K KenM10759 Audioholic Ninja Oct 8, 2015 3,058 0 113 Spencer MA, USA Jul 21, 2019 #21 Kursun said: Having two mid-range drivers as in RBH Sound R-55 is absolutely an unwanted feature. Utilising more than one driver in mid-range and tweeter frequencies produces severe interference effects which result in uneven frequency response. I assume neither RBH nor the reviever have any knowledge of loudspeaker design basics! Click to expand... Yeah, same crew must be designing loudspeakers over at Dynaudio. Idiots. Reactions: sven1olaf and gene
Kursun said: Having two mid-range drivers as in RBH Sound R-55 is absolutely an unwanted feature. Utilising more than one driver in mid-range and tweeter frequencies produces severe interference effects which result in uneven frequency response. I assume neither RBH nor the reviever have any knowledge of loudspeaker design basics! Click to expand... Yeah, same crew must be designing loudspeakers over at Dynaudio. Idiots.
K Kursun Enthusiast Apr 11, 2014 13 0 1 Jul 21, 2019 #22 Do you think since Dynaudio guys have designed their speaker with twin mid-range drivers this changes the law of physics? Reactions: sven1olaf and gene
Do you think since Dynaudio guys have designed their speaker with twin mid-range drivers this changes the law of physics?
K KenM10759 Audioholic Ninja Oct 8, 2015 3,058 0 113 Spencer MA, USA Jul 21, 2019 #23 No, of course not. However, those speakers sound incredible so whatever they are doing, it works. Reactions: sven1olaf
S shadyJ Speaker of the House Staff member Oct 16, 2006 12,053 0 113 Jul 21, 2019 #24 KenM10759 said: Yeah, same crew must be designing loudspeakers over at Dynaudio. Idiots. Click to expand... Yeah, or also that big dummy-head, Dr. Joseph D'Appolito, MIT graduate, the guy who literally wrote the book on testing loudspeakers, one of the most respected and admired loudspeaker designers, for whom a widely used driver topology is actually named after, with his vaunted D'Appolito MTM design, what does he know? I always suspected he was all wrong, but it's good to finally have that suspicion confirmed! Reactions: sven1olaf, Phase 2, ryanosaur and 2 others
KenM10759 said: Yeah, same crew must be designing loudspeakers over at Dynaudio. Idiots. Click to expand... Yeah, or also that big dummy-head, Dr. Joseph D'Appolito, MIT graduate, the guy who literally wrote the book on testing loudspeakers, one of the most respected and admired loudspeaker designers, for whom a widely used driver topology is actually named after, with his vaunted D'Appolito MTM design, what does he know? I always suspected he was all wrong, but it's good to finally have that suspicion confirmed!
Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Dec 29, 2006 18,125 0 113 Nunya Bidness Jul 21, 2019 #25 shadyJ said: I was horrifically inarticulate in that video! Click to expand... Don't be so hard on yourself, that's our job. You did a good job describing various characteristics and placement strategies. Way to go. Reactions: sven1olaf and shadyJ
shadyJ said: I was horrifically inarticulate in that video! Click to expand... Don't be so hard on yourself, that's our job. You did a good job describing various characteristics and placement strategies. Way to go.
R Russdawg1 Full Audioholic Nov 21, 2018 402 0 28 Jul 21, 2019 #26 Kursun said: Do you think since Dynaudio guys have designed their speaker with twin mid-range drivers this changes the law of physics? Click to expand... What are these “laws of physics” you speak of, and how does a dual midrange break them? Sir Isaac Newton would be pretty happy listening to these speakers if I may say so myself. Reactions: AcuDefTechGuy and KenM10759
Kursun said: Do you think since Dynaudio guys have designed their speaker with twin mid-range drivers this changes the law of physics? Click to expand... What are these “laws of physics” you speak of, and how does a dual midrange break them? Sir Isaac Newton would be pretty happy listening to these speakers if I may say so myself.
