About 9/11

[cyberbri]

Here is one actual picture of the Pentagon. What was it about a 16 foot wide hole in the "Loose Change" video ?

That was after they collapsed it, or after it collpased.

Look where they are spraying water: (large, click to open)
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/3.jpg

Better view:

(some pictures taken from here, which has links to official FEMA, etc. photos:
http://www.newsfollowup.com/flight77_14.htm )



Reports of no plane at the Pentagon site:
http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#Pentagon_witnesses_no_plane
(view link to see actual sources linked)

► Steve DeChiaro, engineer

"Instead of following the streams of people away from the Pentagon, Steve DeChiaro ran toward the smoke. As he reached the west side of the building he saw a light post bent in half. "But when I looked at the site, my brain could not resolve the fact that it was a plane because it only seemed like a small hole in the building," he said. "No tail. No wings. No nothing." He followed the emergency crews that had just arrived. He saw people hanging out of windows and others crawling from the demolished area. "These people were covered in what I thought was powder - I don't know anything about medicine or first aid, I'm an engineer - but it looked like powder," DeChiaro said." - Commercial Appeal/Memphis Online



► Lincoln Liebner, Army Captain

"I got to the building. Remarkably, there was no debris from the airplane." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon



► Allan Lindsley, Army Captain, Physicians Assistant for Emergency Medical Services at Dewitt Army Community Hospital, Ft. Belvoir, VA.

"At the time we could walk right up to the building. I walked right down, I was within 100 meters of the building, right in front of the crash site.
I didn’t see any of the plane. By then, the floors had collapsed." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon



► Eileen Murphy, Head Nurse of the Minor Surgery Clinic at the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic

"I knew it was a crash site before we got there, and I didn’t know what it was going to look like. I couldn’t imagine because the building is like rock solid. I expected to see the airplane, so I guess my initial impression was, “Where’s the plane? How come there’s not a plane?” I would have thought the building would have stopped it and somehow we would have seen something like part of, or half of the plane, or the lower part, or the back of the plane. So it was just a real surprise that the plane wasn’t there." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon



► Maybon Pollock, Sergeant First Class, NCOIC Logistics in the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic

I was more impressed, I was truly impressed, with how the building stood up, after they told me the size of the plane. And then I was in awe that I saw no plane, nothing left from the plane. It was like it disintegrated as it went into the building." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon



► Will Jarvis, operations research analyst, Office of Secretary of Defense

"That smell was his only clue that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon, where he works as an operations research analyst for the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Jarvis, who was around the corner from the disaster, tried but failed to see the plane when he left the building. “There was just nothing left. It was incinerated. We couldn’t see a tail or a wing or anything,” he says. “Just a big black hole in the building with smoke pouring out of it.” - Univ of Toronto Magazine, Testimony to Tragedy (Winter 2002) [Wayback Machine]

Same website, CNN reports no plane in site (notice part in bold, about when floors collapsed)

• 9/11 - CNN correspondent Jamie McIntyre reporting live from the Pentagon says that there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the building.



► Jamie Mcintryre, CNN correspondent

"From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.
Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed." - CNN (09/11/01) [Video archived at: Prison Planet; The Web Fairy]

Same website, just below that, people smelling Cordite (smokeless explosive power)

• 9/11 - Witnesses at the Pentagon report the smell of cordite, a smokeless explosive powder.


► Gilah Goldsmith, personnel attorney at the Pentagon

"We saw a huge black cloud of smoke," she said, saying it smelled like cordite, or gun smoke." - Jewish News Weekly (09/21/01)


► Don Perkal, deputy General Counsel, Office of the Secretary of Defense

"The airliner crashed between two and three hundred feet from my office in the Pentagon, just around a corner from where I work. I'm the deputy General Counsel, Washington Headquarters Services, Office of the Secretary of Defense. A slightly different calibration and I have no doubt I wouldn't be sending this to you. My colleagues felt the impact, which reminded them of an earthquake. People shouted in the corridor outside that a bomb had gone off upstairs on the main concourse in the building. No alarms sounded. I walked to my office, shut down my computer, and headed out. Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere.

