3 OUTLAW 2200's or OUTLAW 755?

[brandon123]

Hi, my name is Michael. I have the polk rti12- fronts, rti 10-backs, CSi5 - center, PSW505 - sub and I am looking at a quality receiver and amp? I was looking to buy either the Denon 3806 or Yammie 2600. To accompany these receivers I wanted to buy either three separat monblocks outlaw 2200's or the Outlaw 755, do I really need all five channels being amplified or would the three separates be adequate for the front speakers alone? Thanks in advance for your opinions.

My room is 26x10 and the listening area is width to width, so it is only 10"!

 

[Snarl]

In my opinion it's a money/space issue in this case, I had a similar quandry and I went for the 755 for the following reasons;

1 Power Cord
Option to amplify all 5 channels or Bi-Amp mains (I amplified all 5)
I had just enough money to get away with it

BTW it did'nt really do alot for 2 Channel Stereo IMHO as my 3805 put out enough power, where I really noticed the improvement was 5 Channel Stereo at high volume levels, I really like 5 Channel Stereo so it was worth it for me. Also if I ever upgrade Speakers again power won't be an option and if I add more (7.1) I'll use the Denon's Amps for them.

 

[eirepaul]

hey Snarl

I like your system. I intend to upgrade my speakers to something similar to what you have. Paradigm's are just the greatest value.

Michael - If you do not listen at very loud levels ("reference levels" to some people, whatever that means) you really do not need an additional power amp for your receiver. However, if you enjoy listening consistently at very loud levels ("loud" depends on source material, size of room, neighbors, etc.) that really push your receiver to it's limits, then additional amplification will provide that extra headroom you will need. With multi-channel operation this is even more true.

Your receiver choices have plenty of power for loud 2-channel listening or moderate multi-channel listening. I like to listen to a lot of multi-channel music at loud levels in a large room so additional amps make a difference for me.

 

[j_garcia]

A single amp does buy you that single plug for sure, but monoblocks give an individual power supply for that speaker, which can really make a big difference if your speakers need that much power. If you have a large room, the 12s are closer to 4 Ohm than 8 Ohms as listed, based on info from a member here who measured them. In a room that size, you probably won't need an amp though. My previous room was 25x14x10 with Paradigm Monitor 5s, CC370, Titans and a 170 out back with a mid-level receiver and that setup had no problem filling that room.

 

[brandon123]

Hi, and thanks for the advice. Do you think that the Denon 4306 or 4806 would do a better job with my speakers than the 3806? I really want great quality sound and I agree, I probably do not need the amplification since my listening distance is small and I will not be listening to music or movies at incredibly high levels. Your opinion is greatly appreciated! Also, I heard he Yamaha are too bright especially with the Polks, do you agree?

 

[Snarl]

hey Snarl

I like your system. I intend to upgrade my speakers to something similar to what you have. Paradigm's are just the greatest value.

Thanks eirepaul, your right Paradigm does have excellent Sound for the Dollar, I'm very pleased with them.

Hi, and thanks for the advice. Do you think that the Denon 4306 or 4806 would do a better job with my speakers than the 3806? I really want great quality sound and I agree, I probably do not need the amplification since my listening distance is small and I will not be listening to music or movies at incredibly high levels. Your opinion is greatly appreciated! Also, I heard he Yamaha are too bright especially with the Polks, do you agree?

The Polk RTi12- fronts, RTi10-backs, and CSi5 - center are great Speakers but I suspect if you crank all those babies at once the Denon 3806/Yamaha 2600 may struggle a little, the 4806 would most likely be okay but I've never tried it and don't really know. In my opinion the Denons are excellent sounding units with nice clean power. If you want to really crank the volume the seperate Outlaw 755 Amp and Denon 3806 should work great and will most likely cost less than the Denon 4806 as well as put out more power.

 

[tdeluce]

New versions of 770/750

These AMPs appear to be one hell of a steal

I purchased three of the M-2200s yesterday to drive
my LCR speakers using my Denon AVR-4802 as a
pre-pro and to drive my sourrounds.

According to the Outlaw website, it looks like
they will updating the 770/750 to be more like
muliple amp versions of the M-2200...

