4 uls-15 mk2’s vs 4 pb-2000’s

[Reckel]

It’s a lot easier than it was 10 years ago. Using HDMI allows for easy independent channel measurements. I bet in under 20 mins you will be taking measurements. When your ready I can link some simplified tutorials.

Ok thx man I appreciate it. I’ll let you know when I get the mic n rew

 

[Reckel]

It’s a lot easier than it was 10 years ago. Using HDMI allows for easy independent channel measurements. I bet in under 20 mins you will be taking measurements. When your ready I can link some simplified tutorials.

My middle seat and the seat to the right and the front right seat closet to the wall all sound great even with the pl200s. Now my other two seats to the left sound dam good but they’re missing some of the impact that the other three have. I would assume the sound like they do because of the wall and the other two lack a little because that side opens up to the rest of the basement. Would rew fix the two seats or will those two seats always lack a little because of no boundary?

 

[everettT]

My middle seat and the seat to the right and the front right seat closet to the wall all sound great even with the pl200s. Now my other two seats to the left sound dam good but they’re missing some of the impact that the other three have. I would assume the sound like they do because of the wall and the other two lack a little because that side opens up to the rest of the basement. Would rew fix the two seats or will those two seats always lack a little because of no boundary?

REW will show you which frequencies are problematic, from there placement or EQ might be in order. Understanding how your speakers interact with the room is almost as important as their capabilities and sound

 

[2channel lover]

Did you use rew or just use the avr?

Audyessy, I have a 2 seat theater.

 

[snakeeyes]

The sound quality is going to improve even without a ton of tinkering but it’s great to see graphs and get improvements if you have a little time to learn. I’m going down that road soon if I ever get any free time.

 

[Reckel]

The sound quality is going to improve even without a ton of tinkering but it’s great to see graphs and get improvements if you have a little time to learn. I’m going down that road soon if I ever get any free time.

You saying it will improve from the avr or using rew?

 

[snakeeyes]

You saying it will improve from the avr or using rew?

Over your current subs

 

[lovinthehd]

Keep in mind all REW can do with a mic is measure...maybe suggest without a direct way to implement such suggested eq. Many miss this point.

 

[Reckel]

Letting all you guys know I got my vtf3s this afternoon but wasn’t able to set them till late this evening. They’re fricking awesome n scary! I just wanna crank them but I’m kinda scared.
There’s no comparison to the bics and to say I was missing a lot is an understatement. I can’t believe what I’ve been missing. What I’ve got now are “true” subs, man what a difference. They’re just awesome. I could only play for a couple hrs tonight cuz wife went to bed but I’ll be playing rest of weekend, well maybe not tomorrow cuz there’s big college football games on.
Thx to all you guys for any advice you threw my way. Still deciding between max output n max extension mode. Both sound awesome but just haven’t nailed it down yet. Sounds like I’ve got 4 in there now, can’t imagine what four of these would sound like. It’d be more than awesome!

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Love me a “true” subwoofer! Congrats man. Thanks to you, I can’t stop thinking about those damn fv18s!!!
All your movies will be brand new. Your waf is gonna be at redline for awhile huh? Lol

 

[Reckel]

Love me a “true” subwoofer! Congrats man. Thanks to you, I can’t stop thinking about those damn fv18s!!!
All your movies will be brand new. Your waf is gonna be at redline for awhile huh? Lol

You’ll have to get the 18s n let me know how they are. Yes definitely, I’ll get her down there to watch a movie n make her crap her pants!

 

[shadyJ]

Letting all you guys know I got my vtf3s this afternoon but wasn’t able to set them till late this evening. They’re fricking awesome n scary! I just wanna crank them but I’m kinda scared.
There’s no comparison to the bics and to say I was missing a lot is an understatement. I can’t believe what I’ve been missing. What I’ve got now are “true” subs, man what a difference. They’re just awesome. I could only play for a couple hrs tonight cuz wife went to bed but I’ll be playing rest of weekend, well maybe not tomorrow cuz there’s big college football games on.
Thx to all you guys for any advice you threw my way. Still deciding between max output n max extension mode. Both sound awesome but just haven’t nailed it down yet. Sounds like I’ve got 4 in there now, can’t imagine what four of these would sound like. It’d be more than awesome!

Max output mode will give you more output from 25 to 40 Hz. Max extension more will allow the sub to dig down to 18 Hz. I would say if you really want to crank the subs hard, use max output mode. So if you want to impress friends or just rock out, that is what you want to set it in. However if it is movie night and you want to watch something that has deep bass, set it to max extension mode.

One thing to remember is make sure a port is plugged with the EQ switch is set to EQ1! When the VTF-3 is set to 'EQ1', the driver is behaving with the expectation of more backspring pressure at low frequencies (where the rear side of the cone is met with air resistance due to the enclosed nature of the cabinet). When you open up both ports, there is less backspring pressure and so the driver is able to move around much more freely at low frequencies. The 'EQ' switch is partly a filter that prevents the driver from bottoming out when both ports are open. Bottoming out the driver can damage it, and it is not cheap to replace- and may also not be covered under the warranty since it pretty much takes misuse for that to occur. This is explained in the manual, but I think it should be emphasized. When you learn how the sub works, you can use it to its potential much more easily. This sub can be pushed hard with no problem- just make sure the settings are correct before you let her rip!