Two explosions, a few minutes apart, prompted me to start walking." - McSweeney's Internet Tendency: The Works of Humankind (09/19/01)



- cordite - A smokeless explosive powder consisting of nitrocellulose, nitroglycerin, and petrolatum that has been dissolved in acetone, dried, and extruded in cords.

- Cordite is a smokeless propellent explosive made by combining two explosives: nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin. It has commonly been used in firearms since the early 20th Century. It has also been used in solid fuel rockets.

 

[cyberbri]

(continued, split due to length restriction)

Same website, just below, Flight 77 flew like jet fighter

• 9/11 - Experienced air traffic controllers thought that the alleged Boeing 757 that was flying towards the Pentagon flew like a "military jetfighter."



‘Get These Planes on the Ground’, Air Traffic Controllers Recall Sept. 11

"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."
"And it went six, five, four. And I had it in my mouth to say, three, and all of a sudden the plane turned away. In the room, it was almost a sense of relief. This must be a fighter. This must be one of our guys sent in, scrambled to patrol our capital, and to protect our president, and we sat back in our chairs and breathed for just a second," says O'Brien.
But the plane continued to turn right until it had made a 360-degree maneuver." - ABC (10/24/01) [Wayback Machine]



On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked'
"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver."
"Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers." - Washington Post (9/12/01)



Primary Target
"New radar evidence obtained by CBS News strongly suggests that the hijacked jetliner which crashed into the Pentagon hit its intended target."
"But the jet, flying at more than 400 mph, was too fast and too high when it neared the Pentagon at 9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn."
"Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes."
"The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed." - CBS (9/21/01)

Same website, this is the guy that pulled off these amazing maneuvers:

• 9/11 - Flight 77 is allegedly flown into the Pentagon by 28 year old Saudi Arabian Hani Hanjour who has never flown a Boeing 757 in real life, was described by many of his former flight instructors as a "horrible pilot," is the only alleged hijacker to not have a passenger number or seat assignment, is thought that he might not have had a ticket to get on board the plane, and was unable to rent a single-engine Cessna 172 one month before the attacks because he had trouble controlling and landing it during a flight test.

"Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot.
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." - New York Times (05/04/02)

"I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." Peggy Chevrette, Arizona flight school manager - CBS (05/10/02)

"Hijacking Suspects - Aboard American Airlines Flight 77, which took off from Washington Dulles Airport for Los Angeles and crashed into the Pentagon." - ABC (09/15/01)

Alhamzi, Nawaq — Passenger No. 12
Almidhar, Khalid — Passenger No. 20, Seat 12B
Alhamzi, Salem — Passenger No. 13, Seat 5F
Moqed, Majed — Passenger No. 19, Seat 12A
Hanjour, Hani — [N/A]

"His name [Hani Hanjour] was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket." - Washington Post



Tracing Trail Of Hijackers

"The hijacker believed to have steered American Airlines Flight 77 on its fatal path toward the Pentagon recently honed his rusty flying skills at a small Maryland airport, and more than a year ago sought training at a flight school in Arizona.
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997," Chilton said." - Newsday (12/23/01) [Archived: Wayback Machine]

A wealth of information, "cobbled together" from different sources.

 

[craigsub]

Ok ... So now US News and World Report are in on the conspiracy. This just keeps getting better ...

 

[cyberbri]

Ok ... So now US News and World Report are in on the conspiracy. This just keeps getting better ...

What are you talking about???

• 9/11 - CNN correspondent Jamie McIntyre reporting live from the Pentagon says that there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the building.

► Jamie Mcintryre, CNN correspondent

"From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.
Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed." - CNN (09/11/01) [Video archived at: Prison Planet; The Web Fairy]

Watch the actual video HERE for yourself. Look at the pictures of the small hole, water being sprayed into it, watch the video of the news reporting. Or, come back and tell me that all those pictures and the video is fake.



NOTE - I added extra stuff to my posts, so you may not have seen everything I posted.

 

[craigsub]

Cyberbri, You really want to believe all this stuff. It would take the cooperation of thousands of people to pull this off, with not one of them ever going public with the biggest conspiracy in history.

I guess this is another hobby for you, just try not to get too wrapped up in it, ok ?

Here is my favorite picture from 9/11 ....

THAT guy had a bad morning.

