Help with speaker selection.

GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Reason why?
They don't use an inductor on their woofers, so the metal cone breakup isn't outside the threshold of audibility. if you look at the CSD of the stock Axiom speaker:



It's a harsh speaker most of us want little to do with.

That, and they think your home theater needs to be 90 feet in the air.
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
Keep in mind that the above graphs are from a company selling a $200 "upgrade" for the M22s and that Audioholics gave a very favorable review to an even older model of M22.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Keep in mind that the above graphs are from a company selling a $200 "upgrade" for the M22s
And it looks like it is in fact an upgrade ;) although a smarter plan of action is to not start with a poorly measuring speaker and need "upgrades". Superior speakers have that kind of cone breakup a good 30 to 40db down in level... even the ninja upgrade couldn't pull that off however.

that Audioholics gave a very favorable review to an even older model of M22.
And where are the measurements indicating time domain / cone breakup behaviour from that review?
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
I don't listen to graphs, I listen to speakers. And I certainly don't listen to and trust graphs from a person trying to tell me what is wrong with the stuff I own and selling me a black box to fix it.

Not saying I've heard any Axiom speakers, but the people who have heard them generally have very favorable things to say about them. Especially people I trust, like the Audioholics review team.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I don't listen to graphs, I listen to speakers.
Good for you? So measurements mean nothing to you. Gotcha. And metal cone breakup is just a ""graph""

And I certainly don't listen to and trust graphs from a person trying to tell me what is wrong with the stuff I own and selling me a black box to fix it.

Not saying I've heard any Axiom speakers, but the people who have heard them generally have very favorable things to say about them. Especially people I trust, like the Audioholics review team.
Name me a speaker where "the people who have heard them generally" DON'T "have very favorable things to say about them."

The measurements speak for themselves. If you choose to reject them, it's your prerogative and that's fine, but that doesn't outright make them "a lie" because someone profits from fixing it. His support is in the measurements, not in the subjective B.S. I know who has more evidence of his position, between "yourself" and "that vendor"...
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

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Good for you? So measurements mean nothing to you. Gotcha.

Name me a speaker where "the people who have heard them generally" DON'T "have very favorable things to say about them."

The measurements speak for themselves. If you choose to reject them, it's your prerogative and that's fine, but that doesn't outright make them "a lie".
The M22ti review was part of a bookshelf face-off. Gene, Clint, and Steve had very favorable things to say about the M22s, such as:

"The B&W DM602S1 were adequate overall performers. But it was hard to give them our personal recommendation considering we unanimously believed the Axiom Audio's sounded better and were at a lower price point."

In the same review, they had some very NOT favorable things to say about another speaker:

"We recommend steering clear from the Alon Napoleon system. Although we did not evaluate the Thunderbolt subwoofer, the Napoleon Satellites were less than pleasing to listen to, and were at a price point that their sub par performance was inexcusable."

That should count as an instance where people who have heard the speaker don't have very favorable things to say about them.

And BTW, I didn't say measurements mean nothing. However, measurements by people with a conflict of interest (expensive crossovers that ostensibly fix the very things they are telling me are wrong in the first place) are highly suspect and would require independent verification.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
So the evidence of speakers sounding good, is because there are worse speakers?

Sorry, I don't subscribe to that.

However, measurements by people with a conflict of interest (expensive crossovers that ostensibly fix the very things they are telling me are wrong in the first place) are highly suspect and would require independent verification.
:rolleyes: highly suspect my ***. It's just an attempt to downplay the facts. It's effective, but not very convincing. I've yet to see axiom counter it their own measurements. The absense of other ""independently verified" measurements is what's suspect. Until they can counter that CSD graph with a CSD graph that isn't a mess, the only one that exists, is proof enough. Especially when we can there's competing products that are a lot cleaner measuring.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Care to name some?
Axiom M22 = ~$500


For around $400/pr you've got the Behringer 2030P
For around $570/pr you've got the Ascend CMT-340

I'm sure there's :many: more than that, though. Any competent spealer will not have audible cone breakup. My recommendation, of course, remains with the JTR Triple 8HT-LP
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Axiom turned me off when they recommended using 2 center speakers.:eek::D

They turned me off even more when they backed out of the subwoofer shootout.
 
its phillip

its phillip

Audioholic Ninja
Axiom M22 = ~$500


For around $400/pr you've got the Behringer 2030P
For around $570/pr you've got the Ascend CMT-340

I'm sure there's :many: more than that, though. Any competent spealer will not have audible cone breakup. My recommendation, of course, remains with the JTR Triple 8HT-LP
2030Ps are only around ~$200/pr, making them an even sweeter deal :)
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Axiom turned me off when they recommended using 2 center speakers.:eek::D

They turned me off even more when they backed out of the subwoofer shootout.

Have you TRIED it?

Seriously, try mounting one of your orions upside down on the ceiling, and the other orion directly underneath on the floor. :D

*runs away*
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Have you TRIED it?

Seriously, try mounting one of your orions upside down on the ceiling, and the other orion directly underneath on the floor. :D

*runs away*
I actually tried using 2 identical Def Tech CLR3000 speakers.:D

It sounded kind of weird.:eek:
 
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