Connecting Turntable to Phono Stage/preamp

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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
If you have a preamp that is Line only (Cary preamp slp98 L) and you have a turntable...do you need to connect the turntable to a phono stage/phono preamp first then to the regular preamp or does the phono preamp/phono stage take the place of the preamp?

Not sure if phono stage and phono preamp are one in the same..

Thanks.
 
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Grador

Audioholic Field Marshall
Think about it logically, does the phono stage have volume control? If the answer is no then you're going to still need a preamp.
 
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ACsGreens

Full Audioholic
Page 8 of your owners manual states:

PHONO

These jacks are to be used with moving magnet or high
output moving coil cartridges with a recommended
minimum output of 1.4 millivolts.

Which turntable are you using?
 
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Grador

Audioholic Field Marshall
Page 8 of your owners manual states:

PHONO

These jacks are to be used with moving magnet or high
output moving coil cartridges with a recommended
minimum output of 1.4 millivolts.

Which turntable are you using?
From a quick search it seems that this is available w/o the onboard phono stage, I assume this is the model he has.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
If you have a preamp that is Line only (Cary preamp slp98 L) and you have a turntable...do you need to connect the turntable to a phono stage/phono preamp first then to the regular preamp or does the phono preamp/phono stage take the place of the preamp?

Not sure if phono stage and phono preamp are one in the same..

Thanks.
The L has no RIAA phono stage, but the P version does. Since you have the L version you will also need a phono preamp connected to a line input on your Cary preamp. Since that is a tube preamp you should use a tube phono preamp. The phono amp is required to boost the low output from the cartridge and perform RIAA equalization.

Since this seems to be a fairly high end system, I would get a preamp that can handle both moving magnet and moving coil cartridges.

This one should do the trick.

 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
Thanks Grador. I see some of the less expensive ones for 100-200..that just look like a little box to plug the turntable into then connect to the preamp. Do the more expensive ones have volume control? I know Cary makes one that is in the 1k range but not sure if it has volume control..its just called a Phonopreamp.
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
Thanks TLS Guy...the guy I bought the Cary preamp from wants to sell me a Pro-Ject phonoamp for around $900.00 do you have an idea of what model that would be? I know Cary make a Phonopreamp as well.. any thoughts?
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
ACsGreens. Its a moded Stanton st150 from Mapleshade.
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
Just a little background on me...I bought a used Cary Preamp slp98 L about a year ago before my room was done and I am just now getting around to hooking everything up. I hadn't realized I purchased the L and not the P version of the Cary slp98. I also have a Cary v12r amp.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Thanks TLS Guy...the guy I bought the Cary preamp from wants to sell me a Pro-Ject phonoamp for around $900.00 do you have an idea of what model that would be? I know Cary make a Phonopreamp as well.. any thoughts?
I expect it is this one, but I think the one I picked out for you will be fine. You don't need a volume control on your phono preamp as your Cary preamp has one.

I don't see that Stanton 150 turntable listed on Mapleshade anymore. What cartridge are you planning to use and what are your speakers and power amp?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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@TLS Guy....Yes, I noticed that the other day that Mapleshade removed that turntable from their list. I had to send the the moded headshell back with the cartridge so I cant look on it right now, but this is the one I belief is on it...Stanton 520.V3 - DJ Equipment, DJ Gear, Phono Cartridges & Needles, DJ Mixer, DJ Turntables, Headphones, CD Players

I have Cary V12R amp and Meadowlark Kestrel 2 speakers.
That turntable and cartridge are way below the quality of the rest of your system.

The arm on that turntable is a very nasty effort. That cartridge is a poor performing scratch cartridge.

A system like yours really requires an something like an SME turntable and a high end Ortofon or Decca cartridge. Something of that nature. There is also nothing wrong with a really good vintage rig if you can put one together.
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
Yes, that is the one.

I noticed that too that Mapleshade had removed the Stanton ST-150 from their website just this month.

I had to send the moded headshell with the cartridge back to Mapleshade so I dont have it here to look on to tell you the exect cartridge, but I belief this
is the one..Stanton 520.V3 - DJ Equipment, DJ Gear, Phono Cartridges & Needles, DJ Mixer, DJ Turntables, Headphones, CD Players

My amp is a Cary V12r and I have Meadowlark Kestrel 2 speakers.

I bought all of this equipment before my room was done and now I am just getting around to putting it all together.
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
Sorry for the double post...I didnt think my last post was posted.
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
Thank you TLS Guy...appritiate all your info...I really just starting out and just jumping in!
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
@TLS Guy... What are your thoughts on Ortofon 2M Red?
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
Chazzy, there are two flavors of phono cartridges - moving magnet and moving coil. Moving magnet cartridges produce more output. You either need to get the right "flavor" of phono preamp for the cartridge you intend to use or get a phono premp with separate stages for each type. So you should nail down the cartridge first. If the Stanton turntable has a Stanton cartridge, then it will be moving magnet. That's good because it is easier and less expensive to preamplify. Needledoctor.com has a bunch of them.
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
I guess I should throw in some recommendations. I agree with TLS guy that a DJ turntable is not the best approach. In fact, it is most likely that a DJ turntable already has a phono stage in it. It could chew up your records pretty badly. I'll give you some thoughts from someone who was a furious audiophile before CD's were invented. My best turntable ever was made by VPI, weighed in at 80 lbs and cost $1500. The grace tone arm and Benz Micro cartridge brought it up to around $2700. That was in the 1990's. I sold all that stuff years ago. My current table is a Music Hall MMF 2 and I use the stock arm with a Grado moving magnet cartridge (I forgot the model of the Grado.) This is a perfectly competent system for well under $1000 that makes great music and won't destroy your records. I would say it provides 95% of the performance of the VPI/Grace/BenzMicro system. Back in the VPI days I used a Creek moving coil preamp. It was excellent in every respect. The integrated amp where I have my turntable has a MM phono stage so I don't have to use a preamp now. If I did, I would seriously consider the Cambridge Audio units. Cambridge has enough volume to be able to provide good value. Cary, unfortunatly, is a much smaller company with necessarily overpriced products. Great products, don't get me wrong, but not great values.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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@TLS Guy... What are your thoughts on Ortofon 2M Red?
I set up a turntable for a member here. I used an Ortofon Red. I had a chance to compare it directly with my Shure V15 xmr.

The Ortofon Red is a good budget cartridge, but it was totally outclassed by the Shure.

If you want a MM for your rig, then I strongly recommend the Ortofon Black.
 
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Chazzy

Audioholic Intern
I found the info in the Mapleshade catalogue ..

I have the stage 2
 
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