$6,000 Recommended Two-Channel Stereo System

[fmw]

It looks a pretty nice system. I would simply remove the turntable and CD player. I wouldn't recomment getting into vinyl for all the well known reasons and I would rip my CD's to digital files with a computer. I would add an internet player and, of course, a subwoofer.

 

[haraldo]

It looks a pretty nice system. I would simply remove the turntable and CD player. I wouldn't recomment getting into vinyl for all the well known reasons and I would rip my CD's to digital files with a computer. I would add an internet player and, of course, a subwoofer.

Not sure I understand, could you please enlighten me.... What are the well known reasons for not getting into vinyl?

 

[fmw]

Not sure I understand, could you please enlighten me.... What are the well known reasons for not getting into vinyl?

Simply the fact that vinyl has more noise and lower dynamic range than digital. Digital provides better sound. As long as the same content is available digitally there is no reason other than nostalgia to get into an old technology like that. Most of us old timers are thrilled we don't have to spin records any longer.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

...vinyl has more noise and lower dynamic range than digital.

I agree here.

Given the same recording source, I think Vinyl generally has lower SNR, lower Dynamic Range and higher Distortion. I think Vinyl is also a lot less convenient.

Digital generally has higher SNR, higher Dynamic Range, less Distortion and is a lot more convenient (I can stream, save files, buying, no cleaning, etc).

But if it sounds good, then that's all that matters - Vinyl or Digital.

 

[slipperybidness]

Not sure I understand, could you please enlighten me.... What are the well known reasons for not getting into vinyl?

Hipsters

 

[haraldo]

Simply the fact that vinyl has more noise and lower dynamic range than digital. Digital provides better sound. As long as the same content is available digitally there is no reason other than nostalgia to get into an old technology like that. Most of us old timers are thrilled we don't have to spin records any longer.

You seem to not mention the one single thing that, at least to me, is the one most important facet of everything: musical pleasure = enjoy the music

Some of the best musical pleasure I had was way back, when I had a proper vinyl rig with a quite good Ortofon mc pickup going to a Nikko pre/power set and Stax electrostatic headphones ... The music and enjoyment from this rig is beyound what I experience today, and my rig is significantly more expensive and high resolution than what was those days...
(Squeezebox, Benchmark DAC1, Krell KAV-400 xi, Meadowlark Kestrel 2 / Duntech PCL-15)
- Maybe the vinyl rig was the difference...
- Maybe I'm much more fuzzy now than I was...
- Maybe my memory is cheating me...
- Maybe I'm scr$£% by listening to $500k+ systems in a hi-end shop and I'm never gonna enjoy a cheap hi-fi system again
- Maybe it's something else...

However, I am not confident about the "technical superiority" of a digital perfect playback chain...

A while ago I was listening to a pair of Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution driven by a Devialet 200 using the SAM digital correction that supposedly is going to correct phase and frequency issues, but the funny thing is that I enjoyed the music more when SAM was turned off as opposed to on. In this situation, it was apparently more live and dynamic when SAM was off!!!!!
So how can it be that the digital correction wonder that supposedly is magic makes the music less involving? Beats me?

I believe that our brain can to some extent ignore the socalled flaws of vinyl, I believe in vinyl and for sure the vinyl rig will be going back into my house, maybe then I will understand that I was wrong about my views on vinyl, or maybe I will understand that I was correct.

I suggest that maybe in a low-end rig you will get more musical pleasure from a vinyl rig than a similarly priced digital playback chain, don't throw out the vinyl rig guys

 

[fmw]

You seem to not mention the one single thing that, at least to me, is the one most important facet of everything: musical pleasure = enjoy the music

Some of the best musical pleasure I had was way back, when I had a proper vinyl rig with a quite good Ortofon mc pickup going to a Nikko pre/power set and Stax electrostatic headphones ... The music and enjoyment from this rig is beyound what I experience today, and my rig is significantly more expensive and high resolution than what was those days...
(Squeezebox, Benchmark DAC1, Krell KAV-400 xi, Meadowlark Kestrel 2 / Duntech PCL-15)
- Maybe the vinyl rig was the difference...
- Maybe I'm much more fuzzy now than I was...
- Maybe my memory is cheating me...
- Maybe I'm scr$£% by listening to $500k+ systems in a hi-end shop and I'm never gonna enjoy a cheap hi-fi system again
- Maybe it's something else...

However, I am not confident about the "technical superiority" of a digital perfect playback chain...

A while ago I was listening to a pair of Sonus Faber Guarneri Evolution driven by a Devialet 200 using the SAM digital correction that supposedly is going to correct phase and frequency issues, but the funny thing is that I enjoyed the music more when SAM was turned off as opposed to on. In this situation, it was apparently more live and dynamic when SAM was off!!!!!
So how can it be that the digital correction wonder that supposedly is magic makes the music less involving? Beats me?

I believe that our brain can to some extent ignore the socalled flaws of vinyl, I believe in vinyl and for sure the vinyl rig will be going back into my house, maybe then I will understand that I was wrong about my views on vinyl, or maybe I will understand that I was correct.

I suggest that maybe in a low-end rig you will get more musical pleasure from a vinyl rig than a similarly priced digital playback chain, don't throw out the vinyl rig guys

You misunderstand. I don't care if you spin records. I just answered your question. If you don't like the answer then I'm not surprised.

 

[haraldo]

You misunderstand. I don't care if you spin records. I just answered your question. If you don't like the answer then I'm not surprised.

Well, perfect technology doesn't really mean anything does it? if it doesn't support what we are seeking....

 

[fmw]

Well, perfect technology doesn't really mean anything does it? if it doesn't support what we are seeking....

Did I say something about a perfect technology or make a suggestion of what anybody is seeking? I only commented on differences in the sound quality of digital vs. analog vinyl. I did that only because you asked. Why did you ask? Did you want to start an argument? I don't care what you believe or what you prefer. That is your business.