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annunaki

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Chances are, if you bridge the receiver, and it does not specifiy that can be done, you may smell some burn electronics.
 
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TEWhite1

Enthusiast
Ok, well, I don't think I got the manual for it, and it's really old, so I don't think it would support that very well, lol.
 
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smith101

Enthusiast
This is not as easy as you think.

Throw that speaker away! The relationships of a driver and it's enclosure are complex, and you're better off buying a sub in an enclosure where the engineering has been done for you.

First of all, speakers, especially at low frequencies, have to be in a box otherwise the sound pressure they make on a forward excursion rushes around to fill the vacuum created in back, and no sound is radiated. A driver in free air will produce no bass.

Putting them into a box keeps the backwave energy from causing cancellation, but also "stiffens" the movement of the cone since movement in now produces pressure and out produces suction--that limits the long excursions needed for deep bass. A woofer in a small box can go very deep, but only if its cone is small enough that excursion is not limited by the suction/pressure effect. For loud bass, you need a bigger woofer, and a bigger box is a must or the deep bass will be missing. To my ears, the deepest bass is the nicest part.

Some manufacturers use "servo feedback" that monitors the cone position and causes the amplifier to correct movement errors caused by enclosure characteristics. Velodyne (high end) and Yamaha (low end) and others make these. For quality rather than quantity, its the best way to go. It's clear your level of expertise is going to require a freak accident for you to get optimum results with that undefined speaker that you have.

Servo control also ensures that your sub will be well damped--that is, that quick bass sounds (transients) will end quickly like they are supposed to. Poor damping will result in muddy, ringy bass that will destroy the clarity of the sound.

Also, about placement. Rooms resonate at the frequencies of their dimensions. A cubic room is the worst possible case since L W H will all have the same resonance frequency. Hopefully you have an irregular room with angled surfaces. Resonances can be reduced by not placing the sub near intersection surfaces--never in a corner. When you have resonances, you will also have uneven bass--you'll hear it in one place and not the next, because the reflections will be additive at one point and cancelling each other at the next. Much experimentation is required, but stay away from corners and avoid any intersections if you can. :D
 
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TEWhite1

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wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, and wow again. Alright, well, say I did put that speaker in a box, not knowing anything about it, other than it's 12", would a 16x16x16 inch box make it sound louder no matter what? I will probably need a new amp too, if I follow through with this. This was just suppose to be an inexpensive summer project (spent $20 :D ) that will make this sub sound a bit better/louder. This sub works pretty well, and i'd hate to throw it away, even though it looks pretty ugly.
 
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annunaki

Moderator
TEWhite1,

It would not actually make the subwoofer louder. If the sub were say designed more for ported enclosures (higher qts) it may have very poor performance in sealed enclosures and vice versa. To make a proper enclosure for that sub you NEED the Theile-Small parameters. Guessing only goes so far in building enclosures. Say you needed to build five different enclosures till you found one that worked O.K. The average enclosure, including MDF, screws, glue, and finishing materials, ends up costing about $40-$60, not to mention a few hours of your time. 5 x $50 = $250. For that price you would be much better served to purchase a good subwoofer, build an enclosure and probably buy a plate amplifier.

Smith101,

Servo subwoofers are very nice, great low distortion output with little to no overhang. I have the Velodyne HGS-10, it is an excellent performer. However, subwoofer motor design topology is changing. Great very low distortion output can be had from regular non servo designs as well. Basically rather than make a fix of the problem these companies went to the root of the problem to cure it! Companies are acheiving this through flat or linear BL motor designs. The two best examples of this are the DMA designed motor from JL Audio, and XBL^2 from Adire Audio. http://www.jlaudio.com (look into the W7 and W6v2 subwoofers and check under technologies) http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/XBL2TechPaper.pdf (there is a XBL^2 tutorial on this site and is very informative) JL Audio will be entering the home audio subwoofer market later this year at the Cedia show. Yes, I know, they both do car audio products, but they are on the right track.
 
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smith101

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Thanks for the links. That's great news that there is new technology. I will check it out, both adire and JL. Hey, I've got nothing against car audio companies, anyone who can make audio better and cheaper is OK. I have heard way too many subs that sacrifice damping for output, and they give me headaches.
 

chopan

Audiophyte
subwoofer

I have a SA-101 and i connected a altec lansing (XA-3001) subwoofer with built-in amplifier of about 15 watts and now it´s a powerful stereo attached to my pc.



TEWhite1 said:
Annunaki, Thank you so much for your help (especially the links! :D ). At this point, I have the materials for the box, but I think I'm gonna wait to build the box, because I may purchase one of the subs from one of those sites. Any suggestions on an amp, cuz i think i'm gonna need a new one. I am currently running a very old Technics FM/AM Stereo Reciever SA-101. Most likely will have to replace that, as with the sub, it came with the house, so i don't know it's output, but it powers 2 speakers with 8 inch subs/midrange fairly well. The speakers i currently have don't seem to play low notes very clearly, is this due to crappy speakers, or crappy reciever, or both. The 8 inch subs/midrange seem to be made out of some sort of cardboard/paper?!?!? (reason for wanting to have a real sub)
 
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