Can a sub cause Tinnitis

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asere

Audioholic
Ok, so about 2 months ago I tested my sub with a test cd at 16hz. The driver began to rattle at a volume on the avr around -25. I did the test on and off for maybe 5 minutes total time. A few weeks later I noticed a hissing sound from my right ear. I am 40 and the hearing test shows normal to mild loss. I have tinnitus. Could it be from the test I performed? I normally do not listen loud.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Ok, so about 2 months ago I tested my sub with a test cd at 16hz. The driver began to rattle at a volume on the avr around -25. I did the test on and off for maybe 5 minutes total time. A few weeks later I noticed a hissing sound from my right ear. I am 40 and the hearing test shows normal to mild loss. I have tinnitus. Could it be from the test I performed? I normally do not listen loud.
Sounds unlikely considering it was several weeks between the test and you noticing. Was the hearing loss at 16hz or even close?
 
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asere

Audioholic
Sounds unlikely considering it was several weeks between the test and you noticing. Was the hearing loss at 16hz or even close?
The loss was between 3 to8hz. They did not test higher.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Normally, it takes longer periods of higher frequencies to cause tinnitius. How loud do you listen at other times? Also, things happen when we get older.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
You say that the subwoofer "rattled." Any idea how loud the rattle was? Rattling noises tend to involve frequencies above those normally associated with subwoofers.

As for your specific problem with your hearing, I recommend that you speak with a doctor who specializes in hearing.
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
I was next to a ceramic firetube when it exploded, they estimated the blast at over 200db, it took out all the glass in the lower level of the building {pressure}. I lost my hearing for about 15 hours until it started coming back, then I had ringing for about 6 months, but after about a year all was back to normal... They gave me some stuff to take and drops to use towards the middle of the treatment, I was told untreated I would have had permanent hearing loss...

So the ear will fix itself if treated, but honestly I don't think what you explained cused your problem , the ear specialist I seen told me that 85db for a regular work day {8 hours} will cause damage, and headphones at 100db will cause damage in under 20 minutes, because I told him my diesel excavator is around 89db running but I wear my headphones and listen to music, he said that could be worse...

Take care of your ears, reading music sucks..
 
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asere

Audioholic
You say that the subwoofer "rattled." Any idea how loud the rattle was? Rattling noises tend to involve frequencies above those normally associated with subwoofers.

As for your specific problem with your hearing, I recommend that you speak with a doctor who specializes in hearing.
I am not sure how loud it rattled. The volume was around -25 at the time. I don't blame it so much on the loudness but more on the wave lenghts the sub produces. I actually had an audiologist look at my test results and she said most likely my tinnitus is not from noise exposure simply because from 250hz to 4000hz I am withing normal limits.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I was next to a ceramic firetube when it exploded, they estimated the blast at over 200db, it took out all the glass in the lower level of the building {pressure}. I lost my hearing for about 15 hours until it started coming back, then I had ringing for about 6 months, but after about a year all was back to normal... They gave me some stuff to take and drops to use towards the middle of the treatment, I was told untreated I would have had permanent hearing loss...

So the ear will fix itself if treated, but honestly I don't think what you explained cused your problem , the ear specialist I seen told me that 85db for a regular work day {8 hours} will cause damage, and headphones at 100db will cause damage in under 20 minutes, because I told him my diesel excavator is around 89db running but I wear my headphones and listen to music, he said that could be worse...

Take care of your ears, reading music sucks..
Dang, that sucks. I bet you had no clue what happened at first, probably got really lucky if that is all that you suffered from it.

I'm with you in that I doubt his subwoofer test caused the problem. Refer to OSHA regs for the recommended max db and lengths of exposure, and I'm sure he didn't come anywhere near those levels.
 
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asere

Audioholic
I was next to a ceramic firetube when it exploded, they estimated the blast at over 200db, it took out all the glass in the lower level of the building {pressure}. I lost my hearing for about 15 hours until it started coming back, then I had ringing for about 6 months, but after about a year all was back to normal... They gave me some stuff to take and drops to use towards the middle of the treatment, I was told untreated I would have had permanent hearing loss...

So the ear will fix itself if treated, but honestly I don't think what you explained cused your problem , the ear specialist I seen told me that 85db for a regular work day {8 hours} will cause damage, and headphones at 100db will cause damage in under 20 minutes, because I told him my diesel excavator is around 89db running but I wear my headphones and listen to music, he said that could be worse...

Take care of your ears, reading music sucks..
Man you are lucky to have regained your hearing especially with a blast over 200db. I would get custom made ear plugs to wear around loud noise.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I am not sure how loud it rattled. The volume was around -25 at the time. I don't blame it so much on the loudness but more on the wave lenghts the sub produces. I actually had an audiologist look at my test results and she said most likely my tinnitus is not from noise exposure simply because from 250hz to 4000hz I am withing normal limits.
My guess is that her opinion is more likely to be right than some random guy on the internet guessing based on what you have written. (If not, you are going to the wrong doctor!) People have various hearing problems for a wide range of reasons; excess sound is only one of them. Illnesses, like an ear infection, can also cause hearing loss. I believe that it was illness that caused Beethoven's deafness, but I could be misremembering.

In general, I believe that loud deep bass frequencies tend to do less damage to hearing than equally loud midrange frequencies, but I recommend keeping it all within reasonable limits to avoid unnecessary problems.

Keep in mind, I am no expert on this, so you may wish to read up on this sort of thing for yourself. Your doctor might have some good recommendations, or you can search online, making sure that you are careful about what sites you trust (e.g., the Mayo Clinic is probably trustworthy; some random guy's website may not be).
 