 

[mulester7]

I purchased three of the M-2200s yesterday to drive
my LCR speakers using my Denon AVR-4802 as a
pre-pro and to drive my sourrounds

.....and why did you go and do a crazy thing like that????....the professor done told us all we need is 50 watts a channel....arf....PLEASE, report back....

 

[Nick250]

.....and why did you go and do a crazy thing like that????....the professor done told us all we need is 50 watts a channel....arf....PLEASE, report back....

IMO the forum is better without snippy sarcastic posts. If it's ment to be a joke it's a bad one.

 

[mulester7]

IMO the forum is better without snippy sarcastic posts. If it's ment to be a joke it's a bad one.

.....Nick, is this the only type post you can add to the forum?....no wait, I forgot about that thrilling report of your hitting 4 ohm Advents with a whopping 30 watts a side back in the 70's....Nick, many guys here at Audioholics have gone to PM's to discuss getting bigger watts for their front three channels, so they won't have to listen to you and a few others desperately defend the amp sections of surround receivers, when your small groupage doesn't have a clue through any experience with bigger watts past 70 or 100, and there's the shame....

.....guys, newbies and oldies alike, most of us here have systems that total 5 to 10 thousand-list already....do yourself and YOUR listening a huge favor, go a little more financial layout, and put some sizable watts on your front three channels, now there it is....let your MOST WORTHY pre-pro surround receiver that you chose for it's options in the pre-pro section, power the surround speakers....this move to bigger watts on the front three channels will have a LARGE effect on helping you be more content with your system and greatly lessen your feelings to upgrade for a long time....less mouths to feed from the amp sections of your surround receiver will improve the sound quality of the surrounds also, for a win-win situation....that move will also help you be more content with your present sub, as you can then back it off a little for more sound quality there also....the sub should only be an extension of the other speakers anyway, not a solo act....some think subs are the answer and look there for upgrades, and they're not the answer....put some quality big-watts on your front three channels, and set them to as large as audibly expedient....it's all about "sound quality", Gentlemenses, and once again, for the HUNDREDTH time, I'm not talking necessarily loud listening levels, but "sound quality".....Nick, sorry to have to rip you to shreds here in front of the readership, but let's have no snot on them sleeves now, young man....and Nick, never forget, sometimes snippy, flippant sarcasm, makes the World go round when truth is being exposed to expedite people waking up and smelling the Folger's.....

.....sure, room conditions come into play somewhat, but once again, unless you live in a concrete house, and in fact have somewhat normal conditions, the most important thing you can do for a system's "sound quality", is strategically applied bigger watts, and I don't care how efficient your speakers are, it still applies.....

.....the registered membership is now 5 figures....Clint and Gene, great job of making this site what it has become....my respect for you two is paramount....you guys please continue to reel in sponsorships, post reports and testing results, we'll continue to let our ears and pocketbooks decide, and together we'll all persue the truth in "audio sound quality".....

 

[Nick250]

Mule, my reply to your post had nothing to do with your belief that lots more power is always better. Hell, you may be right, I don't think so but that was not the point of my post. The point was I found you arrogant in your post and dismissive of another who do did hold the same point as you. It's your lack of respect for other posters here on Audioholics who have different points of views than you that bothers me. Attacking and making fun of others is pretty poor citizenship IMO.

"Nick, sorry to have to rip you to shreds here in front of the readership"

You call that meandering, semi coherent post ripping me to shreds? Get a grip for crying out loud.

 

[mulester7]

Mule, my reply to your post had nothing to do with your belief that lots more power is always better. Hell, you may be right, I don't think so but that was not the point of my post. The point was I found you arrogant in your post and dismissive of another who do did hold the same point as you. It's your lack of respect for other posters here on Audioholics who have different points of views than you that bothers me. Attacking and making fun of others is pretty poor citizenship IMO.

"Nick, sorry to have to rip you to shreds here in front of the readership"

You call that meandering, semi coherent post ripping me to shreds? Get a grip for crying out loud.

....Nick, that was meant for humor, I promise....hey, I can only speak for one of us, but I suspect we're both old farts, and I'd much rather be friends....I apologize if you felt me attacking anyone....I make stern statements when I speak of what I have experienced....the problem is we can only read words....I assure you, I am smiling the whole time....Nick, you have given some solid answers about this hobby on these boards, and I respect you for that....Pyrrho, where you at?......

