Need help on new receiver

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rangerzx3

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I just ordered new Pioneer speakers (Andrew Jones). Due to the size of my living room I had to go with 4 BS-22's, C22 center, and SW-8MK2. I am replacing an 8yr old Pioneer HTIB (it was pretty cheap but all I could afford at the time). I now want to upgrade the receiver. I will be using the system mostly for movies (although I think with better speakers I will start listening to more music). My current system is a 47" LED, a Blu Ray player, PS3, and Dish HD box all hooked up with HDMI. I dont care about anything over 5.1 for my system, I dont care about airplay or any internet streaming service (I will just hook up my smart phone or Ipod touch to do those things). The second zone is something I may do in the future, but right now I have no use for that either. I would like to add a record player down the road. I work at an appliance and tv store and get a discount of 10% over cost. The brands we have access to are Yamaha, Pioneer, Pioneer Elite, and Onkyo (I wish Denon). My budget is up to $800 and I would like that money to go to sound quality and not a bunch of bells and whistles I wont take advantage of (with the exception of a good audio set up calibration that a lot of receivers are coming with now). Thanks in advance for the help!
 
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unemployed

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SHERWOOD R-972 Newcastle 7.1 A/V Surround Receiver TrueHD DTS-HD | Accessories4less

This is in your price range and is a nice unit. A4L is easy to deal with. A4L also sell refurbs and Denon. Shop Onkyo also has some club specials. Free to join, and you can buy a refurb for very little, just make sure with Onkyo you buy the extended warranties. Onkyo suffered some failures in the past. Personally, I like the Yamaha AVRs. They really shine for music and are very dependable.
 
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rangerzx3

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thanks for the response but I dont have access to Sherwood through my work. Anyone else have any thoughts?
 
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avengineer

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The Elite line is great, but overkill for your system. If you want to stay in the Pioneer line, the VSX-1122-K is a good choice. Otherwise look at stuff from Onkyo and Denon. The speakers are not challenging for any AVR, and limited to 80 watts, so no need for high power.
 
adwilk

adwilk

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You've got a lot of options clearly but I personally would eliminate Onkyo based on some performance issues. I've had good luck with them in the past but would probably lean more toward Yamaha or Pioneer.

The biggest difference would be the built in calibration. I really like Pio's MCACC and if given your opportunity would probably get a Pioneer (thats what I'm currently using).

Whether you want bells and whistles or not, you're getting them and you'll probably be glad that you did. Some of those added features are really nice and you'll end up using them more than you think.

I like the 1122K, but I REALLY like the next step up that uses more powerful and efficient class D architecture in the amp section. This would include the SC1222K which is really the first step up that would have any impact on overall sound quality in terms of added headroom when driving all channels. Believe me, you'll keep turning it up. It also features a full 7 channel pre-out if the upgrade bug ever bit you again. Its priced considerably higher than the 1122 but would probably be affordable given your discount...

IF you were to consider the SC- well then.. you're into Elite territory. Which would be my actual recommendation The Pioneer Elite SC-61. Its the same price and pretty much the same device as the 122K but has pretty gold lettering on the front that says "Elite". It also has some upgraded interfaces that allow you to control and program it from a PC on your home network. A nice feature indeed. It might be a bit overkill but its also a leap into the really nice home AVR's. Consider it an investment in future proofing a bit.
 
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avengineer

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I would agree that Onkyo has had some issues, but not so much in performance as reliability. However, those issues now seem to be more confined to specific models and designs mostly, now thankfully, in the past. One thing the Onkyo product line has that Pioneer and Denon do not is THX certification. That's actually fairly hard to get, and takes pretty solid engineering. The theory would be that THX components should perform better and last longer because they must meet some rather stringent specifications, and not just once, they have to be consistant. I'll acknowledge there are exceptions, THX stuff that ends up not being great, but on average the THX badge equals a certain quality factor. That's not to say other products aren't equally good, but it does say that the THX component has actually been tested and proven to meet the specs. Think of it as a consumer advocacy badge.

The other thing that Onkyo has is Audyssey room calibration. Now, you may prefer the Pioneer MCACC system, which is also good. My preference would be toward Audyssey. However, that's only one aspect, and I have found that when I recommend an AVR to a client there's a lot more to it than just THX, Audyssey, MCACC, or any other feature. There's an entire feature set, and everyone weighs things differently. It takes some real study to determine what's best.

