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I agree with the 'can' part. Yes, which we covered already - ie unless the amplifier is driven into nonlinear behaviour... Of course if an amp is clipping then it can sound different. The comparison would then be invalid as the conditions under test are unequal. IME, strong influences on...

If it's a proctored DBT then sure, it would suffice.

Audiophiles have been claiming for ages that each amplifier has its own specific sound that is not related to "simple" measurements. Frequency response is the most simple of them all. If you cannot distinguish an expensive audiophile amp because you made the other amp's frequency response...

No worries. :D

That can happen when people don't read what is written and erect straw man positions out of thin air. Par for the course in these discussions.

Measurements, unless correlating to audibility, are just numbers. Below a readily achievable point, lower measurable performance has no correlation to audible sound quality. I've explained this to you very clearly but you still can't grasp this rather basic concept. Audiophiles who claim XYZ...

Amps can sound different. Amps can clip and distort. Some amps can have very high output impedance. However many amps don't, and if they are operating below clipping in non-sighted conditions they are likely to sound the same which is what prior subjective controlled testing has confirmed. No...

Who is clinging to published specs? Who claims *all* amps sound the same? Controlled tests involving actual music, not 1 kHz test tones in highly pathological situations, have been done. For decades. Audiophiles fail time and again, and again, and again, again ... etc. After a while a pattern...

It wouldn't matter, because people don't listen to pure tones. It's far easier to detect all manner of sonic maladies with single tones that go completely unnoticed when listening to music. Their testing is not representative of actual real-world use.

Let me get this straight. Their success rate was based on listening to a 1 kHz tone? :) As far as I can tell, no music was involved which is what actually matters. That's hilarious. Zero evidence to show that their amplifier sounds better/different in the "1st watt" listening to musical...

Link to these results can be found where?

Are we talking new or second hand? An older Denon AVR-1200W will do. That's about +- 2 years old.

Experience in subjective testing and the mountains of failed results from audiophiles over the decades. I don't care about your claimed hearing skills. You could be a world famous golden-ear and I wouldn't care one whit. :) What I do care about is people supporting their claims. You...

Can someone knowledgeable in subjective testing go to <eargiants home, bring a $300 AVR, voltage-match it against his Benchmark at a volume of his choosing provided no clipping is taking place, double-blind, or at the very least single blind? He can listen to his own music, using his own...

Nice red herring. We are discussing your "tests", not John Siau and the lack of any volume-matching in your so-called "comparison" discredits your results and conclusions whether you are cognisant of this or not. Level-matching electronics is not done via an SPL meter so you are just...

But you aren't just listening. You are ... peeking, knowing, expecting ... level mismatches, etc, etc, etc. Your "listening" evaluations are so full of bias and prejudice and obvious systematic errors to be worthless for judging sound quality. Where is your "incontrovertible" evidence? :)...

Ironically in the courtroom your claims would be dismissed for lack of evidence. You may even be fined for wasting the courts time. :)

You don't need to convince me. I believe you. However there are many strong influences that can lead to that conclusion and they are : 1) Sighted bias - knowing you are listening to an AVR/stereo amp can lead to all sorts of conclusions that agree with your expectations and preconceived notions...

Conventional audiophile wisdom is that 2 channel amps excel with music while AVR's excel with movies. This conventional wisdom gets to be wrong! For starters, and this is a very important point, there is zero audibility data supporting the audiophile notion that an AVR is sonically compromised...

Placed an order for one. Can't wait. :) Looking forward to the Audyssey app...