you, and I would ask, or hope for the same in return.

Andrew
 
M

MidnightSensi2

Audioholic Chief
Greetings Forum Members,

I realize I'm a visitor in your house, so thank you. I appreciate Gene opening this discussion up to you and this forum, however, I believe my larger point may be misinterpreted. I do not believe all AV coverage going forward needs to be purely positive as the title of this thread would have you believe. I just believe that one should not, or at least try hard not to, pass judgement, good or bad, prematurely. Gene and the staff at Audioholics are smart, capable people who obviously know their stuff, however, that doesn't excuse the fact that no one on the Audioholics staff has heard Dolby Atmos in the home, for themselves. And still they persist on drawing a great many conclusions without having first-hand knowledge or experience on the subject. Had Audioholics or Gene himself demoed Atmos first and come away disliking it, then I would take no issue with any criticism, jab or whatnot that he cared to lob in Dolby's direction. But to lob based on no first-hand experience is, in my opinion, irresponsible. And Gene is not alone, all publications do this from time to time, even I have done it in my 10 plus years working in and around this industry. It's human nature to a certain extent. This was the point I was trying to make in my article, for it is this type of reporting or pot-stirring that can, over time, damage the hobby.

If any of you have questions, comments or concerns and would like to share those with me here on this forum, I'm open to any and all discussion. Thanks for your time and consideration.

Andrew
I'm pretty open to criticize Audioholics on things I disagree with. Their article was an editorial, by one writer, and pointed out some valid concerns based on physics and what we know about acoustics.

Were there some jokes? Sure. I mean, the elephant in the living room is that bouncing sound waves off the ceiling may yield very different acoustic results depending on the construction and materials, not to mention obvious issues in the time domain. Homes are a lot smaller than theaters. There is a lot to be skeptical about with Atmos. I'm surprised that there isn't more skepticism after the historical results of new technologies lately.

Stirring the pot will save the hobby before destroying it. This is a hobby that needs to be controlled and watched, because with marketing at the forefront, we're approaching some pretty snake-oil type stuff.

Should they have stirred the pot about cables? Yes. I can't imagine how much that has saved people.
Should they have stirred the pot about Lexicon? Yes. Save an order of magnitude on your blu-ray player.. think that was legit.
Are there pots stirred that probably didn't need to be? Maybe, but, what's the downside? Defending a product can really solidify its worth.

For how long ago it was announced, Dolby, or someone in the industry, should be fighting to get Audioholics something to review.

Finally, this is a community based site with a culture of looking for high quality, quantifiable results, and value. Once Atmos is in hands, it'll get dissected and judged on its merits. There will be different opinions, and we might even bicker about it.

The Atmos article was only rare in one thing: The forum members are basically all skeptics of the technology, versus typically there is a distribution. But that goes back to the culture of the site.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Dear sir,

You don't even know me. I joined this forum with the intent of engaging is civil discourse with all of you about a topic many of you, including Gene, feel strongly about. While my initial article was not written with the intent to pick a fight, it appears to a certain degree that is what has happened. That being said, I am not running from the topic, and I've joined the Audioholics forum to answer any and all questions, or criticisms you or anyone at Audioholics may have. Not sure why you felt the need to call me such an ugly name (not once, but multiple times), never the less I suppose you're entitled to. Regardless I have passed no judgement upon you, and I would ask, or hope for the same in return.

Andrew
Let's think positive. :D

I think Gene and others are just trying to HELP Dolby IMPROVE Atmos.

Dolby should heed the advices and critiques and improve Atmos.

That is what DTS is doing right now - taking in all the advices and critiques about Atmos. Then DTS will perfect DTS-UHD.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
BTW as part of our "Anti-Atmos" campaign, we just uploaded a video on tips to prewiring your Home Theater were we discuss using 14/4 speaker cable in case you want to add Atmos Elevation speakers.