gene Audioholics Master Chief Administrator Jul 1, 2002 10,225 0 120 52 Florida www.audioholics.com Jul 21, 2019 #27 Kursun said: Do you think since Dynaudio guys have designed their speaker with twin mid-range drivers this changes the law of physics? Click to expand... You seem to be suffering from a cognitive bias known as Dunning-Kruger effect. It's distorting (pun intended) your perception and understanding of basic physics. Reactions: sven1olaf, Phase 2 and lovinthehd
Kursun said: Do you think since Dynaudio guys have designed their speaker with twin mid-range drivers this changes the law of physics? Click to expand... You seem to be suffering from a cognitive bias known as Dunning-Kruger effect. It's distorting (pun intended) your perception and understanding of basic physics.
ryanosaur Audioholic Overlord Sep 14, 2018 11,686 0 113 Jul 21, 2019 #28 Reactions: sven1olaf, Phase 2 and lovinthehd
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,872 0 113 Oakridge, OR Jul 21, 2019 #29 Methinks @Kursun has some learning to do.... Reactions: sven1olaf and Phase 2
B Beave Audioholic Chief Nov 23, 2015 791 0 43 Jul 21, 2019 #30 ichigo said: A 10K tower competition would be great. Harman recently had an internal competition with the Magico A3, Revel F228Be, and Paradigm Persona 3F and "surprise" the Revel speaker won. A legit 3rd party test would seem less dubious. Click to expand... IMO, their methodology is sound (pun!). The dubious part is that they appear to cherry-pick the competitor speakers, always picking speakers with wonky measurements. That way, it's no surprise the Revels win. Why don't they ever test their own speakers against the truly good competing models? Why no shootout against the PSB Imagine T3 or KEF Reference or Salk or ...? Reactions: gene
ichigo said: A 10K tower competition would be great. Harman recently had an internal competition with the Magico A3, Revel F228Be, and Paradigm Persona 3F and "surprise" the Revel speaker won. A legit 3rd party test would seem less dubious. Click to expand... IMO, their methodology is sound (pun!). The dubious part is that they appear to cherry-pick the competitor speakers, always picking speakers with wonky measurements. That way, it's no surprise the Revels win. Why don't they ever test their own speakers against the truly good competing models? Why no shootout against the PSB Imagine T3 or KEF Reference or Salk or ...?
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,872 0 113 Oakridge, OR Jul 21, 2019 #31 I'd like to see more in the same pricepoint rather than the 10k one. Or a good diy comparison, which is a different value consideration altogether, but likely better than the 10k pair (let alone each).... Reactions: Pogre and ryanosaur
I'd like to see more in the same pricepoint rather than the 10k one. Or a good diy comparison, which is a different value consideration altogether, but likely better than the 10k pair (let alone each)....
Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Dec 29, 2006 18,125 0 113 Nunya Bidness Jul 22, 2019 #32 Beave said: Why don't they ever test their own speakers against the truly good competing models? Click to expand... They have tested against truly more expensive models with the Primus 360 but the contention then was that it was at an SPL the Infinity was maxing out at and the more expensive speaker was presumably easily handling. There's always a flaw in the testing procedure. However what Harman did establish is that their speaker sounded good at a set volume and at a set price point. It's like the 'good speaker' thing takes a back seat to the 'sold speaker' thing. Last edited: Jul 22, 2019
Beave said: Why don't they ever test their own speakers against the truly good competing models? Click to expand... They have tested against truly more expensive models with the Primus 360 but the contention then was that it was at an SPL the Infinity was maxing out at and the more expensive speaker was presumably easily handling. There's always a flaw in the testing procedure. However what Harman did establish is that their speaker sounded good at a set volume and at a set price point. It's like the 'good speaker' thing takes a back seat to the 'sold speaker' thing.
Trell Audioholic Spartan Dec 12, 2018 7,073 0 63 ::1 Jul 22, 2019 #33 Alex2507 said: [blank post] Click to expand... You got something to say? Reactions: KEW
Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Dec 29, 2006 18,125 0 113 Nunya Bidness Jul 22, 2019 #34 Trell said: You got something to say? Click to expand... It took awhile. Reactions: Trell and KEW
WookieGR Full Audioholic Mar 18, 2018 394 0 18 www.youtube.com Jul 22, 2019 #35 Getting annoyed that every review of a Klipsch speakers starts off claiming Klipsch speakers have a reputation of being harsh and then the review proves the opposite. The reason people keep thinking this is because people keep saying it every single time when it's simply not true. Klipsch speakers have been fantastic for a long time and it's only the older low end Best Buy/Magnolia models from generations ago that started the rumor. But people love to keep it going.
