5.1 Surround System w/ $600 Budget

zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
I am also willing to consider waiting a week or two and buying the VTF-2 MK4. It seems that may be the best option to go with, as it'll cover a large room, and handle music correctly. Agreed?
That is the sub I would aim for -

I for sure, would skip the Klipsch sub for music.

Also Pioneer, is one of the best musical speakers, that I have
listened to. Getting towers for $200 is a crazy good deal.
 
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geeks2you

Enthusiast
Done and done. That is 'music' to my ears! Haha. Ok, then the VTF will be my sub. Lastly, any idea on the stands for the rear pioneers? I'd like to order that too.

Also, as per receivers, are the thoughts still with the Denons? The living room isn't easily wireable with cat5e, but maybe if the receiver had wifi I could use the airplay? I'd probably be more inclined to just do an ipod dock and play some tunes that way, if I were to play mp3s. Any better receivers out there for under $400?

As per cabling goes, Hsu offers 25ft nickel plated sub cable for $10 when buying the sub. Is that worth it? Or will just any old RCA cable work? What about speaker wire, what gauge should I get?
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
Done and done. That is 'music' to my ears! Haha. Ok, then the VTF will be my sub. Lastly, any idea on the stands for the rear pioneers? I'd like to order that too.

Also, as per receivers, are the thoughts still with the Denons? The living room isn't easily wireable with cat5e, but maybe if the receiver had wifi I could use the airplay? I'd probably be more inclined to just do an ipod dock and play some tunes that way, if I were to play mp3s. Any better receivers out there for under $400?

As per cabling goes, Hsu offers 25ft nickel plated sub cable for $10 when buying the sub. Is that worth it? Or will just any old RCA cable work? What about speaker wire, what gauge should I get?
One option, look at Sanus NF36B 36" stands for your surrounds.
Amazon.com: Sanus NF36B 36 -Inch Speaker Stands: Electronics

Denon makes good receivers, that measure well >> The 1713
should have airplay. Marantz is also good - and some Pioneer
and Yamaha receivers, are also nice.

There is also the Denon 2112 receiver
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR2112CI/DENON-AVR-2112CI-7.1-Integrated-Network-A/V-Surround-Receiver/1.html

Any 75 ohm digital or video cable, is good for the subwoofer.
 
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geeks2you

Enthusiast
Thanks! So the AVR-1713 is $300, the 1912 is $320, and the 1913 is $350. Any reason to go with the 1713, over the newer models?
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
Thanks! So the AVR-1713 is $300, the 1912 is $320, and the 1913 is $350. Any reason to go with the 1713, over the newer models?
I have no real preference - the 1913 would be a nice one also.
 
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geeks2you

Enthusiast
Just wanted to thank everyone for the help they gave me. I took the advice completely to heart and this is what I got:

Speakers:
2 x Pioneer Andrew Jones Designed SP-FS52 Floorstanding Loudspeaker @TigerDirect.com
1 of these Pioneer Andrew Jones Designed SP-C22 Center Channel Speaker @TigerDirect.com
Pioneer Andrew Jones SP-BS22-LR Bookshelf Loudspeaker @TigerDirect.com

Total cost: $400

Sub:
HSU VTF-2 MK4 Subwoofer
20 Ft Cable from HSU
Total Cost $630

Receiver:
Denon AVR-1913 @accessories4less.com
Total Cost: $367.26
(This was my mistake, as after ordering I found out that only the 1712 and 1713 has the Audyssey MultEQ XT, and the 1913 just has the regular Audyssey MultiEQ)

Cabling:
2x HDMI - $10 @ebay
Pyle 14gauge 100ft speaker cable - $32.53 @ebay


Total system cost: $1439.79

Definitely didn't stick to the $600 budget, but I feel that this will be an amazing system based upon everyones recommendations! All of it should arrive by the end of this coming week. Now to decide on which movie to watch first!
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
Ok, the hardest part was making a decision. Now, good luck - have fun and enjoy.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Hey! Congrats! BIG time :D

Yes, I think it's safe to say you're going to LOVE that system. I, for one, am really happy you decided to spring for the VTF-2 MK4 :D Like I mentioned before, it's the least expensive sub right now that I really feel is capable of "doing it all". Any of the less expensive subs have at least one obvious compromise. Certainly not "end of the world" type of compromises or anything. But obvious compromises none the less. The VTF-2 MK4 gets you to a level of bass where "even louder", "even tighter", "even less distortion" are the only genuine improvements to be had. And you have to spend at least double to get them! The VTF-2 MK4 is already "loud, tight, and clean". So it's diminishing returns above the VTF-2 MK4, for sure. And that makes it a landmark product in my book :)

You really, really cannot get better speakers for less money than the Pioneers. I mean, it's $400 for full sized towers, a center and bookshelf surrounds! Are the Ascends even a bit better? In my book, yes. Pretty much all because of the Ascend SE tweeter though. That tweeter hits a level of quality WAY above its price point. At least to my ears. BUT, you're looking at over 3x the price of the Pioneers! A pair of CMT-340SE Mains with the matching stands that make them look like towers, plus the CMT-340SEC Center, and the CBM-170SE bookshelf surrounds wouldn've run you just over $1300 after shipping! So that becomes a MUCH more expensive system. No where even close to your original $600-$1000 budget! The Pioneer speakers allow you to at least keep that original budget within some sort of reasonable difference. And they're good. Not even "for the price" good. Just plain good. "For the price", they're utterly astonishing! So I'm not worried. I'm confident you'll really like them. And what I love most about them is that you can truly learn how to listen critically with them. Being able to do that for $400 is unheard of! Another true landmark. These are tools , not just toys ;)

And finally, I do prefer MultEQ XT and MultEQ XT32 for sure, whenever possible. The only thing the AVR-1913 really adds over the AVR-1713 are two extra amp channels (7 amps in the 1913, 5 amps in the 1713). And, like you pointed out, the 1913 steps DOWN to regular MultEQ, while the 1713 has MultEQ XT.

That said, it's by no means the end of the world. MultEQ and MultEQ XT actually have the same number of measurement points and filters for the bass frequencies. And the bass is definitely where you need the EQ the most. So it's not that big of a deal. I just favor the 1712 and 1713 because they're less expensive AND you get MultEQ XT. But with the 17xx series, you can't have built-in AirPlay/Network connection and 7 amps at the same time. The 1712 has 7 amps, but no AirPlay/Network. The 1713 has Airplay/Network, but only 5 amps.

So that part is a bit wonky. But the 1913 is still a very good receiver! I don't think you'll be disappointed with it at all. But if you're really torn up about it, you can always return it for the 1713 instead. You'd have to pay return shipping and possibly restocking fees though, so I truly don't think it's worth that. The 1913 will serve you well. And hey, if you ever have a setup where you've got about 6 feet of air or more behind your seat, you could expand to a 7 speaker setup :D

So ya done good! I'm REALLY pleased about that subwoofer. You will be too ;)

Enjoy! :D
 
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