[video=youtube_share;qlShGXe9AqU]http://youtu.be/qlShGXe9AqU[/video]
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
From Andrews article Biting the Hand That Feeds – How AV Reporting Is Damaging the Specialty AV Industry | ARC Cinema

" The specialty AV market isn’t growing, it’s shrinking, so every new and exciting development it (the industry) can offer needs to stick to a certain degree if we want this hobby to survive. And yet, through sensationalist reporting, the industry finds itself more fragmented than ever."

So to a certain degree, no doubt Andrew wants all positive reviews , in other words stretch the truth, lie a little to promote the product after all this is America, right where we do have free speech and the right to offer opinions. The market is shrinking, sure but its not the fault of internet forums or comments made by internet forum posters, its shrinking because the of music today or should I say, the compressed music of today is generated for the billions that download music into their portable devices. The music of today is directed at the younger listeners which represent the masses using ipods type devices and smart phones who continue to down music from itunes and Amazon while listening to their music on headphones/ear buds.

But, the biggest reason for the decline of high end audio is the death of the buyers which caused the reduction or the death of your local "stereo shops" throughout this country. I read this " I think what we're seeing isn't the death of the audiophile. Rather, lifestyle, necessity, and practicality are catalysts transforming the traditional definition of the audiophile from a fixed stereo system to a more portable experience."

Before you start jumping on a internet audio site, how about you begin by changing the direction of how music is provided, the overall quality of the music and then attempt to turn those billions of listeners of portable downloaded music devices into the set at home music and movie people.


Atmos : In the cinema, Dolby Atmos relies on a combination of 9.1 “bed” channels and up to 118 simultaneous sound objects to deliver an enveloping sound scene. So for the home Dolby tells us " You’ll get the best sound if your ceiling is flat (not vaulted or angled) and made of an acoustically reflective material, such as drywall, plaster, concrete, or wood. Dolby designed the technology for rooms with ceiling heights of 8 to 9 feet (2.4 to 2.7 meters ), but testing indicates that you can still hear incredible Dolby Atmos sound in rooms with ceilings as high as 14 feet (4.3 meters), though the effect may become more diffuse in rooms with higher ceilings. And we are going to attempt to replicate this for home use with bouncing sound to a spot on the ceiling to a dedicated listening position. Oh please I can see it now, please don't move you might miss the experience of ATMOS. I have heard ATMOS at two theaters and liked it, but we are talking massive arrays of speakers in a really large theater environment. But for a person's normal little wide open family room full of windows, loveseats, chairs ,tables, lamps trayed and vaulted ceilings I just can't see it providing the experience a person will get at a true ATMS theater.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-atmos/dolby-atmos-next-generation-audio-for-cinema-white-paper.pdf
http://cdn-blog.dolby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Dolby-Atmos-for-the-Home-Theater.pdf
http://cdn-blog.dolby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Dolby-Atmos-Enabled-Speaker-Technology.pdf


But to be fair, I say lets just wait and see if these home ATMOS speakers work, like anything new, adjustments in software, hardware revisions will take place, but I like to support opinions on any new product but to indicate the audio industry is shrinking due to opinions on a forum is BS and you know it.

AcuDefTechGuy is spot on,
Dolby should heed the advices made and improve Atmos.
 
H

herbu

Audioholic Samurai
It seems to me most of the debate has been about the science of Atmos. That's fair. Scientists and engineers draw from the same set of facts, and reach different conclusions. The debate is healthy and revealing. Unfortunately, some personal innuendo has invaded the scientific debate. It's a shame... human nature, but a shame. To me it's quite entertaining to see debate about the theoretical, then discover what actual implementation proves to me. Maybe it proves something different to you, but such is the lot of an audioholic. ;)
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
BTW there is a spirited debate on our Facebook page on this topic at: facebook.com/audioholics

Here is a screen shot of a few of the comments.
 

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Andrew Robinson

Andrew Robinson

Audiophyte
Gene,

Thank you for welcoming me to your site, I'm not here to get into a war of words with you. If you will allow me to clear up a couple of misconceptions that you have about me, or what I've done.

