Pioneer Andrew Jones SP-PK52FS review

ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
Originally Posted by zieglj01
I will let you know, I am putting them through a short shake-down.
I have to allow 13.26584 minutes for speaker break-in.

I will eventually get back on the BS22.
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Still in the early stages, so far not a major difference - however, some
noticable difference. >> It may be that the FS52, has more energy up
top (loudness level), where the tweeter in the BS22, is not as loud. >>
Still not an annoyance >> With the FS52, it feels like that I am sitting
closer up, and with the BS22, I am sitting further back. Still no edgy, or
harsh type sound, with the FS52. More to follow.
That is a really good deduction, seriously, closer up (52) futher back (22). For me it was like a snap shot compared to a full frame picture, make sense?
 
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GFOViedo

Audioholic
So, I finally went to Best Buy, and I had them hook the F52's and the C22. They sounded good, but bass wise was lacking. The center channel sounded way louder than the left / right fronts. The guy who was helping me out wasn't really knowledgeable about speakers, and the didn't know how to change the AVR's settings. Needless to say, he wouldn't let me play with the setting either.

There after, I was hoping they had the Polk Audio Monitor50 or 60 series, but they didn't. They only has the TSi series, and they definitely had more bass. The Pioneers were more detailed.

I'm still pondering if I should go bite the bullet and get the Pioneers since they are on sale!:confused:
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
So, I finally went to Best Buy, and I had them hook the F52's and the C22. They sounded good, but bass wise was lacking. The center channel sounded way louder than the left / right fronts. The guy who was helping me out wasn't really knowledgeable about speakers, and the didn't know how to change the AVR's settings. Needless to say, he wouldn't let me play with the setting either.

There after, I was hoping they had the Polk Audio Monitor50 or 60 series, but they didn't. They only has the TSi series, and they definitely had more bass. The Pioneers were more detailed.

I'm still pondering if I should go bite the bullet and get the Pioneers since they are on sale!:confused:
I would get the Pioneer and add a sub or two. I believe you will need subs no matter what you buy. :D
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
There after, I was hoping they had the Polk Audio Monitor50 or 60 series, but they didn't. They only has the TSi series, and they definitely had more bass. The Pioneers were more detailed.

I'm still pondering if I should go bite the bullet and get the Pioneers since they are on sale!:confused:
The Pioneer bass will sound better in a room smaller than that
wide-open Best Buy area > I do prefer the tight/controlled and
articulate bass of the Pioneer, over some boomy/mushy bass of
the Polk's that are there - the Monitor series is pretty much the
same as the TSi series.
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
I'm still pondering if I should go bite the bullet and get the Pioneers since they are on sale!:confused:
Stop it already and get them!;) Break them in and enjoy!:cool: Everyone needs a sub like Acu said. No Polk Salad!
 
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crzycuyler

Audioholic Intern
I'm thinking about a REL T3 or T5. Would that pair well with the 52s?
 
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damrich

Audiophyte
Hey guys,

About to pull the trigger on the whole setup, but I had a question about the center SPC22. This one is really big, would the Mirage - OS³-CC Ompipolar 3-Way Center-Channel Speaker really throw the system off if I was to use that instead. I have read about keeping them the same.

Just getting back into speakers and this will be my first real set. Not a permanent solution and will be a huge upgrade from my current sony HTIB. I have a Denon 1912 pushing it if that matters.

Thanks
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
Hey guys,

About to pull the trigger on the whole setup, but I had a question about the center SPC22. This one is really big, would the Mirage - OS³-CC Ompipolar 3-Way Center-Channel Speaker really throw the system off if I was to use that instead. I have read about keeping them the same.

Just getting back into speakers and this will be my first real set. Not a permanent solution and will be a huge upgrade from my current sony HTIB. I have a Denon 1912 pushing it if that matters.

Thanks
Stick with the Pioneer center it's great.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Hey guys,

About to pull the trigger on the whole setup, but I had a question about the center SPC22. This one is really big, would the Mirage - OS³-CC Ompipolar 3-Way Center-Channel Speaker really throw the system off if I was to use that instead. I have read about keeping them the same.

Just getting back into speakers and this will be my first real set. Not a permanent solution and will be a huge upgrade from my current sony HTIB. I have a Denon 1912 pushing it if that matters.