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asere

Audioholic
My guess is that her opinion is more likely to be right than some random guy on the internet guessing based on what you have written. (If not, you are going to the wrong doctor!) People have various hearing problems for a wide range of reasons; excess sound is only one of them. Illnesses, like an ear infection, can also cause hearing loss. I believe that it was illness that caused Beethoven's deafness, but I could be misremembering.

In general, I believe that loud deep bass frequencies tend to do less damage to hearing than equally loud midrange frequencies, but I recommend keeping it all within reasonable limits to avoid unnecessary problems.

Keep in mind, I am no expert on this, so you may wish to read up on this sort of thing for yourself. Your doctor might have some good recommendations, or you can search online, making sure that you are careful about what sites you trust (e.g., the Mayo Clinic is probably trustworthy; some random guy's website may not be).
That is why I am baffled. I never listen at reference level. For music the volume is -30-35 and movies -40 to 50. I am 40 and had an ear infection on the tinnitus ear so who knows.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
My guess is that her opinion is more likely to be right than some random guy on the internet guessing based on what you have written. (If not, you are going to the wrong doctor!) People have various hearing problems for a wide range of reasons; excess sound is only one of them. Illnesses, like an ear infection, can also cause hearing loss. I believe that it was illness that caused Beethoven's deafness, but I could be misremembering.

In general, I believe that loud deep bass frequencies tend to do less damage to hearing than equally loud midrange frequencies, but I recommend keeping it all within reasonable limits to avoid unnecessary problems.

Keep in mind, I am no expert on this, so you may wish to read up on this sort of thing for yourself. Your doctor might have some good recommendations, or you can search online, making sure that you are careful about what sites you trust (e.g., the Mayo Clinic is probably trustworthy; some random guy's website may not be).
Well, I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express....:D
 
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asere

Audioholic
One thing I did forget to mention when I was doing the test with the sub at 16hz the speakers were on not just the sub. I am not sure if any high frequencies came out the speakers or not.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I doubt a sub CAN output high frequencies.

If you haven't yet, you might want to consider vising an ENT specialist if it concerns you that much. That'll do you more good than asking us dummies.
 
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asere

Audioholic
I have seen an ENT. He said tinnitus is a mystery because you can have it with hearing loss and even with perfect hearing. I have mild loss on the high frequency and even with that he is not convinced the tinnitus is from that.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Well then, you now it's not from an infection. Good luck solving your mystery. I'm sure there are other specialists out there that will be more than willing to take your money in search of an answer.

FWIW, you're not the first, nor will you be the last, to get this. Most of us suffer in silence, no pun intended, and don't go whining about it.

Personally, I think for many of us, it's part of the aging process. Now, if you can cure that, please share with us.
 
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avengineer

Banned
I have seen an ENT. He said tinnitus is a mystery because you can have it with hearing loss and even with perfect hearing. I have mild loss on the high frequency and even with that he is not convinced the tinnitus is from that.
I've looked into tinnitus causes and cures, I have it myself, but I'm older than you are. There is often no identifiable cause, and it can occur spontaneously, unprovoked by any sonic event. It also occurs in various ways, sometimes as pure tones, sometimes as hissing. There is no reliable cure, but there are many remedies, some herbal (I haven't tried them). One of the more interesting and promising methods of tinnitus control is through a method of conditioning using custom shaped noise at controlled exposure times and levels. The basic idea is to identify the frequency of the tinnitus, then stimulate the patient with broad spectrum noise at all frequencies except that of the tinnitus. The result is a sort of "reconditioning" of the auditory cortex, and over a period of conditioning in this way, like 6 months to a year, there is a fairly high success rate in reduction or elimination of tinnitus effects. The papers available online are mostly targeted to health professionals, not available to the average guy. None of the old links I saved are still good, so google away, you'll find several patents, devices, and products. The procedure for conditioning requires a detailed study of your hearing and profiling your specific tinnitus. Conditioning devices are small, have their own headphones, timers, etc. And they're expensive. I would caution against anyone attempting the conditioning on their own using personal music players and audio software, though as you can plainly see, it's not really limited by the availability of hardware or software.

edit: footnote: Personally, I can reduce my tinnitus be being well rested and less stressed. If I don't sleep well for a few days, or have something that causes unusually high stress, my tinnitus flares up. I also think that staying hydrated seems to help, though that's hard to confirm.
 
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asere

Audioholic
I've looked into tinnitus causes and cures, I have it myself, but I'm older than you are. There is often no identifiable cause, and it can occur spontaneously, unprovoked by any sonic event. It also occurs in various ways, sometimes as pure tones, sometimes as hissing. There is no reliable cure, but there are many remedies, some herbal (I haven't tried them). One of the more interesting and promising methods of tinnitus control is through a method of conditioning using custom shaped noise at controlled exposure times and levels. The basic idea is to identify the frequency of the tinnitus, then stimulate the patient with broad spectrum noise at all frequencies except that of the tinnitus. The result is a sort of "reconditioning" of the auditory cortex, and over a period of conditioning in this way, like 6 months to a year, there is a fairly high success rate in reduction or elimination of tinnitus effects. The papers available online are mostly targeted to health professionals, not available to the average guy. None of the old links I saved are still good, so google away, you'll find several patents, devices, and products. The procedure for conditioning requires a detailed study of your hearing and profiling your specific tinnitus. Conditioning devices are small, have their own headphones, timers, etc. And they're expensive. I would caution against anyone attempting the conditioning on their own using personal music players and audio software, though as you can plainly see, it's not really limited by the availability of hardware or software.

edit: footnote: Personally, I can reduce my tinnitus be being well rested and less stressed. If I don't sleep well for a few days, or have something that causes unusually high stress, my tinnitus flares up. I also think that staying hydrated seems to help, though that's hard to confirm.
Have you tried reconditioning the auditory cortex with a device?
 

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