Upgrading my speakers

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Audioholic Slumlord
I concur, but at the same time, I consider a power compression test to be as important a speaker measurement as any :p
And this is one PSB's Image series many strengths.. very good linearity.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
Not really no, I've never done something like that before.

I just remembered, there is a store fairly close to me that sells PSB speakers, they don't have the Image T6, but they have the Image T5 and they have all the other Image series speakers as well. I'll have to pay them a visit and audition the PSB. If I do happen to like PSB, I'll ask them if they can get a pair of the Image T6 for me and maybe give me a deal as this place is good for giving deals most of the time. I think it's between Paradigm and PSB now, considering they are relatively close in price for each of their offerings.

One thing about the Image C5 center, it has two 5 1/4 woofers, while the Paradigm CC-290 center has two 6 1/2 woofers plus a 4 1/2 midrange driver. The Paradigm is a 3-way and the PSB is either a 2 or 2.5-way design. Wouldn't the Paradigm sound better?

On the other hand, the Paradigm Monitor 9 is a 2.5-way design while the PSB Image T6 is a 3-way design.

Accutech does offer some good advice and I share this with him. Listen to as many speakers as you can so you can make an informed decision. Also, hearing is very subjective and no two people hear exactly the same thing.

To help you I would do the following:

What I would do is to take a pad of paper with you, write down the make and
model of each speaker you audition and what you liked and disliked about the
speakers you were auditioning. Was the bass tight and deep or was it boomy
and loose sounding? Were the mids life like or were they hollow or just too
pronounced? Was the treble irritating and harsh or were they dark and not
revealing or were they smooththat made you want to listen for more? How was
the imaging?

Bring music with you that you are very familiar with and know quite well. To
make it easier to audition HT speaker systems, listen to the main speakers in 2
channel mode with music. Music is much harder to reproduce accurately then a
movie soundtrack so if the speakers do well with music, then they will do well
with HT. Speakers that do HT well may not do well with music. When auditioning
the center channel of the same brand and series as the main speakers, pick a
difficult source like an announcer that mumbles alot. If you can understand what
the mumbling announcer is saying, then you have a good center channel.

I would go to speciality stores first and start auditioning speakers first
instead of going to the internet first. Once your likes are determined, you can
mention them here and fellow members can make internet brand recommendations
based on your likes/dislikes. The specality stores are better setup acousticaly
then the big box stores which will make auditioning a little easier. It will
give you an idea of what you like in a speaker.

Keep track of what amp or receiver is powering the speakers you're auditioning.
Try to get a receiver/amp that closest resembles what you have or want to get.
It just reduces another variable when audtioning speakers.


One thing to keep note off. When auditioning speakers, make sure the volume
levels are matched between the diiferent speaker pairs because the louder
speaker pair will always sound better. Listen to levels that you think you
would listen to most of the time because thats how you are going to be using
them most of the time.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
One thing about the Image C5 center, it has two 5 1/4 woofers, while the Paradigm CC-290 center has two 6 1/2 woofers plus a 4 1/2 midrange driver. The Paradigm is a 3-way and the PSB is either a 2 or 2.5-way design. Wouldn't the Paradigm sound better?

On the other hand, the Paradigm Monitor 9 is a 2.5-way design while the PSB Image T6 is a 3-way design.
I do not get carried away with the number of drivers and driver size.
It all comes down to the end result - design and engineering. For me,
I have always enjoyed, the Image series over the Monitor series.

Also, the PSB does well with power handling - not easy to make the
woofers burp.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Look at the left right mains as they do a majority of the grunt work in a HT. I'd base by my speakers purchase based on the mains rather tthan the center channel because left right mains do the majority of the grunt work in a HT. The center channel is way overrated in importance. The wide variations in a center channel is due to lobing affects in an MTM array. Taken off center which the measurements do exagerates the problem. Listening to center channel on axes will smooth out the frequency response curve somewhat.

Are we disagreeing? :eek:
No, on the contrary, I agree with you 100%.:D

The OP was talking about how the Paradigm Center had bigger drivers than the PSB, etc., so I was just comparing the Center channels.

I also think the center channel is overrated in importance.
 