Thanks
What? :confused:

I thought you were damn rich? :D

I recommend TAD speakers for damn rich people. :D
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
Still in the early stages, so far not a major difference - however, some
noticable difference. >> It may be that the FS52, has more energy up
top (loudness level), where the tweeter in the BS22, is not as loud. >>
Still not an annoyance >> With the FS52, it feels like that I am sitting
closer up, and with the BS22, I am sitting further back. Still no edgy, or
harsh type sound, with the FS52. More to follow.
OK, have done some more in-depth listening - however, I pretty
much knew what I was hearing, with just a few recordings. Some
nit-picking is not intended to down-grade the speakers. They are
still solid and play above standard entry level >>> and out-class
some popular name brands not sold in Best Buy or Fry's.

Even with sitting at the same position the FS52 and BS22 do sound
about the same over-all except for the bass, and what seems to be
more energy going to the FS52 tweeter. >> That energy or the word
that KEW used {shine}, with my word {vivid}, tends to compromise
the sound a little. This is an in-general statement and not for every
song. Both speakers image good for the price, and have a nice sound
stage, while the FS52 seems to expand a little. Both tweeters have
the same wave-guide - and both tweeters are above standard to me.

This some what tweeter difference plays a part with female singing
voices, brass instruments and violins and the over-all fullness of the
sound in general - effecting the treble and midrange balance. > Both
speakers have good detail and plays above the entry level standard
to me. > However, due to the price-point and compromises that need
to be made >> more expensive speakers tend to have more definition
and depth.

Jackie Evancho - the songs Angel and The Lord's prayer >> Plus Dido
White Flags, tend to showcase this. On the 52 the voices were some
what more vivid - however at the expense of some fullness, and also
effect the midrange as a whole. > On the 22 still good and clear, yet
not as vivid - but a little more rich and full. I favor the 22 on this.

On Violin with Lucia Micarelli, the song Nocturne/Bohemian Rhapsody,
The Violin was more vivid, or had some shine along with the Piano ...
however, still sounded somewhat thin - yey more full on the 22. I still
give the edge to the 22. The thin-ness also effects the midrange balance.

With both speakers tending to be lacking in overall definition, that
somewhat different flavor effects the midrange sound. The 52 tends
to sound a little more spacious, >>> and some may use the phrase,
holographic type sound - the 22 seems to be a little more cohesive
sounding in the lower treble and midrange. This is show-cased some
more with Joan Osbourne songs -- War and the song Why Can't We
Live Together. They are both good >> however the midrange seems
more cohesive on the 22. Both speakers still lack the overall extended
definition, that I prefer with more expensive speakers.

Also with Diana Krall there is some difference with the Piano and the
Orchestra. More spacious and somewhat thin on the 52 compared to
the 22 - where the midrange without the vivid/shine does seem more
cohesive on the 22. The choice comes down to preference and taste.

A good CD to test speakers is, YO-YO MA plays ENNIO MORRICONE.
And yes, the Pioneer's can play this type of music. Both speakers did
a good job with Gabriel's Oboe and The Falls. If you do not own this
CD, then check it out. Sitting in the same spot, I feel like I am sitting
closer up to the 52 compared to the 22. The 52 along with the bigger
surface area dedicated midrange, and that somewhat tweeter energy
does fill a somewhat bigger sound-stage. The 22 will surprise you with
its smaller stature, and untill you really begin to push the watts or the
volume, the 22 stands fast - minus the deeper and depth of the 52 bass.

The trumpets, guitars and voice on the Eagles Hotel California, sounded
good on both. >> More vivid on the Big Daddy and More cohesive with a
somewhat fuller midrange on the 22. I am not talking about a head and
shoulders difference in the midrange. I am talking about a small, yet a
noticable meaning-full, difference to me. Some may disagree or may not
really hear the difference. You never know, my ears may be tired.

