Receiver Hookup Question

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stingray505

Audiophyte
Hi - I'm getting a new HT system. Decided on a Denon 1712 receiver (on sale now). My question is regarding the best way to hook this up. Right now I have all my different HDMI inputs (Cable Box, Blu Ray, Netgear Push2TV) hooked up to by Sony 52" BR4. Once the receiver gets here, will add 2 other sound-only inputs (iPod and a record player). When this is done can I:

a) simply get a S/PDIF audio out from my TV to enter the receiver (so that the receiver gets 3 inputs: whatever is playing on my tv, ipod and record player)?

b) Or should I input all three different HDMI players separately into the receiver and then hook the receiver's HDMI output to my TV? So receiver gets 5 total inputs.

Unless the sound quality in (a) is severely compromised, I would like to do (a) that because it seems like that would allow me to watch tv without sound (eg sports) and play music though my ipod/record player at the same time.

Second question: Is it worth upgrading from the Denon 1712 to the 1912? 1912 has internet streaming and AirPlay but the 1712 seems to have (oddly) a better version of Audessy... is the step-up in Audessy worth getting AirPlay separately for the 1712? I will be in a 20X20 room that is somewhat oddly shaped; 3.1 speaker system with 2 Pioneer SR-51s, 1 Pioneer SP-C21, and 1 HSU STF-2 subwoofer. Will add surround at a later date... maybe with some cheap wireless speakers if I ever see something on sale.

My first foray into setting up a HT system... decided not to go HTiB, which - at the very least, seems to have given to more internet-surfing to do!

Thanks all.
 
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stingray505

Audiophyte
PS: I've bought the speakers already (all 3 for $170 on Newegg seemed like a great deal) but not the other 2... so wider suggestions welcome.

thanks again!
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Yes, you can do either a) or b) or both.

The new Denons support ARC (audio return channel) so if your TV does as well you don't need the separate optical connection from the TV to the receiver to be able to watch TV without the receiver being on.

If your TV does not support ARC then you do need the separate optical connection if you want to use the TV's internal tuner and send the audio to the receiver so you can hear it over the speakers connected to the receiver.

I think the few extra bucks for the 1912 (or latest 1913) is a worthwhile upgrade due to the better Audyssey implemenation.
 
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stingray505

Audiophyte
Yes, you can do either a) or b) or both.

The new Denons support ARC (audio return channel) so if your TV does as well you don't need the separate optical connection from the TV to the receiver to be able to watch TV without the receiver being on.

If your TV does not support ARC then you do need the separate optical connection if you want to use the TV's internal tuner and send the audio to the receiver so you can hear it over the speakers connected to the receiver.

I think the few extra bucks for the 1912 (or latest 1913) is a worthwhile upgrade due to the better Audyssey implemenation.
Thanks MDS!
a) Not sure if my TV has ARC... its pretty old and i couldn't find it on the spec sheet
b) I thought (oddly) the 1712 had a better Audyssey implementation than the 1912... which was weird for a lower model... is that not the case?
 
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KEW

Audioholic Overlord
b) I thought (oddly) the 1712 had a better Audyssey implementation than the 1912... which was weird for a lower model... is that not the case?
That is correct. I have the 1712 and it has Audyssey MultiEQ XT! The 1912 is not as good for Audyssey. I think they gave it better networking features, then you get to the 2112 to get both the network features and XT in the same unit.
It is really hard sometimes to find out which Audyssey versions AVR's have. For some reason it is not clearly labeled on the spec sheets.
 
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stingray505

Audiophyte
You may have found this already, but here is a good summary of the Denons around this price which sholling made:

I believe Audyssey MultEQ XT is significantly better for sub/bass management.
Thanks - reading through, seems like XT is worth it, especially since I have a weird shaped room. Also you can work around internet connectivity, but not with Audyssey.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
From reviews and info on forums, those pioneers are pretty solid performers, and you can't argue about the price.

As far as rear surrounds, I use

Rocketfish™ - Rocketboost Wireless HD Audio Starter Kit - RF-RBKIT

This lets you use "any" speakers, but you do still have to power the receiver unit and run speaker wires. For my house, running the wires was just too much trouble. I am music first and surround sound 2nd, so it gets the job done for me. If I remember correctly, I think these are even 4ohm stable, it does my 6ohms no problem. I have 1 transmitter and 1 receiver on each surround (2 total). You can probably find it cheaper than MSRP
 
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Destreyf

Audioholic Intern
How well does the Rocketfish work overall is it comparable to a wired one?
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
How well does the Rocketfish work overall is it comparable to a wired one?
I like it, no real complaints.

It doesn't get the loudest, and I'm sure it would be great to use very sensitive speakers on it and mine aren't. It is 4ohm stable though and I'm using 6ohm on it with no problems. I can't remember for sure, but I think it's something like 40W RMS (I think divided by 2 channels but don't remember off top of my head. I'm only using 1 channel per receiver).

It works, and most important to me, I don't get any interference, even with my wireless router in the same room, about 4 feet away. You would definitely want to use some room correction to set the speaker distances, as my system thinks they are about 35 feet away (not realistic distance). However, that compensates for any lag on the Rocketfish by sending that signal first. Obviously, not as good as running wires, but in my house it was gonna be a b**ch to do it right. Maybe not the best for multi-channel music. I'm 2 ch music first and movies/games second. Just to get the movie surround effects or to know when someone is behind me in FPS games, it works great. Also, it has auto off and signal-sensing on.

Just to nitpick a little. Sometimes (but not all the time?) I get a pop only on the rocketfish when I turn the system on or off. Not bad, just a little annoying. The lights on the front of the units are kinda bright. Some people may not mind, but it is kind of one of my pet-peeves to have bright LEDs in my theater rig. I used the classic fix--a piece of electrical tape over the offending lights.

I didn't pay MSRP, got mine off ebay. I paid maybe $150 for transmitter and 2 receivers. Just note, there is an older model out there and I am using the newer HD models.

All in all, it isn't perfect, but it works fine for me. If you want the highest quality sound and power, then run the wires. If that is difficult and/ or you aren't OCD about your surrounds, then this is a good product for you.
 
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jcl

Senior Audioholic
If you're looking for a wireless system there are other options than the rocket fish. Here's a post I made a while back on another thread :

I used to use the older version of the rocket fish wireless product. It served it's purpose but it was an amplified solution, and the amp wasn't very powerful (or good ). Not sure if the newer version is any better. It's sold by best buy so she could at least get some support. Rocketfish

I switched to the AudioEngine W1. I had troubles at first, but later figured out it was a ground loop issue. This is an unpowered solution so you need an amp (or powered speakers like thier model 5) for a complete solution. I luckily had an old receiver to power things. Here's the newer version - Audioengine W3

The outlaw products look interesting too. I don't have any experience with them but thought I'd mention them. They have a powered solution Outlaw Audio's OAW3 Wireless Audio System and an unpowered one Outlaw Audio's OAW3 Wireless Audio System.
 

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