Getting annoyed that every review of a Klipsch speakers starts off claiming Klipsch speakers have a reputation of being harsh and then the review proves the opposite. The reason people keep thinking this is because people keep saying it every single time when it's simply not true. Klipsch speakers have been fantastic for a long time and it's only the older low end Best Buy/Magnolia models from generations ago that started the rumor. But people love to keep it going.
B baronvonellis Audioholic Jan 21, 2019 181 0 28 43 Jul 22, 2019 #36 Can you guys review some of the current Salk Speakers? You did a preview of the Song 3 in 2016. When is the full review coming? Reactions: sven1olaf
Can you guys review some of the current Salk Speakers? You did a preview of the Song 3 in 2016. When is the full review coming?
K Kursun Enthusiast Apr 11, 2014 13 0 1 Jul 22, 2019 #37 Russdawg1 said: What are these “laws of physics” you speak of, and how does a dual midrange break them? Sir Isaac Newton would be pretty happy listening to these speakers if I may say so myself. Click to expand... If you don't know anything about interference effect go educate yourself before farting out your opinion.. I don't have time to educate the ignorant. Last edited: Jul 22, 2019 Reactions: sven1olaf
Russdawg1 said: What are these “laws of physics” you speak of, and how does a dual midrange break them? Sir Isaac Newton would be pretty happy listening to these speakers if I may say so myself. Click to expand... If you don't know anything about interference effect go educate yourself before farting out your opinion.. I don't have time to educate the ignorant.
B baronvonellis Audioholic Jan 21, 2019 181 0 28 43 Jul 22, 2019 #38 king2b said: I have had Phase Technology Premier 9.1 tower speakers for years and would never part with them yet they are never counted along with other tower speakers in reviews like the one above. They seem to be a well kept secret which is a shame Click to expand... My Dad had Phase Tech PC speakers since the 90's, I grew up with them and always loved their sound. Then I got a set of 5 channel Phase Tech speaker, I've had for years. They are very good quality speakers. I'd recommend those to anyone as well, you never seem to hear much about them which is a shame. I'm getting a 5 channel Salk system now, but it will be hard to part with the Phase Techs, let me know if anyone needs a good home for a 5 channel Phase Tech system.
king2b said: I have had Phase Technology Premier 9.1 tower speakers for years and would never part with them yet they are never counted along with other tower speakers in reviews like the one above. They seem to be a well kept secret which is a shame Click to expand... My Dad had Phase Tech PC speakers since the 90's, I grew up with them and always loved their sound. Then I got a set of 5 channel Phase Tech speaker, I've had for years. They are very good quality speakers. I'd recommend those to anyone as well, you never seem to hear much about them which is a shame. I'm getting a 5 channel Salk system now, but it will be hard to part with the Phase Techs, let me know if anyone needs a good home for a 5 channel Phase Tech system.
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Jul 22, 2019 #39 Kursun said: If you don't know anything about interference effect go educate yourself. I don't have time to educate you. Click to expand... From the looks of it, you don't have time to educate yourself... Have you heard of D'Appolito? Reactions: sven1olaf, AcuDefTechGuy, KEW and 2 others
Kursun said: If you don't know anything about interference effect go educate yourself. I don't have time to educate you. Click to expand... From the looks of it, you don't have time to educate yourself... Have you heard of D'Appolito?
K Kursun Enthusiast Apr 11, 2014 13 0 1 Jul 22, 2019 #40 Pogre said: From the looks of it, you don't have time to educate yourself... Have you heard of D'Appolito? Click to expand... Of course. I am an engineer. You consider yourself a wise guy? Reactions: sven1olaf
Pogre said: From the looks of it, you don't have time to educate yourself... Have you heard of D'Appolito? Click to expand... Of course. I am an engineer. You consider yourself a wise guy?