1.) My site not making money off banner ads has nothing to do with my traffic or lack thereof. I've run banners before, I even been approached to run banners, but I've come to the conclusion that they simply don't work.

For the record, when I've run banners -paid or unpaid -I've never done any tracking of their impressions or clicks, again, not because my site doesn't generate traffic, but because I simply didn't want to spend my day(s) worrying about serving ads, tracking their metrics and then having to answer to manufacturers when the banners or campaigns failed to perform to their expectation. At the same time I wasn't charging the bloated prices many sites in the industry charge for banners that ultimately don't work. My deal, when I experimented with banners was as follows (and everyone paid the same, there were no tiers):

- Campaigns ran for a period of 1 year.
- Manufacturers paid up front, and in full.
- The price was $5,000
- I asked five companies to sponsor my site and video channel, three did so with their wallets and two did so with production equipment.
- All five companies were asked by me to become sponsors because I could personally vouch for their products, for I was a customer of theirs first.
- I ran this experiment for 1 year, I have not chosen to repeat it, for, again, I think banners are a waste of time and a needless distraction that accomplishes little more than to clutter up one's website.
- I don't run ads because I do not live or make money off my site, I have another, or other jobs. I write on my site and choose to review equipment because it still brings me joy, and I generally like the community that makes up this hobby.

2.) With regards to my former employer, HomeTheaterReview.com and their review of the Lexicon BDP-30. First, I did not write that review. Second, I did not stand idly by. You have no idea what conversations took place behind the scenes with respect to that particular review or the day-to-day business operations. I didn't own HTR, so at the end of the day, my dissenting opinion was noted, but ultimately a different course of action was taken by management.

To your note about being a "hired marketing guy," not sure what you mean by this exactly. Prior to my working for Emotiva, or while I was employed by HTR (which is the time frame I believe you are referring to) I didn't work for any audio or video manufacturer. I designed banner ads for manufacturers that didn't have any, but that chose to advertise on HTR. I was not paid by them (the manufacturers) to do so, nor did I get any sort of monetary kick back from the money paid to HTR for running those campaigns. I was paid as a contract laborer (1099) for writing reviews and for graphic design services related to HTR. I've worked in this industry as a writer or editor for 10 years, in all those years I have never been on salary. I have never been paid benefits. I've never had health insurance. I've been responsible for my own taxes , etc. etc.

Obviously I didn't get into writing reviews to get rich. The most I have ever been paid by a publisher for a review has been $350. Most of the time I would earn between $50 - $250 per review. As Managing Editor of HTR I was guaranteed $500 a month, plus whatever I reviewed. Most months that meant I earned, on average, about $1,600 or $10/hour. I'm sorry, but if you or anyone want me to sell out, you're going to have to come at me with a lot more than $10/hour or $1,600 a month (on average).

3.) Have you heard Dolby Atmos? Have you personally setup an Atmos system and demoed it in your own room? The answer is no. You may be proven correct in many of your assumptions, Lord knows I agree with one of your assertions that people don't want, or aren't going to employ more speakers. But the fact still remains, neither you or I know for sure.

Moreover, I didn't send my most recent article to anyone at Dolby or the industry on a whole. I wrote it, I published it, I linked to it on the Emotiva forum (as I always do) with the disclaimer that the thoughts expressed below or within the article are my own. I then tweeted 4 times about it over the course of 2 days on my own twitter feed. I cannot help it if someone in the industry, or Dolby read it, linked to it, or did whatever with it. This is how I suspect the article came to your attention.

Please do not assume.