 

[Reckel]

Maybe you guys can help me on this. I’ve been running ypao in the middle of my two rows with the thinking of having a more even sound for all seats. Should I be running it that way or just measure from my main seat in middle of second row?

 

[Reckel]

Max output mode will give you more output from 25 to 40 Hz. Max extension more will allow the sub to dig down to 18 Hz. I would say if you really want to crank the subs hard, use max output mode. So if you want to impress friends or just rock out, that is what you want to set it in. However if it is movie night and you want to watch something that has deep bass, set it to max extension mode.

One thing to remember is make sure a port is plugged with the EQ switch is set to EQ1! When the VTF-3 is set to 'EQ1', the driver is behaving with the expectation of more backspring pressure at low frequencies (where the rear side of the cone is met with air resistance due to the enclosed nature of the cabinet). When you open up both ports, there is less backspring pressure and so the driver is able to move around much more freely at low frequencies. The 'EQ' switch is partly a filter that prevents the driver from bottoming out when both ports are open. Bottoming out the driver can damage it, and it is not cheap to replace- and may also not be covered under the warranty since it pretty much takes misuse for that to occur. This is explained in the manual, but I think it should be emphasized. When you learn how the sub works, you can use it to its potential much more easily. This sub can be pushed hard with no problem- just make sure the settings are correct before you let her rip!

Yea I’ve got it set in extension now with 3in port closed eq1 n a q of 5. I was being ocd though when changing making sure I had things set right according to manual, didn’t wanna screw anything up on it. They’re awesome subs

 

[shadyJ]

I wouldn't even use YPAO unless there was something amiss in the sound. These room correction equalizers do not necessarily improve the sound. I wouldn't bother using it unless you had a way to measure the before and after effects.

 

[Reckel]

Max output mode will give you more output from 25 to 40 Hz. Max extension more will allow the sub to dig down to 18 Hz. I would say if you really want to crank the subs hard, use max output mode. So if you want to impress friends or just rock out, that is what you want to set it in. However if it is movie night and you want to watch something that has deep bass, set it to max extension mode.

One thing to remember is make sure a port is plugged with the EQ switch is set to EQ1! When the VTF-3 is set to 'EQ1', the driver is behaving with the expectation of more backspring pressure at low frequencies (where the rear side of the cone is met with air resistance due to the enclosed nature of the cabinet). When you open up both ports, there is less backspring pressure and so the driver is able to move around much more freely at low frequencies. The 'EQ' switch is partly a filter that prevents the driver from bottoming out when both ports are open. Bottoming out the driver can damage it, and it is not cheap to replace- and may also not be covered under the warranty since it pretty much takes misuse for that to occur. This is explained in the manual, but I think it should be emphasized. When you learn how the sub works, you can use it to its potential much more easily. This sub can be pushed hard with no problem- just make sure the settings are correct before you let her rip!

What’s your definition of cranking? Reference level? I’m never that loud, usually -15 but listening tonight it seemed like they made everything else sound better to the point where I could go louder if I wanted

 

[Reckel]

I wouldn't even use YPAO unless there was something amiss in the sound. These room correction equalizers do not necessarily improve the sound. I wouldn't bother using it unless you had a way to measure the before and after effects.

I don’t have rew or mic yet so you suggesting just setting it manually and shut any eq off in avr?

 

[2channel lover]

Letting all you guys know I got my vtf3s this afternoon but wasn’t able to set them till late this evening. They’re fricking awesome n scary! I just wanna crank them but I’m kinda scared.
There’s no comparison to the bics and to say I was missing a lot is an understatement. I can’t believe what I’ve been missing. What I’ve got now are “true” subs, man what a difference. They’re just awesome. I could only play for a couple hrs tonight cuz wife went to bed but I’ll be playing rest of weekend, well maybe not tomorrow cuz there’s big college football games on.
Thx to all you guys for any advice you threw my way. Still deciding between max output n max extension mode. Both sound awesome but just haven’t nailed it down yet. Sounds like I’ve got 4 in there now, can’t imagine what four of these would sound like. It’d be more than awesome!

Congrats!!!

 

[shadyJ]

What’s your definition of cranking? Reference level? I’m never that loud, usually -15 but listening tonight it seemed like they made everything else sound better to the point where I could go louder if I wanted

Yes, Reference would be cranking it. The subs can take it, so don't be afraid to go that far. Max output mode will give them a bit more punch than Max Extension mode.

I don’t have rew or mic yet so you suggesting just setting it manually and shut any eq off in avr?

What I would do if I were you is try doing some listening with YPAO on and YPAO off, and stick with whichever one sounded better to you. Don't assume YPAO improves things either, and the same is true with Audyssey, MCACC, and all the other room correction equalizers. The only one I would personally care to deal with is Dirac, and that one is a bit expensive.

 

[Reckel]

Yes, Reference would be cranking it. The subs can take it, so don't be afraid to go that far. Max output mode will give them a bit more punch than Max Extension mode.

What I would do if I were you is try doing some listening with YPAO on and YPAO off, and stick with whichever one sounded better to you. Don't assume YPAO improves things either, and the same is true with Audyssey, MCACC, and all the other room correction equalizers. The only one I would personally care to deal with is Dirac, and that one is a bit expensive.

Ok I’ll try. Man, idk about reference, -15 is loud as hell. They can handle that abuse? Together im running them at 78db. So are you saying to use max mode now?