Good yachts

[haraldo]

Is this a good boat or what ?

Doing 61 knots in a 140 feet yacht is quite good

 

[BMXTRIX]

30 million dollars...

Better start saving my pennies.

 

[MidnightSensi2]

Great story. It's cool to see people trying to push boundaries.

Problem with a boat like that, is in rough water, you better slow down. Non stepped plaining hulls (they run on 'top' of the water, basically), tend to have their center of gravity far enough back where when they go off a wave, the stern comes down first, tripping the boat and causing it to nose dive/stuff. On a large boat, this is a huge problem (structurally and also for the stuff you put on them, like refrigerators, wine, glasses, tvs, furniture, etc lol)

Rather have a big boat and then a Cigarette as a tender!:

Plus they didn't forget the sound system

 

[haraldo]

Good thoughts Sensi... Another aspect of all this hi-tec honeycomb with carbon fibre everywhere is that.... when it breaks, it breaks really hard and disastrous and you can quickly get into extremely serious trouble, like; life threatening. Kevlar does not have the same weight/strength ratio but it's much tougher and breaks 'more gently' making it safer

 

[MidnightSensi2]

30 million dollars...

Better start saving my pennies.

And rule of thumb is 10% of purchase price per year to maintain. That doesn't include fuel, staff, food, supplies, etc. Captains are normally $1,000 per foot/yr. So, figure 130,000 just for the captains salary. That goes to his/her bank. While on board all their food, clothing, etc. is paid for.

Then, after a captain, you'd need a engineer (another 100k) and 2 for deck crew. So, 4 just to keep it maintained, docked, the 4 would be washing and maintaining the boat constantly. Deck hands get 40-60k per year, depending on experience and job. Usually when they find good deckhands, they end up paying more to keep them.

With people on board / the owner and guests, you add a chef, server (two for a big group), and housekeeper. Chefs are expensive, I know a few making 100k a year. If in a place like Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, St. Tropez, Malta, and other boating destinations can usually get temp ones, but, still expensive for the week or whatever to use them. Sometimes one of the deck hands or crew members double as a chef, then just for fancy stuff at night they hire someone.

Also have docking fees, electrical, etc. Not sure what rates are around the world, but, here its between $3/ft - $10/ft per night, depending where you are. That's per night. hehe.

It's incredible the cost of ownership. I always tell people to charter. Yes, you pay $50-60,000 for a week (maybe 30k for just a weekend), before fuel, food & utilities, but thats nothing compared to owning one.

*Source: Grew up working on them

 

[MidnightSensi2]

Good thoughts Sensi... Another aspect of all this hi-tec honeycomb with carbon fibre everywhere is that.... when it breaks, it breaks really hard and disastrous and you can quickly get into extremely serious trouble, like; life threatening. Kevlar does not have the same weight/strength ratio but it's much tougher and breaks 'more gently' making it safer

Yeah, honeycomb is a complete mess to fix. Boat like that, one whack at the dock, and 'oh nooo...' Becomes where you have to cut out a larger area, then insert new honeycomb, then re-laminate, and finish. Hope that the exotherm doesn't cause the repair to show (hint: it will lol)

Carbon fiber makes them ride like **** (rough). Also generally a boats strength isn't needed along the surface panels, it's needed in the framing (bulkheads and stringers). Hybrid composites are usually best. Can run some carbon on top of stringers, etc. Completely carbon boats generally don't make sense. Carbon is great for small parts though, like doors and hatches... allows you to run less hydraulics, etc. Also up top lowers your CG. I like carbon parts for non-structural pieces on boats. Honeycomb is great for interior cabinets too (similar to an airplane).

A well made foam or balsa core boat with S or E glass is the way to go. And you can make a 130-ft no problem that way. Kevlar is super strong, can be used where needed. Like you said, it's failure mode is much less dramatic. It also requires special drill bits and such to machine/mount to after curing.

 

[MidnightSensi2]

Oh, looks like they just used honeycomb on interior. That's typical.

The hull is probably aluminum.

None of the shots show it actually on plane, it seems like it can't get over the hump. Hence, they're just plowing rather than getting the ~30%+ benefit of efficiency from being on plane (such as a twin step hull).

Real fast boats you see the water running much further back.

Then since they can't get it out of the hole, they're props are just cavitating and steering becomes a problem. Hehe. Seen all this before. Could have saved this guy some money haha. Again, cool the guy wanted to do something different though. Gotta appreciate that.

 

[MidnightSensi2]

JL Audio Marine...

 

[haraldo]

wow, you're on a really good wave today Sensi

 

[haraldo]

With an engineer's paycheck..... 2 revs on the propellers would burn so much fuel it would take me a month's salary to pay for it.....LOL

 

[haraldo]

They use honeycomb and hi-tech composites EVERYWHERE in order to save weight, the quest for weight loss seems to be almost the same extreme as in an AC72 catamaran

I have been in Nokia, the Whitbread 60, and that's quite an extreme sailboat but I'm not sure it's the same crazy extreme as this boat in this thread....