In conclusion, you can write, say or video whatever it is that you want as it pertains to Atmos or whatever. I merely made an observation, and as of this post, I don't believe my observation is false. You still have not heard Atmos for yourself, nor has anyone on your staff, therefor it's all speculation. You may think you're being balanced in your coverage, but the truth is, through your tone, your choice in words etc. you are coloring the conversation to a certain extent. It's fine, for we're all just people and as such we tend to have opinions and biases, but 100% objective you are not. No one is. Pure objectivity would've required you to write precisely what is being released, who is releasing it, when it will be released followed by the statement, I have not heard or witnessed said product for myself, therefor I have no comment on how successful or unsuccessful it is in its implementation. Now, that isn't very exciting, entertaining or perhaps even informative, so you do what every writer does, you editorialized. Fine. I just happened to disagree with your methods, that's all.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
Gene,

Thank you for welcoming me to your site, I'm not here to get into a war of words with you. If you will allow me to clear up a couple of misconceptions that you have about me, or what I've done.

1.) My site not making money off banner ads has nothing to do with my traffic or lack thereof. I've run banners before, I even been approached to run banners, but I've come to the conclusion that they simply don't work.

For the record, when I've run banners -paid or unpaid -I've never done any tracking of their impressions or clicks, again, not because my site doesn't generate traffic, but because I simply didn't want to spend my day(s) worrying about serving ads, tracking their metrics and then having to answer to manufacturers when the banners or campaigns failed to perform to their expectation. At the same time I wasn't charging the bloated prices many sites in the industry charge for banners that ultimately don't work. My deal, when I experimented with banners was as follows (and everyone paid the same, there were no tiers):

- Campaigns ran for a period of 1 year.
- Manufacturers paid up front, and in full.
- The price was $5,000
- I asked five companies to sponsor my site and video channel, three did so with their wallets and two did so with production equipment.
- All five companies were asked by me to become sponsors because I could personally vouch for their products, for I was a customer of theirs first.
- I ran this experiment for 1 year, I have not chosen to repeat it, for, again, I think banners are a waste of time and a needless distraction that accomplishes little more than to clutter up one's website.
- I don't run ads because I do not live or make money off my site, I have another, or other jobs. I write on my site and choose to review equipment because it still brings me joy, and I generally like the community that makes up this hobby.

2.) With regards to my former employer, HomeTheaterReview.com and their review of the Lexicon BDP-30. First, I did not write that review. Second, I did not stand idly by. You have no idea what conversations took place behind the scenes with respect to that particular review or the day-to-day business operations. I didn't own HTR, so at the end of the day, my dissenting opinion was noted, but ultimately a different course of action was taken by management.

To your note about being a "hired marketing guy," not sure what you mean by this exactly. Prior to my working for Emotiva, or while I was employed by HTR (which is the time frame I believe you are referring to) I didn't work for any audio or video manufacturer. I designed banner ads for manufacturers that didn't have any, but that chose to advertise on HTR. I was not paid by them (the manufacturers) to do so, nor did I get any sort of monetary kick back from the money paid to HTR for running those campaigns. I was paid as a contract laborer (1099) for writing reviews and for graphic design services related to HTR. I've worked in this industry as a writer or editor for 10 years, in all those years I have never been on salary. I have never been paid benefits. I've never had health insurance. I've been responsible for my own taxes , etc. etc.

Obviously I didn't get into writing reviews to get rich. The most I have ever been paid by a publisher for a review has been $350. Most of the time I would earn between $50 - $250 per review. As Managing Editor of HTR I was guaranteed $500 a month, plus whatever I reviewed. Most months that meant I earned, on average, about $1,600 or $10/hour. I'm sorry, but if you or anyone want me to sell out, you're going to have to come at me with a lot more than $10/hour or $1,600 a month (on average).

3.) Have you heard Dolby Atmos? Have you personally setup an Atmos system and demoed it in your own room? The answer is no. You may be proven correct in many of your assumptions, Lord knows I agree with one of your assertions that people don't want, or aren't going to employ more speakers. But the fact still remains, neither you or I know for sure.

Moreover, I didn't send my most recent article to anyone at Dolby or the industry on a whole. I wrote it, I published it, I linked to it on the Emotiva forum (as I always do) with the disclaimer that the thoughts expressed below or within the article are my own. I then tweeted 4 times about it over the course of 2 days on my own twitter feed. I cannot help it if someone in the industry, or Dolby read it, linked to it, or did whatever with it. This is how I suspect the article came to your attention.