 

[cyberbri]

Cyberbri, You really want to believe all this stuff. It would take the cooperation of thousands of people to pull this off, with not one of them ever going public with the biggest conspiracy in history.

I guess this is another hobby for you, just try not to get too wrapped up in it, ok ?

Here is my favorite picture from 9/11 ....

THAT guy had a bad morning.

I see. Once it becomes too much for you, you resort to the "it was too complicated to be possible" argument? Don't worry. It's a natural gut reaction response when the facts become overwhelming.

But what exactly do you think it is I want to believe? I have never said I believe this happened or that. I am simply pointing out inconvenient facts.

I guess it only took 19 ME men what it would have taken thousands of Americans to do, huh...? And I guess you've never read the Operation Northwood document before, either.

Who's to say that NORAD and the war games that day weren't a diversion to make it impossible to intercept these planes? It's already been reported that some FAA traffickers saw up to 20 hijacked planes on their radars, and were questioning "is it real this time?" Too bad the FAA recordings and testimonies were all destroyed. But I guess that's not the least bit suspicious either.

You are free to go on believing the official "conspiracy theory," despite all its holes. Me? At least I'm not blind to the facts, whatever the facts may imply.


But would you even believe it if someone did come forward (if they weren't killed before it got out)? We have so much evidence that the Iraq policy was set and the intelligence was fixed around it (to borrow verbage from the Downing Street Memo, mysteriously overlooked by the "left-leaning MSM") it's not even funny anymore, and still people don't believe it...



Funny picture, BTW, although it's in pretty bad taste.

 

[craigsub]

Yes, It is the linking to such esteemed websites like "web fairy" that really points to a lot of "facts" ...

Can we do a thread on UFO's next ?

 

[craigsub]

Jamie McIntyre as shown by Webfairy :

Jamie McIntyre as shown by CNN

 

[cyberbri]

Wow. And you accuse me of crazy nut theories?

Who cares where the video is posted?
If you can't win with facts, attack the source/messenger.
Nice.

 

[craigsub]

Wow. And you accuse me of crazy nut theories?

Hey ... I just showed two pictures. I was curious about Mr. Mcintyre, and looked him up on CNN. I know, pretty crazy idea, trying to find info on a CNN reporter by actually going onto CNN's website rather than googling him.

But tell me ... do those 2 pics look like the same guy ? Who knows ? Maybe The guy in the video was part of the plot ?

And I just said you had a hobby of this stuff. Apparently you live for it, or at least really like it. I know a couple guys like that in this area.

 

[craigsub]

Who cares where the video is posted?
If you can't win with facts, attack the source/messenger.
Nice.

Cy - I am not attacking you. Try to relax, ok ? As for caring where the video is posted, I understand you don't care. The fact that the first journalist who can prove all this would be hailed as the best investigative reporter of all time is not relevant. The mainstream press is completely ignoring all these "facts" because ........ ummmmmmmm ... can I get back to you on this ?

 

[craigsub]

Here is a link to CNN's actual news reports on 9-11, including Jamie McIntyre. link to CNN

 

[JeffD2.]

Cy - I am not attacking you. Try to relax, ok ? As for caring where the video is posted, I understand you don't care. The fact that the first journalist who can prove all this would be hailed as the best investigative reporter of all time is not relevant. The mainstream press is completely ignoring all these "facts" because ........ ummmmmmmm ... can I get back to you on this ?

1. Because the "best investigative reporter" would suddenly be audited by the IRS, have their computers seized, and found to have kiddie porn, thus destroying their career and personal reputation. Only the accusation needs to be made to destroy someone these days.

2. Inside sources the newspapers and television rely on would lose their jobs and probably all benefits and pensions. The paper/network would be shut out of any inside scoops thus rendering them "not first" on reporting news. Less papers sold, lower news bureau ratings.

All about the money.

 

[craigsub]

Jeff ... When you get the chance, look at the webfairy link of Jamie McIntyre and then the actual link to CNN. You may see a difference or 2 from the made up one to the real one ..

And are there any documented cases of people's having their computers seized and false, incriminating evidence of child porn found ?

 

[JeffD2.]

Because of the interlaced and jpeg compressed image on webfairy and the relatively pristine still photo from CNN, this was a tough call. I did add some jpeg compression to the CNN image to equalize the quality.