 

[Nick250]

....Nick, that was meant for humor, I promise....hey, I can only speak for one of us, but I suspect we're both old farts, and I'd much rather be friends....I apologize if you felt me attacking anyone....I make stern statements when I speak of what I have experienced....the problem is we can only read words....I assure you, I am smiling the whole time....Nick, you have given some solid answers about this hobby on these boards, and I respect you for that....Pyrrho, where you at?......

Mule, apology accepted. Let's put this episode behind us and move foward.

 

[Duffinator]

IMO the forum is better without snippy sarcastic posts. If it's ment to be a joke it's a bad one.

I enjoy the remarks myself.

Brandon123, here's a thought. Buy the receiver and speakers and hook up your new system. Listen to if for a month and see how you like the sound quality and volume levels. If the receiver you purchased is not meeting your expectations then buy an external amp.

 

[Snarl]

Brandon123, here's a thought. Buy the receiver and speakers and hook up your new system. Listen to if for a month and see how you like the sound quality and volume levels. If the receiver you purchased is not meeting your expectations then buy an external amp.

Probably the best recommendation made

 

[eirepaul]

Exactly - that is the best thing you can do.

 

[mulester7]

IBrandon123, here's a thought. Buy the receiver and speakers and hook up your new system. Listen to if for a month and see how you like the sound quality and volume levels. If the receiver you purchased is not meeting your expectations then buy an external amp.

.....The Duffinator, I offer a variation....I advise Brandon to get the receiver and speakers and work them hard for a month, listening to the system from every conceivable angle establishing favorite CD selections ....then get a three channel-200 watts per at 8 amp for the front three and compare....I venture to say the amp won't be shipped back....in this area I'm going to say you don't realize what you don't have until you have it, even though you thought you were content with what you had....guys, these self-proclaimed audiophiles have seperates for each seperate, and spend somewhere around 30 to 50 thousand on their stuff, or so I've had that figure shot at me....this is a QUALITY working man's system being suggested....a QUALITY pre-pro receiver that pushes only four surround speakers, and at least 200 per at 8 on the front three channels.....until you've heard this combination in your theater at even moderate levels up to Hoedown levels, haha, you simply don't know....Brandon, you'll keep the three channel amp and fight anyone who says different, I don't care how sensitive your speakers are....enough......

 

[Duffinator]

.....The Duffinator, I offer a variation....I advise Brandon to get the receiver and speakers and work them hard for a month, listening to the system from every conceivable angle establishing favorite CD selections ....then get a three channel-200 watts per at 8 amp for the front three and compare....I venture to say the amp won't be shipped back....in this area I'm going to say you don't realize what you don't have until you have it, even though you thought you were content with what you had....guys, these self-proclaimed audiophiles have seperates for each seperate, and spend somewhere around 30 to 50 thousand on their stuff, or so I've had that figure shot at me....this is a QUALITY working man's system being suggested....a QUALITY pre-pro receiver that pushes only four surround speakers, and at least 200 per at 8 on the front three channels.....until you've heard this combination in your theater at even moderate levels up to Hoedown levels, haha, you simply don't know....Brandon, you'll keep the three channel amp and fight anyone who says different, I don't care how sensitive your speakers are....enough......

Sounds fair enough. Although I'm somewhat suspect of the return on money spent on a seperate amp, the law of diminishing returns is applicable here, I know I'll be trying what you suggest sometime in the future and most likely sooner that later. I have a friend with one of those systems you refer to with B&K monoblocks and it sounds amazing. But he also has some expensive KEF's to go with them. One things for sure, this sure is fun!

 

[brandon123]

Hi, gentleman! I really appreciate your advice and the time you spent broaching the subject. Just to let everyone know, I just bought the Denon AVR-4806, 3 Outlaw 2200 monoblocks and a Denon 3910! What does everyone think of that combination? Wow, it took three months of research but I can't wait to listen to everything together!

 

[jaxvon]

That's quite a combo! That will sound AWESOME! I think you'll be quite satisfied with what you have there. Better hope your neighbors like your taste in music though...