What I will say with complete confidence is that on this and other forums there's entirely too much concern about matching a receiver to a particular set of speakers. That amounts to much concern about nothing. Nearly every AVR above the entry level or HTIB can deliver adequate power to any common speaker. Matching such components is actually the least of the concerns. More relevant is the feature set, number and type of inputs, network connectivity and control, room calibration and warranty. Not necessarily in that order.

So when someone asks "help me pick a receiver", perhaps what should happen next, rather than a list of surrounding equipment is an interview to determine what's most important to them. That's actually how I do it in my custom installations, but is sort of impractical here. Those looking for a receiver are looking for recommendations, but are expecting those to be based on matching components rather than matching the user's expectations. It's a whole different way to look at the situation, and I would suggest those new to the industry try to evaluate their needs and desires, and for the most part ignore the matching concept.

Stepping off the soap box now. Thanks.
 
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rangerzx3

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thanks for the good responses. I really like the bang for the buck that you get with Onkyo but do worry about issues with some of their models. At this point Im probably looking at Yamaha or Pioneer/Elite. I know they both have their own audio calibration setups and from what Ive read they both do a good job. Is there really that big of difference with the Pioneer class D receivers vs the AB? Its a big jump in price. Will I be able to really hear the difference?
 
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Votrax

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thanks for the good responses. I really like the bang for the buck that you get with Onkyo but do worry about issues with some of their models. At this point Im probably looking at Yamaha or Pioneer/Elite. I know they both have their own audio calibration setups and from what Ive read they both do a good job. Is there really that big of difference with the Pioneer class D receivers vs the AB? Its a big jump in price. Will I be able to really hear the difference?
You can't go wrong with Yamaha or Pioneer. Both have great calibration algorithms. Yamaha has a better remote and more intuitive android app. The Pioneer comes with the AVNavigator suite that shows you how to wire the receiver, interactive manual, and gives you a before and after MCACC calibration graphic. The Pioneer class D runs cooler than class AB. It has more power than the Aventage receiver. I've had my RX-A2000 go into protect mode while playing music at high levels so I moved it to the living room for movie duty and bought a SC-55 for the theater.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
Is there really that big of difference with the Pioneer class D receivers vs the AB? Its a big jump in price. Will I be able to really hear the difference?
Probably not. Normal levels- definitely not. There's more than just that in the price difference but thats a direct answer to your question.
 
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unemployed

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Yamaha Aventage AVR.

I'd look for a one model back Yamaha RX-A__10 series. (Aventage). I just picked up a RX-A3010 and it's a great AVR. I am using mine as a Prepro. Great for streaming via DNLA. Has Net radio, Pandora. Dialing in my music collection to stream via J River Media Center 18. The 10 series Does not have AirPlay, that is available on the new 20 series model which came out a few months ago. You can find some good deals on the 10 series still.

I have class D ice power amps from Wyred4Sound. Class D has come a long way. If you have a heat sensitive environment or want to save a little on power costs, the Pioneer Class D is a good option too.
 
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rangerzx3

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Sorry guys Ive been so busy at work that I havent been able to check in. Thanks for the responses, Ive narrowed it down to 3.

Yamaha RX-A720
Pioneer VSX-60
Onkyo TX-NR717

I like the features and they are in the range of what I want to spend. Is there one that you guys recommend over another? I know most people say the Audyssey is a better calibration system than Pioneer and Yamaha's own system but the Onkyo Im looking at only offers Audyssey 2EQ which Ive read isnt all that great. Right now im steering more towards the Yamaha and the Onkyo, but ive also read about lots of issues with some of the Onkyo models. Have they fixed them?

Thanks again for all the help.
 
hyghwayman

hyghwayman

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m2c

Pioneer VSX-60 is good but looking at the spec.s it doesn't appear to have the class D amp. The SC-1222k may be a better choice imo.


I have the VSX-1122k and love it, but if i just could have waited a little bit longer I could have got the SC-1222k for about the same price :(
 
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rangerzx3

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I missed this one. Is it a better choice over the others I am looking at in terms of sound quality?
 
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