$2000/pr Floorstanders

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mtrot

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#21
Another speaker around that price to check out would be the Focal Aria 926. And used sets of Aria 936 are starting to show up at around $2,500.
 
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NorCalRP

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#22
Aperion has a 60-day in-home trial period, with free shipping both ways, so it's easy to give them a try. Never heard the towers but I've loved my Verus Grand bookshelves.
Are there any brick and mortar brands you'd compare them to?
 
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tmurnin

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#23
Are there any brick and mortar brands you'd compare them to?
Its hard for me to compare speakers unless I’m side by side with them. I just think they’re an incredibly enjoyable, neutral speaker that doesn’t get in the way of the music. They aren’t gimmicky or anything, they just have a great all-around sound to me.
 
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NorCalRP

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#24
Yesterday after work I went to the local Magnolia showroom. I went to listen to the ML Motion 40's. When I started I notice that the highs were nice a "breezy". I attribute it to the AMT. The bass seemed slightly anemic, but I didn't view that as an issue due to having 2 subs and subwoofer level adjust on my receiver to bring the bass down from movie settings to music settings. I switched over to the Motion 60's and may have cost myself $500. With a larger mid and AMT the highs sounded "fuller", yet still breezy. Cymbals and saxophones sounded more true to life. Of course with 2 8" woofers the bass was significantly better, but it was the upper octaves that caught my ear.

For shots and giggles I tried some B&W towers. They sounded good, but were more in your face brutish. I'm glad I did, however, because I would have wondered about them.

Not having had the benefit of an A/B I think I like the sound of the Tritons more than the Motions (especially the 40's, but ensure of the 60's). It might be worth grabbing the 60's from Crutchfield and taking them to A/B the Tritons. The $75 return would be negligible compared to spending $1000 more on them.

I feel like I'm definitely going to try the Impressions. Being favorably compared within the category and being right around $2000 for the LCR if I got for the Phantom finish sounds like a damn good option.
 
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ryanosaur

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#25
RE: Aperion... talked to them yesterday (I think, maybe day before, regardless...) if you buy during their sale, you DO NOT get the same return policy and would have to send back on your own dime. I was considering the Verus III Grands, 7.0 set up. Kinda made me reconsider SVS Ultras... maybe a litle more, but I can use Prime Books or Satalites and really bring the whole kit price down, without sacrificing returnability.
 
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ryanosaur

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#26
(Just for kicks, Monitor Audio Silver 300s review very favorably... right at your price point. I'm auditioning the 500's next week. Am considering them with the center 350 and 100s for possible 7.0 kit.)
 
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NorCalRP

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#27
(Just for kicks, Monitor Audio Silver 300s review very favorably... right at your price point. I'm auditioning the 500's next week. Am considering them with the center 350 and 100s for possible 7.0 kit.)
Yeah, I'll be checking them out at my local shop:D
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

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#28
I have no doubt those are excellent speakers, but all speaker design is a matter of trade-offs, so to say that one speaker owns it is over-stating any of the available speakers at this price point. All of these speakers are made by very competent engineers who had to decide on where to place relative strengths and weaknesses. They may be just the right speakers for you at this price point, but I could how others might prefer the different strengths of other designs.
I think that statement is more interesting than the discussion at large.

Can we agree that there are "better" and "worse" speakers in a general sense? If not: go buy the cheapest things you can find.

Assuming we can: are you asserting that all pricing is determined identically? That is to say, all $100 speakers are equally good and all $10,000 speakers are equally good (it's just a matter of trade-offs)? In that case: we must conclude (per point #1 above) you can tell how good a speaker is purely by price.

Do competent engineers design $500 power cables?