Please do not assume.

In conclusion, you can write, say or video whatever it is that you want as it pertains to Atmos or whatever. I merely made an observation, and as of this post, I don't believe my observation is false. You still have not heard Atmos for yourself, nor has anyone on your staff, therefor it's all speculation. You may think you're being balanced in your coverage, but the truth is, through your tone, your choice in words etc. you are coloring the conversation to a certain extent. It's fine, for we're all just people and as such we tend to have opinions and biases, but 100% objective you are not. No one is. Pure objectivity would've required you to write precisely what is being released, who is releasing it, when it will be released followed by the statement, I have not heard or witnessed said product for myself, therefor I have no comment on how successful or unsuccessful it is in its implementation. Now, that isn't very exciting, entertaining or perhaps even informative, so you do what every writer does, you editorialized. Fine. I just happened to disagree with your methods, that's all.
Andrew, thanks for the info.

I very strongly disagree with you that banners don't work. They serve to brand a company and drive traffic to their websites which BTW our advertisers do track. Results are easily measured using tools like Google Analytics and DFP and believe me they are scrutinized by advertisers. Banners may not work for you or the sites you managed but if your logic were true, then there would be NO banners on any website. Try telling that to Digital Trends or CNET. Maybe Coca-Cola should pull all of their ads in print and online and on TV too :rolleyes:

You again make assumptions that my opinion is settled on Atmos in the home which is untrue. You also imply as if I don't think Atmos works which is again untrue. I've heard Atmos in the cinema and I will soon hear it in the home both with Atmos elevation speakers and discrete ceiling speakers. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. But, if you're going to make accusations about our intent on your blog than forgive me for doing the same and being skeptical of your claim of being purely humanitarian. I don't buy it.

Hopefully as a result of this thread we've both learned to stop making assumptions about each other. In any event I wish you the best of luck on your endeavors and thank you for coming here to discuss with civility.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Andrew Robinson, formerly of Emotiva and now an independent producer, says negative style reporting is hurting the AV industry. He singles us out b/c of our recent critical coverage of Dolby Atmos and basically implies that only positive coverage should be done to save the shrinking and fragile AV industry.

Do you Agree or Disagree?


My Response to the Bogus Dolby Atmos "Discussions" | The Emotiva Lounge
This link is not working. I suppose your response was deleted?

And, I totally disagree with his thinking process.
I imagine he would want only positive comments about homeopathic remedies too, right? And psychics, etc.

What is wrong with the industry is that time marches on, and snake oil is tolerated. Shame.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
They made up before I could even get a jab in. I had no idea people could be so civil on the internet.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
This link is not working. I suppose your response was deleted?

And, I totally disagree with his thinking process.
I imagine he would want only positive comments about homeopathic remedies too, right? And psychics, etc.

What is wrong with the industry is that time marches on, and snake oil is tolerated. Shame.
Emotiva deleted the thread.

Here is Andrew's article:
<!--[if gte mso 9]><![endif]--> Biting the Hand That Feeds – How AV Reporting Is Damaging the Specialty AV Industry | ARC Cinema

I don't want a war with Andrew. He seemed like a nice guy to me though <!--[if gte mso 9]><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <![endif]-->I'm a bit disappointed about his article and his lack of knowledge about internet advertising and SEO.
 
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J

jotham

Audioholic
Emotiva deleted the thread.

Here is Andrew's article:
<!--[if gte mso 9]><![endif]--> Biting the Hand That Feeds – How AV Reporting Is Damaging the Specialty AV Industry | ARC Cinema

I don't want a war with Andrew. He seemed like a nice guy to me though <!--[if gte mso 9]><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <![endif]-->I'm a bit disappointed about his article and his lack of knowledge about internet advertising and SEO.
Gene,

I didn't read Andrew's article so I have no idea how he might be bashing/not bashing Audioholics. edit - <edit> just read it, yeah it's harsh but my original point still stands </edit>

That said, I don't care and even though it is quite difficult, I ask you to not care as well. Audioholics is a great site precisely because it strives so hard to focus on data, measurement and objective results in the face of a highly subjective area like A/V systems.