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Hawkeye379

Enthusiast
I was reading on AVS Forum that the Paradigm Monitor line is getting bumped up to v7 either in a few months or this month (read both), and the prices of the v6 line are going up in price. There is apparently going to be a "huge" difference, but I'm not sure if that means sound quality. They are supposed to look different than the v6 with redesigned aesthetics. Also the cabinets are supposedly being made in China now because they are apparently the only ones with the expertise to make seamless curved cabinets.

Just thought I would mention that. You can check the Paradigm Owners Thread on AVS if you want, check pages 729, 730, 733, 734 and 736. There's probably more pages with info.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
I was reading on AVS Forum that the Paradigm Monitor line is getting bumped up to v7 either in a few months or this month (read both), and the prices of the v6 line are going up in price. There is apparently going to be a "huge" difference, but I'm not sure if that means sound quality. They are supposed to look different than the v6 with redesigned aesthetics. Also the cabinets are supposedly being made in China now because they are apparently the only ones with the expertise to make seamless curved cabinets.

Just thought I would mention that. You can check the Paradigm Owners Thread on AVS if you want, check pages 729, 730, 733, 734 and 736. There's probably more pages with info.
Have you auditioned other speakers? Sounds like your mind is made up on the monitor series. :confused:
 
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Hawkeye379

Enthusiast
Have you auditioned other speakers? Sounds like your mind is made up on the monitor series. :confused:
No I haven't yet, life got in the way. :(:D I'm going to at least audition the Paradigm Monitors this week.

However, my wallet might have already made the decision for me. The prices for the Monitors are pretty good and if they go up that's not so good. The PSBs are about $250 - $700 more than the Monitor 9s for the Image T5 and T6 respectively, which is quite a bit more, especially considering I need rears, a center and a subwoofer. As long as the Paradigms sound better than my Polks that's all that matters. If I don't like how they sound then I will consider/look into other options.
 
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Hawkeye379

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So a few days ago I bought the Paradigms. I forgot about posting here, sorry. :D

My setup now consists of:

Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 9s
Center: CC-290
Surrounds: Mini Monitors

I tested out several movies and I've been listening to a variety of music and I can say that these speakers are amazing. The Monitor 9s are absolutely fantastic for music and have very impressive bass. The CC-290 doesn't even fit where my Polk CS1 was, I need a new TV stand now. :D I must say that I am very happy with these speakers.

One thing I noticed, and it seems to affect each speaker, is that a screw on each speaker sticks out just a little too far (or a part of the screw, like say the top portion is sticking out while the bottom portion isn't) which causes a magnet on the grille to not connect with it's screw on the speaker. They appear to be allen wrench type screws and it looks like I could tighten/align them properly, but wanted to know what you guys thought.

I don't have a subwoofer at the moment. I'm not sure if I want to buy one from the U.S. because of shipping, duty costs and return shipping if there was a problem. For example, the eD A2-300 would cost me $535, the HSU VTF-2 MK3 would cost me $742 and return shipping for these subwoofers would be anywhere between $100 - $200, ouch. There's also the BIC-PL200 which would cost me around $350, and if there was a problem about $100 - $150 for return shipping. For subwoofers available here, there is the Klipsch SW-112 at Future Shop for $449, and the Infinity PS312 at Best Buy for $349 but it isn't in stock anywhere near me or online and hasn't been for a while. Amazon.ca has the BIC V1220 for $264 and the BIC VK-12 for $383 but they have never been in stock so who knows when I would even get one. There aren't many subwoofers to choose from around here and many are expensive. I'm not sure what to do regarding a subwoofer.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
So a few days ago I bought the Paradigms. I forgot about posting here, sorry. :D

My setup now consists of:

Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 9s
Center: CC-290
Surrounds: Mini Monitors

I tested out several movies and I've been listening to a variety of music and I can say that these speakers are amazing. The Monitor 9s are absolutely fantastic for music and have very impressive bass. The CC-290 doesn't even fit where my Polk CS1 was, I need a new TV stand now. :D I must say that I am very happy with these speakers.

One thing I noticed, and it seems to affect each speaker, is that a screw on each speaker sticks out just a little too far (or a part of the screw, like say the top portion is sticking out while the bottom portion isn't) which causes a magnet on the grille to not connect with it's screw on the speaker. They appear to be allen wrench type screws and it looks like I could tighten/align them properly, but wanted to know what you guys thought.