In the whitbread 60's an VO70's it was not this NASA grade composites in every corner of the boat....
This is just insane

 

[MidnightSensi2]

Heh, yeah, I dig big boats, little boats, sail boats, powerboats. Boats are cool. Like the last place to feel free. I got a 20' ... but, that's bay or lake hehe. Mostly sits in garage, unfortunately. I run it on the hose to keep it alive. Fiberglass though, so, really only thing I need to maintain is the outdrive and the small block inside.

 

[MidnightSensi2]

They use honeycomb and hi-tech composites EVERYWHERE in order to save weight, the quest for weight loss seems to be almost the same extreme as in an AC72 catamaran

I have been in Nokia, the Whitbread 60, and that's quite an extreme sailboat but I'm not sure it's the same crazy extreme as this boat in this thread....

In the whitbread 60's an VO70's it was not this NASA grade composites in every corner of the boat....
This is just insane

Sailboats are different animals. Those race ones you eat a sandwich before getting on and you'll **** up the race lol.

With a powerboat, if you make them too light, they don't ride well. That said, a lot of race boats you make 'too light' so that you can add weight where you want it on race day (depending on sea conditions). Also so as you burn off fuel you can change the cg.

 

[haraldo]

Sailboats are different animals. .

For sure they are... I still remember how they in the Whitbread Round The World Race cut the handle of toothbrushes in order to save weight, probably they would save 10 grams for a crew with the toothbrushes.... but a total of one kilogram (2 punds) saved would save them a minute across the globe.....

 

[haraldo]

Heh, yeah, I dig big boats, little boats, sail boats, powerboats. Boats are cool. Like the last place to feel free. I got a 20' ... but, that's bay or lake hehe. Mostly sits in garage, unfortunately. I run it on the hose to keep it alive. Fiberglass though, so, really only thing I need to maintain is the outdrive and the small block inside.

I just looooooooooove sailing, and ..... I hate being 2nd in a regatta, LOL

I had a boat like this.... most fun I ever had in a boat

 

[ImcLoud]

a good friend of mine has a 50ft twin engine/ sail catamaran its like 1000 sq ft apartment and we spent 9 days on it with them, to figure out boats aren't for me.... I'm a land person, he spends 20k a year on that boat plus the 480k to buy it, and they use it 6 weeks a year, no thanks i can go to vegas for a week, italy for 2 weeks, st johns for 2 weeks and spend the other week resting getting massages and drinks brought to me, and only spend 12k a year with no half million dollar investment...

 

[MidnightSensi2]

a good friend of mine has a 50ft twin engine/ sail catamaran its like 1000 sq ft apartment and we spent 9 days on it with them, to figure out boats aren't for me.... I'm a land person, he spends 20k a year on that boat plus the 480k to buy it, and they use it 6 weeks a year, no thanks i can go to vegas for a week, italy for 2 weeks, st johns for 2 weeks and spend the other week resting getting massages and drinks brought to me, and only spend 12k a year with no half million dollar investment...

Thats not a very big boat. Especially 9 days lol. I wouldn't want to boat after that either.

The people that buy something like a yacht 130-140+ generally either can buy it without it mattering, or wouldn't even consider it. At least, no one I worked for didn't have an airplane or two also. You'd sometimes get the dot com'ers or whatever, and they'd blow through their money, but, for the most part, people commented on it being expensive for them, but, it didn't change their lifestyles and they liked it.

It's their thing, families liked it too. Like family gets to play on the boat, parents enjoying the southern waters or Europe. Charters sometimes get ugly. The coke heads and obnoxious people. See some messed up stuff if you work on one that gets chartered a lot lol. Like cocaine at breakfast.

 

[ImcLoud]

We weren't on the boat the entire time and it had 2 bedrooms, a nice living area, 2 "heads", it was comfortable and nicer than some homes i have been in, I just seen what it cost for that short trip and how much he pays to keep up with that boat, and its not for me.... Granted he has the money, already put all his kids through college and you can't take it with you, but I can think of 20 better things to do with it.... A helicopter for one... A friend of mine has a Bell 222 that is awesome, he has taken me up at least 20 times, and its a blast, plus useful... I know where there is a 1987 bell 206 was private owned and I can get it for under $400K... Problem is I only have 29 bucks in my "helicopter fund" jar, I did have $50 but we bought pizza.

 

[haraldo]

a good friend of mine has a 50ft twin engine/ sail catamaran its like 1000 sq ft apartment and we spent 9 days on it with them, to figure out boats aren't for me.... I'm a land person, he spends 20k a year on that boat plus the 480k to buy it, and they use it 6 weeks a year, no thanks i can go to vegas for a week, italy for 2 weeks, st johns for 2 weeks and spend the other week resting getting massages and drinks brought to me, and only spend 12k a year with no half million dollar investment...

Your friend has a real issue, becausd with such a big investment in a 'holiday home' he has no choice when it comes to vacations. He's limited to his boat and the distance he can travel within a limited time... He will never bd able to go to, say Bora Bora on vacation.

I would much rather have the freedom to travel wherevet I want

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I heard once on a TV show owner of superyacht said that on his typical cruise from NYC to the Bahamas the ship would consume over 40k in fuel cost alone, but this cost is shadowed by cost of booze consumed enroute