All I ask is that you try and turn the other cheek and continue to produce the standard when it comes to A/V reporting. Don't get involved in personal attacks, he said/she said arguments etc. You and your fellow writers don't need to earn our respect, you already have it, just don't lose it with the personal stuff.

Make your arguments about the data or practicality of installation and I'll be cool with that. I think you are tapping into a lot of our basic irritations with standards that seems to add greater complexity for home theaters rather than reducing it. I would rather that Dolby had focused on tighter integration with WISA and/or better Audessey-like configuration rather than more speakers. I know people who worked on the Atmos project and I still couldn't convince them to focus where I wanted it. Their motivations are apparently different than mine.

Anyhow, keep up the positive skepticism and don't get pulled into flamewars.

later,

Jotham
 
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Cos

Cos

Audioholic Samurai
Forget positive or negative review, it's honest reviews, whether they are positive or negative. We are not a communist society where our media is carefully reviewed by a governing body.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
If you're happy with your speakers, who cares about his or anyone's opinion? Consumer Reports slammed the new Lexus IS250AWD but I drive an IS350F and love it :)

BTW CR didn't provide any objective measurements on the car but C&D and MotorTrend did and gave the car very favorable reviews. Food for thought.
To this day I remember a CR review of the 1992 Corvette LT1 coupe. One criteria they were judging it by was ease of wheelchair stowage. I've never read CR since, or taken anything they've said seriously. I haven't missed them either.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
The anti-criticism argument is bogus. If Gene ever pulled a stunt like that I wouldn't be on this site afterward. IMO, many companies in the AV industry, content producers included, need to stop being so cynical about consumers and focus more on consumer benefits, quality, and value. I happen to think that this site is a positive force towards those objectives.
 
C

Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
If the specialty AV market is shrinking, so what? To me it's due to some degree by the Gen Y and Millenials having different outlooks and priorities from the older crowd. Conversations with my oldest can involve watching a movie and at the same time he's catching up on social media, doing work, replying to an email, etc. He might stream a movie on his iPad or laptop but it's not always full screen. Media is still being consumed but not always in traditional ways. Might pay to keep in mind what Marshall McLuan said, "it's not the message, it's the medium."
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
I remember thinking {when I read the article, because of this thread}, "What service would a dishonest or bias review have?" It makes no sense and would throw the entire premise on its ear... I also remember thinking, "WTF is this guy thinking, no one is ever going to take a word he says serious again"... Luckily he is only making $10 an hour so McDonalds can replace that if need be...

I like audio equipment reviews, but if I am reading one to help me decide if I am going to buy the equipment being reviewed than I pay attention to the things like, build quality, how well it was packed, customer service {to an extent, I believe the negative things more than the positive for CS, which don't happen often}, ect.. Things like how they sounded I take with a table spoon of salt, I have heard speakers I like in one place then put them in another room and not them..
When members come to the forum and ask for advice on what equipment to buy, I {on most occasions} recco stuff I own, owned, or heard and thats all we can expect, you can rest assured that if I bought it, I listened to every other one that cost a little more or less and picked that one as my favorite and since I am stupid about this stuff, hopefully it helps some people...

Anyway, for the idea of not reviewing honestly to "save" our hobby, that sounds like a bunch of BS to me, and I would simply disregard such reviews.. Although I see how it would make a reviewers job much easier, you wouldn't even need to listen to the gear, just have the manufacturers send you what they want you to say... Better yet, have the customer send you what they want to read...
At first I thought he was underpayed at $10 per hour, now I am starting to think I wouldn't mind having that job..
 
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MidnightSensi2

Audioholic Chief
They made up before I could even get a jab in. I had no idea people could be so civil on the internet.
I got plenty in for ya, they just got deleted (so, they were at least good enough jabs to get that!). ;)
 

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