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  1. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    The Scan Speak 9500 has one of the lowest resonance frequencies I've seen in a tweeter (around 600Hz I believe) and yet nobody I know of uses a first order filter on it. But if that is B&W's claim then so be it. It's weird that I see no resistor pad down on their tweet in the schematic. I need...
  2. gene

    Revealing Flaws in the Loudspeaker Demo & Double Blind Test

    It also needs to be conducted by a panel of listeners NOT without familiarity bias. The listeners should be able to repeat these listening sessions over a course of several days to see how their opinions change over time. Seriously how crazy do we really have to get with listening tests. Any...
  3. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    Harman is right on the money with this! I don't buy into "we use 1st order networks or NO network at all to yield better phase response, or keep in the magic pixie dust to better preserve the fidelity :) That being said, you can use lower than 4th order networks if the drivers are robust...
  4. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    Without seeing the schematic, the 1st example looks like 2nd order networks to me. Each driver has an LC element connected in the crossover though I may be mistaken. Some companies will claim to use 1st order networks but upon closer inspection they are often higher order or most complex...
  5. gene

    Revealing Flaws in the Loudspeaker Demo & Double Blind Test

    Very true on all accounts! I proposed to EMP a business model like Build a Bear where you can customize your speaker by choosing a series of upgrade options in drivers, crossovers, etc. You then get a speaker with a birth certificate with measurements and a statement they were custom built...
  6. gene

    Revealing Flaws in the Loudspeaker Demo & Double Blind Test

    I meant dull in the context of comparing a tonally neutral speaker to a bright one. I have heard many speakers over the years that have an elevated top end that at first listen appear to sound more revealing but overtime very fatiguing and unnatural sounding.
  7. gene

    Revealing Flaws in the Loudspeaker Demo & Double Blind Test

    The bottom line is you have to spend a good amount of time with a speaker to ultimately determine if you like how it sounds. A bright/bassy speaker will initially sound better than a neutral speaker in short sighted or blind tests. Try living with a bright speaker over a course of a few...
  8. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    Power response is typically done anechoic in 10-15deg increments spherically around the speaker. The averaged results are then weighted according to the proportional area of the sphere represented by each measurement. There is a really good article on this I’d love to attach but I haven’t...
  9. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    I agree. Also just how much sidewall reflection do you really want? It is definitely a balancing act. It's funny. Years ago when I was setting up my theater system in my family room, (long before Toole's book came out), I decided to put absorption on the sidewalls b/c classically that was...
  10. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    Emotiva takes its time to design quality crossovers that don't display any nasty low impedance dips and they employ good parts and layout. Vance Dickinson does their crossover work and he is considered a legend in the field.
  11. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    Sidewall reflections are beneficial NOT detrimental. I agree most people stick their couches against the backwall which is bad for smooth bass response and a realistic surround field.
  12. gene

    Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers

    Early reflections dominate in small rooms as per Dr. Floyd Toole's extensive research. Of course a speaker exhibiting a smooth and even power response will also likely produce good early reflections since its off axis response is consistent.
  13. gene

    Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 (DD18+) Subwoofer Review

    DS-21; I had Floyd Toole look over this thread personally and here is what he had to say: As you can see, you are not properly presenting and interpreting his research. SFM is a tool to help open up more placement flexibility but it doesn't negate proper positioning of the subs in the room...
  14. gene

    Energy S10.3 vs EMP ES10i

    I installed this EMP sub for a friend in his bedroom system using a pair of EMP e55Ti towers. The combo produced excellent results with plenty of deep and tight bass for music. It's a great deal. Merry XMAS to you!
  15. gene

    Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 (DD18+) Subwoofer Review

    DS-21; If you have Dr. Floyd Toole's book "Sound Reproduction", I suggest you read Chapter 13. This chapter is very clear about optimal positioning of subs in a room to smooth out bass response. As far as my understanding of ARCOS & SFM, the system will actually measure the room and suggest...
  16. gene

    Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 (DD18+) Subwoofer Review

    That is very true and hence reaffirms my point about averaging multiple measurements. I do agree that we typically want to correct only low Q bass problems but you still need high resolution data to accurately do this. I make a series of closely spaced measurements and use LMS which can apply...
  17. gene

    Outlaw LFM-1 EX

    1. Don't trust Audyssey. Try getting the bass to sound right without it first. 2. Marantz has bass level settings per surround mode (ie. 2CH, 7CH, PLIIX, etc). I found this out the hard way myself. Make sure the sub level is set where you want it for each of those modes. 3. Experiment with...
  18. gene

    Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 (DD18+) Subwoofer Review

    You like to quote Dr. Floyd Toole's book but did you actually read it? I doubt you did else you wouldn't be making the argument that measuring with 1/3rd octave resolution is "enough". I need not reinvent the wheel when masters like Floyd Toole have already done so. If you really want to know...
  19. gene

    Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 (DD18+) Subwoofer Review

    Velodyne has always been very vague about this. They claim they purposely smooth the measurements to 1/3rd octave to make it easier for the average consumer to understand. Personally I believe their measurement system is simply limited in resolution to take anything better than 1/3rd octave...
  20. gene

    Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 18 (DD18+) Subwoofer Review

    The Audyssey measurement displays from their system is equally if not more useless than the measurement display of the SMS-1. The Audyssey displayed measurements are theoretical so actually they are worse. The reality is consumers like to see smooth graphs. As Colonel Jessup used to say "You...
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