I don't have a subwoofer at the moment. I'm not sure if I want to buy one from the U.S. because of shipping, duty costs and return shipping if there was a problem. For example, the eD A2-300 would cost me $535, the HSU VTF-2 MK3 would cost me $742 and return shipping for these subwoofers would be anywhere between $100 - $200, ouch. There's also the BIC-PL200 which would cost me around $350, and if there was a problem about $100 - $150 for return shipping. For subwoofers available here, there is the Klipsch SW-112 at Future Shop for $449, and the Infinity PS312 at Best Buy for $349 but it isn't in stock anywhere near me or online and hasn't been for a while. Amazon.ca has the BIC V1220 for $264 and the BIC VK-12 for $383 but they have never been in stock so who knows when I would even get one. There aren't many subwoofers to choose from around here and many are expensive. I'm not sure what to do regarding a subwoofer.
As long as you are happy...that als that matters. Congrats. :)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Do you have to pay the return shipping if the item is DEFECTIVE?:eek:

I can see you getting charged the shipping if you want to return due to not liking it. But if the item arrived damaged, I don't see why they would charge you shipping.
 
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Hawkeye379

Enthusiast
As long as you are happy...that als that matters. Congrats. :)
Thanks, they are very nice speakers. :)

Do you have to pay the return shipping if the item is DEFECTIVE?:eek:

I can see you getting charged the shipping if you want to return due to not liking it. But if the item arrived damaged, I don't see why they would charge you shipping.
If I didn't like it I would have to pay return shipping but I can't find anything about if it arrived damaged, I would think they would cover that but I can't seem to find anything related to that. I was reading Elemental Designs' return policy and it seems I would have to pay to ship it to them for repairs. I also checked AcousticSoundDesign's (they sell the BIC PL-200) return policy and it looks like I would have to pay to ship it to them if the subwoofer needed repairs in the event they couldn't locate a repair center near me.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I don't have a subwoofer at the moment. I'm not sure if I want to buy one from the U.S. because of shipping, duty costs and return shipping if there was a problem. For example, the eD A2-300 would cost me $535, the HSU VTF-2 MK3 would cost me $742 and return shipping for these subwoofers would be anywhere between $100 - $200, ouch. There's also the BIC-PL200 which would cost me around $350, and if there was a problem about $100 - $150 for return shipping. For subwoofers available here, there is the Klipsch SW-112 at Future Shop for $449, and the Infinity PS312 at Best Buy for $349 but it isn't in stock anywhere near me or online and hasn't been for a while. Amazon.ca has the BIC V1220 for $264 and the BIC VK-12 for $383 but they have never been in stock so who knows when I would even get one. There aren't many subwoofers to choose from around here and many are expensive. I'm not sure what to do regarding a subwoofer.
Funkywaves or Sonicboomaudio.

'nuff said.
 
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Hawkeye379

Enthusiast
Funkywaves or Sonicboomaudio.

'nuff said.
Unfortunately I can't afford an SVS subwoofer or Funkywaves. Funkywaves has a $500 10" subwoofer, but I would still have to pay return shipping if there was a problem.

If only Amazon.ca could get the BIC V1220 or VK-12 in stock. I'd buy one. I'm not sure if I should go for the Klipsch SW-112. It's $449 but I wouldn't have to pay return shipping if there was a problem and it appears to be my only choice if I want to buy one from a store.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Just call them and see.

Returning for repair is different than RECEIVING a damaged item.

If the item is damaged in shipping, the shipper can file a lost claim, so they can get their shipping money back too.
 
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Hawkeye379

Enthusiast
Not if you don't concern yourself with return prices and get the clearly superior product plain and simple....
Well that's the thing. There might never be a problem. I'm just saying that if there was it wouldn't be cheap to fix it.

For example, the price of the Klipsch SW-112 after tax is about $508, and I can get the eD A2-300 for about $27 more after shipping. I think I've checked all of the ID companies, and many of their 12" subs are $500 or up so after shipping would end up costing more, whereas the eD A2-300 is $415. Is the eD A2-300 a good choice?
 
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GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Well that's the thing. There might never be a problem. I'm just saying that if there was it wouldn't be cheap to fix it.
If the product is not defective, then the only problem would be that it's underperforming, which it won't. If the product is defective, no respectable company will ask you to pay return shipping.

whereas the eD A2-300 is $415. Is the eD A2-300 a good choice?
Well, I do expect it to outperform those B&M speakers.
 
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