You aren't exactly wrong; but I'm not convinced that you are right either. I've seen too much time/effort/money put into trade-offs that don't yield subjectively better results; I've seen too much mark-up built around brand name or creating exclusivity; and I've seen too many times where the trade-offs only pay dividends in very specific (and generally unrealistic) conditions.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

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#29
Just yesterday I went to audition the new Paradigm Premier 800f's. I have Mini Monitor v7's across the front. I have always like the sound of Paradigms. I then listened to the GoldenEar Triton 5's. I was really impressed and liked them quite a bit more for various reasons. I started reading as many reviews on them as I could find. They were cited as competition for the Martin Logan Motion 40's, Monitor Audio Silver 8's, PSB Imagine T's, and the SVS Ultras.
Sadly: all I can really offer is more options to add to potential confusion. Salk, Philharmonic, used B&W 802s... hell: Infinity RSIIIbs if you can find a decent pair... but I love exploring old treasures.

Perhaps it would help to understand what you are looking for. Why are you after floor-standing speakers? Is it aesthetics or because you are after full-range speakers (maybe I should have suggested used 801s). Big or small room? How important is appearance? Single listener or multiple? Music? How much control do you have over positioning (do you need a position tolerant speaker, or can you deal with dipoles and the like)?
 
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Danzilla31

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#30
Don't worry about speaker break in as you shop for speakers. If it's a real thing at all, it can only affect sound quality in a minor way.

Enough people have made systematic efforts to hear if speaker break in occurs, only to conclude that they couldn't hear it or measure it. All those claims about speaker break in are probably heavily exaggerated, if they are true at all.
I used to believe completely in speaker break in but as I've gone farther into this hobby I love so much I'm realizing for myself that I believe the break in period is simply my ears adjusting to the new way the new speakers present sound to me. I actually had a similar situation when I turned Audyssey off for awhile there were changes in the sound and it did take days of getting used to it and playing a lot of stuff before I could decide which type of listening mode I preferred
 
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Danzilla31

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#31
Yeah, I'll be checking them out at my local shop:D
Going back to some of your original observations I first auditioned the triton 7's and then the SVS Primes as my starter speakers before I'll trade up. I ended up liking the primes better not because they are better but because they appealed to my specific listening tastes a little more. So I can understand why you might lean more towards one speaker then another. Like Shady said they all have there strengths and weaknesses. And they all because of this are going to appeal to us in different ways.

I think your going about the right way audition everything that you can realistically get your hands on that has the return policies. Especially in your own room. That way you have no regrets you left something out there you'd always wonder about. When you've auditioned enough you'll know the one because your mind will keep going back to it.

Good luck! Looking forward to hearing about what you choose
 
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Swerd

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#32
I used to believe completely in speaker break in but as I've gone farther into this hobby I love so much I'm realizing for myself that I believe the break in period is simply my ears adjusting to the new way the new speakers present sound to me.
Yes. Of course its our brain that must adjust, not our ears ;).
I actually had a similar situation when I turned Audyssey off for awhile there were changes in the sound and it did take days of getting used to it and playing a lot of stuff before I could decide which type of listening mode I preferred
That's a good point. No one could argue that speakers must break in again once you've turned off Audyssey.
 
charmerci

charmerci

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#33
Assuming we can: are you asserting that all pricing is determined identically? That is to say, all $100 speakers are equally good and all $10,000 speakers are equally good (it's just a matter of trade-offs)? In that case: we must conclude (per point #1 above) you can tell how good a speaker is purely by price.
Well in my case (assuming some other audiophiles feel the same),there are certain sound qualities that people can tolerate or not tolerate at whatever price level. For me, I generally need a speaker that gently rolls off their highs and upper midrange because I can't tolerate harshness in those frequencies.

But also volume levels make a difference. I'm perfectly happy listening to a tabletop radio - until you turn it up. (Distortion!) ARGH!
 
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snakeeyes

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#34
Well in my case (assuming some other audiophiles feel the same),there are certain sound qualities that people can tolerate or not tolerate at whatever price level. For me, I generally need a speaker that gently rolls off their highs and upper midrange because I can't tolerate harshness in those frequencies.

But also volume levels make a difference. I'm perfectly happy listening to a tabletop radio - until you turn it up. (Distortion!) ARGH!
Noise from cheap cabinets is what bothers me the most in the low price range. Too many trade offs and considering the many years of use a speaker can provide, why not spend a little more? :)
 

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