Yamaha 463 vs Denon 1713`

[lakshmant]

Dear All,

This is always a wonderful forum and guided me so well in my AVR 463 purchase of yamaha 4 years ago, i am now looking for a slightly advanced AVR which can handle HDMI for Sat Box and also blue ray. Could the members here compare and explain the sonic differences between these two AVR's and which is better for home theater. i have not heard denon before in a detailed demo...

Many thanks in advance

 

[M Code]

Both are solid AVRs, what features are important for you?
Note that the Yamaha is significantly more reliable than the Denon..

Just my $0.02...

 

[speakerman39]

Both are solid AVRs, what features are important for you?
Note that the Yamaha is significantly more reliable than the Denon..

Just my $0.02...

More reliable in what regard? How do you know this for sure? Or, perhaps it has been your experience.....? Care to elaborate for clarification purposes? The reason I ask, is because I too am looking for a new receiver. Posts like yours gets my attention.

 

[PENG]

More reliable in what regard? How do you know this for sure? Or, perhaps it has been your experience.....? Care to elaborate for clarification purposes? The reason I ask, is because I too am looking for a new receiver. Posts like yours gets my attention.

I consider that kind of statement is just an opinion that somehow got stated as though it was fact, it is sad..

 

[M Code]

More reliable in what regard? How do you know this for sure? Or, perhaps it has been your experience.....? Care to elaborate for clarification purposes? The reason I ask, is because I too am looking for a new receiver. Posts like yours gets my attention.

We have sold/install both brands for several years.. The defective rate of the Denon AVRs is about 2.5x that of Yamaha, the Denon AVRs are assembled by Sherwood. The Yamaha AVRs are designed/assembled by Yamaha not 2nd sourced..

Just my $0.02...

 

[PENG]

We have sold/install both brands for several years.. The defective rate of the Denon AVRs is about 2.5x that of Yamaha, the Denon AVRs are assembled by Sherwood. The Yamaha AVRs are designed/assembled by Yamaha not 2nd sourced..

Just my $0.02...

Well that's a bit better than as you have stated some stats, but how many you sold? You know even with stats you need a large enough sample size from random batches to be credible, otherwise it is still like you stated, just your $0.02...okay may be $2

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

We have sold/install both brands for several years.. The defective rate of the Denon AVRs is about 2.5x that of Yamaha, the Denon AVRs are assembled by Sherwood. The Yamaha AVRs are designed/assembled by Yamaha not 2nd sourced..

Just my $0.02...

Every Denon, even the higher end models (3xxx, 4xxx, 5xxx), is assembled by Sherwood and these higher-end models defective rates are about 2.5x that of Yamaha?

Or are we talking about the 1xxx & 2xxx models?

 

[PENG]

Every Denon, even the higher end models (3xxx, 4xxx, 5xxx), is assembled by Sherwood and these higher-end models defective rates are about 2.5x that of Yamaha?

Or are we talking about the 1xxx & 2xxx models?

Good questions, on the other hand I have had 4 Dennons so far including two 1XXX that have no problems at all but that's an extremely small sample size but I do recall you mentioned you have experienced troubles with refurbs. He just may still be right but we need to see some credible back up data, until then its just hearsays/opinions.

 

[M Code]

Every Denon, even the higher end models (3xxx, 4xxx, 5xxx), is assembled by Sherwood and these higher-end models defective rates are about 2.5x that of Yamaha?

Or are we talking about the 1xxx & 2xxx models?

Keep in mind...
Sherwood assembles products for many brands including Sony, NAD, Onkyo, HK, Teac, Pioneer.. Not only is our business to sell/install AV system we have supported the mentioned brands and factory in their hardware/software development of new AVRs as well as traveling to the Orient to meet directly with the factory AVR development teams.. Regarding Denon (and Marantz), they have suffered significant losses both financial and market share. The majority of the Denon defects were their lower models as the higher models were built in Japan until last year these were also moved to China. They do have their own Denon factory in China but it has been a very slow learning experience, also going forward the Denon and Marantz AVR platforms are the same with front panel ID changes for each brand. The D&M Holdings corporation of today which owns Denon, Marantz, Boston Acoustics is a shrunken shell of the original organization as when Bain Capitol (headed by Romney) took over controlling interest they reduced it size by about 75%...

Just my $0.02...