Now how did they stack up against the modded Cambridge S30 - well,
they both fell short to me. While in some areas the tweeter is better
on both the Pioneers, The Cambridge has the detail and definition that
stands out on the upper and lower treble. >The Cambridge overall has
detail and definition with a more sense of depth. >>> There is a good
cohesive sound, along with good seperation. >> For something like an
orchestra playing, you do hear the orchestra with good resolution. >>
there is not the sense, that some instruments are hidden in the back
ground. With the exception of the towers playing below 60 hz. >>The
bass on the Cambridge seems more tight and clean. >> I also believe
that with the exception of some strong points of the Pioneer Tweeter,
that the Cambridge has better drivers >>> a well buillt cabinet, that
is braced and damped well. >> The stock Cambridge does sell for $220.
I may or may not be on an island by myself >> however the stock S30,
is still my favorite budget speaker.

However overall for me, The Pioneers have raised the bar for the over
all sound quality that you get with their price point, that plays above
some of the big names out there, that are more expensive.
 
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afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
The 52 tends to sound a little more spacious, >>> and some may use the phrase, holographic type sound
Great review. I had that spacious/holographic type sound when I had them inwards when I move them a little straighter and I didn't hear it anymore. How many hours did you break them in? Maybe it's the reason why you prefer the 22 a little more cause you had them longer.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
I think that I corrected most of my spelling.:) Again not to nit-pick.
Price is an issue here - I do not know how much it is playing a part
with the midrange, and some designers do have their special talents
in the land of compromise. I could not at this time open up the FS52.
They saved some money with the cheap heads on the torx screws. >
Just about every driver on both towers have stripped heads.:(

The BS22 does a little better on the door knock test, over the 22. >>
I wonder how much bracing is really in there >> also in looking inside
the 2 ports, it seems there may not be much damping inside. There
is only a small amount of damping inside the 22. I was tempted to
stuff some polly-batten through the 2 ports to do an expierment. >>
However, I would not be able to pull it back out. >> I do not feel like
going to Lowe's to get more tools to take out the drivers. I could not
fully pull the crossover out - for fear of damage >> hard to say how
much wire lenght for free play. Did not see any damping in that area.

The answers should come from Gene, if he can get them drivers out.:)

Note - there was also some stripped screw heads, on the BS22.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
Great review. I had that spacious/holographic type sound when I had them inwards when I move them a little straighter and I didn't hear it anymore. How many hours did you break them in? Maybe it's the reason why you prefer the 22 a little more cause you had them longer.
I have set them up different ways. I am not calling this a so-called
fault or short coming. This stands out because of the tweeter flavor.
Holographic to me is not bad - it just stands out due to lower over-
all resolution compared to more expensive speakers. >>> I like air,
I just want the detail, definition and depth that comes with it. They
are good speakers. I could not get a look at the FS52 crossover, to
look and see if the resister is a different value from the 22.
As far as the driver break-in, they really better have something going
from them after 20 minutes.:) Now if the speakers are coming from
some challenging climate controls (like real cold), then let them warm
up for a while before you begin to play them.:)
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
The BS22 does a little better on the door knock test, over the 22. >>
I wonder how much bracing is really in there >> also in looking inside
the 2 ports, it seems there may not be much damping inside. There
is only a small amount of damping inside the 22.
Must be a rough day - having a small problem with spelling and
the numbers.:) Post #175, It should read >>

The BS22 does a little better on the door knock test, over the 52.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Everything you say makes perfect sense from my experience with these speakers. I certainly can see how someone could prefer the 22's. It was a big surprise to me that they are different.
The thing is, I want that shine/vividness (good term) combined with the resolution of a more expensive speaker. I felt it was at its worst when listening to higher pitched female vocals (like Dido). It still sounds fine. Do you know of any better (but priced reasonably) speakers that mimic this effect? I am dumbfounded that they got that sound out of an inexpensive soft dome. The Martin Logan Electrostatics may, but I didn't listen to them for long because the sound fell completely apart when I stood up.

BTW, what are the mods on your Cambridges? What benefit do you feel you gained. You probably posted about it, but I missed it.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
BTW, what are the mods on your Cambridges? What benefit do you feel you gained. You probably posted about it, but I missed it.
Other than the link that was provided, on a side note >>> there are
several dogs that live in my place, and they provide some dampening
to the sound.:):)
Some more on Dennis's take on the stock form. And I will have maybe
one or two more links to follow.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1327952/almost-got-floored-by-cambridge-s30/30#post_20334401

Another comment about the stock and modded.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1327952/almost-got-floored-by-cambridge-s30/210#post_20503348
 
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