I have 13+ years using Photoshop but I could find not any evidence of the web fairy image being fake.

HOWEVER, It is very easy to conceal any chicanery on web images because they typically have such LOW RESOLUTION.

There are Photoshop plug-ins that claim to be able discern fakes from actual images, but the results are not repeatable and to my knowledge have not held up in court.

I see a common sharp cornered left eyebrow.
I see a common dimple under the lower lip.
I see common receding hairline. Granted the left photo is presumably wind blown forward.

NOT IN COMMON-
Notice the line from the bottom left earloab to the cheek bone on the photos
Nose/nostrils- there does appear to be a common curveture to the septum, but nostrils appear to be different.

Craig, as to your point about documented cases concerning computers being seized and porn being found. No, I cannot site any documented cases. But I would submit to you that the government has "hired" the best hackers in the world to infiltrate other governments systems to gain information or to spread disinfomation.

It would not be difficult to hack the typical consumer level firewall such as Zone Alarm or the open source code of the Linux firewall to implant the evidence. Not to mention ISPs are cooperating more often with law enforcement on copyright downloads for the prospect of charging the user a fee (by the access provider) for each download.

 

[cyberbri]

Cy - I am not attacking you. Try to relax, ok ? As for caring where the video is posted, I understand you don't care. The fact that the first journalist who can prove all this would be hailed as the best investigative reporter of all time is not relevant. The mainstream press is completely ignoring all these "facts" because ........ ummmmmmmm ... can I get back to you on this ?

I'm glad to hear you weren't implying that the video was a fake.
Sometimes they have pictures up that are 10-15 years old, and/or the pictures look much different because they have makeup on and are in a nice studio, rather than out in the field all day dealing with actual news.


As far as ignoring the facts, I second what Jeff said.
Look how badly the Downing Street Memos were ignored by the media. Now things are coming to light slowly, but even Sunday's revelation on 60 Minutes is being ignored by most media. I won't get into that any more, to keep the discussion on topic with 9/11.

Now and then, something pops up about 9/11. Just a few weeks ago, Charlie Sheen spoke up about it, and was on CNN Headline News, one of the entertainment shows in the evenings. And every night for a week on that show they had guests talking about it. The poll, whether people think the US Gov had knowledge or something to do with it, had 25-30K votes, with something like 85% saying yes. Not that Sheen is the best spokesperson (he just gets more attention because he's famous), and not that he has all his facts right (I think he is wrong about the planes that hit the WTC towers - I think they were either planes painted to look like the actual jets and remotely flown in, or the actual jets somehow).

If you want to look into some reporting on this, check out Crossing the Rubicon, researched and written by a former CIA guy. It's the second-best selling book about 9/11 after the 9/11 Commission Report.

There's too much to re-post here, but you can read an outline of the basic arguments made in the book here - very informative:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
Whether or not "Peak Oil" is true (it very well could be, but I think they may find new oil reserves as they start exploring off the coast of Africa, etc.), you can't deny the mysteriousness and secrecy of Cheney's Energy Task Force, what documents from it were finally released thanks to a FOIA request (mapped-out grids of oil fields in Iraq and other countries, lists of foreign nations trying to get in on Iraq's oil (2nd/3rd largest reserves in the world), and the fact that the big oil execs that were a part of the task force lied to Congress when they were called in (although not sworn in under oath by the controlling party)), the other points about the on-going war games that day to provide cover are very well-researched and informative.

 

[cyberbri]

Some people say, security would have been so tight in the WTC towers, how could bombs have even been placed?

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,1255660.story

Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

By Curtis L. Taylor and Sean Gardiner
STAFF WRITERS

September 12, 2001

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center.

...

And again, it's just a simple coincidence who was doing security for WTC (and the electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, where Flight 77 took off that day). It was Securacom/Stratesec, where Marvin Bush, Pres Bush's brother, was on the Board of Directors until 2000 (when he moved to the BOD of HCC, one of the insurers of the WTC towers):

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
by Margie Burns


George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."

It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before his arriving on the board in 1998.

McDaniel confirmed that the company has security contracts with the Department of Defense, including the U.S. Army, but did not detail the nature of the work, citing security concerns. It has an ongoing line with the General Services Administration - meaning that its bids for contracts are noncompetitive - and also did security work for the Los Alamos laboratory before 1998.

Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000. But the White House has not publicly disclosed Bush connections in any of its responses to 9/11, nor has it mentioned that another Bush-linked business had done security work for the facilities attacked.

Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment.

KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period.

Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.

...

 

[craigsub]

Guys ... You believe what "webfairy" posts about Mcintyre, but not what CNN has on its website, including the pic and interview with him.

In the actual CNN interview, McIntyre clearly states a plane had hit the Pentagon. CNN has archived all these interviews for 4.5 years.

So ...... in your eyes , CNN is involved in this conspiracy, too. CNN erased a video of one of its most esteemed reporters, but due to the quick thinking of webfairy dot com, who WANTS to believe this was a conspiracy, the day was saved.

While I don't have the time to debunk every whack job conspiracy theory which has been raised in 4.5 years, you guys need to come clean here.

In order for your position to be correct, then CNN has to be a part of this conspiracy.

So, for the record, are they ? This is yes or no.

This should be interesting.

And Jeff - you posed the idea that people would have their lives ruined, yet you have no proof of that. We have met. I expect more from you than unfounded, unproven claims.

 

[cyberbri]

craigsub,

The CNN video clip I linked to was merely to show an official description of the site, where it looks like there was no plane wreckage. Just like at the Flight 93 crash site.

I don't see how this somehow leads to a conspiracy. The CNN website has certain stories archived, but not EVERY SECOND of reporting from that day or the following days.

How is that a conspiracy?

When asked for a description of the scene (I assume), he described what things looked like, and simply stated what his observation was:

"From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.
Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed." - CNN

How is that a conspiracy?
In another portion of his coverage, he obviously stated a plane hit the Pentagon. But here he is stating that from the outside of the Pentagon, there are no obvious remnants of a plane. Just like the big crater in the field from Flight 93, where the debris was very small and fine, no large pieces of the plane (except for part of the engine a mile or however many miles away).

Does it go against something else you have seen or heard?
Have you ever seen any large pieces of a plane in pictures from the Pentagon (or Flight 93 crash site for that matter)?
Do you have some report somewhere that indicates that the above stories fell immediately, contrary to this news story and every other report that I have heard that says those floors didn't fall (and the pictures that show them trying to put the fires out in the initial hole, with the floors above it still intact)?

How exactly is it a conspiracy that CNN doesn't have this particular 45~ seconds of coverage on its website? Does it have ALL the 24-hour coverage for that day and the following days EXCEPT for these 45 seconds or so?

So this website took raw footage of the Pentagon that day, found some guy that looked like this reporter, green screened him on there added the CNN graphics, and put this up on the website?

Why go to all the trouble when those are the facts of the scene, reported by everyone? Find me pictures of actual plane wreckage (wings, tail fin, engines, anything), and find me a report that says the upper stories fell right after the initial impact, not 45 minutes later as reported by every news service I am aware of.

You're stretching quite a bit here, craigsub.

 

[craigsub]

I am stretching ? I post stuff from CNN's actual website, including an interview in which McIntyre actually says a plane hit the Pentagon.

You post a video from Webfairy, which has a "video", in which someone who does not look like McIntyre on it, and the Webfairy video has "McIntyre" saying that it a plane did not hit near the Pentagon, just that something hit the wall. Yet, if you look at the video streaming (the video without "McIntyre" in the picture), it says quite clearly, "Plane Crash preceded fire at Pentagon"

Then, if you actually look at CNN, rather than at "Webfairy dot com", Which has all sorts of really credible information - suggesting EMP weaponry being used and a link to the "occult pentagon" segment. THAT is some rational thinking. There are links to laser weapons being used on 9/11 ... this list goes on. The entire "TheWebFairy.com" site is dedicated to a myriad of of some of the most unbelieveable claims in history.

In the meantime, on CNN's own website, McIntyre clearly states this: "It appears an aircraft of some kind has hit the side of the Pentagon".

Of course, none of this matters to you, the fact that you believe The Web Fairy, but not CNN, about CNN's own reporter is pretty disturbing.

What is it that you think happened on 9/11 ? I am really curious. Would you answer this in your own words ?