Questions about Axiom Audio

[MinusTheBear]

I dunno, some people can read a sheet of music and start to put it together in their heads...

I don't see how looking at some measurements of speakers can't begin to give you a foundation for what you can expect out of them. I guess it's a skill you have acquired or you haven't.

Steve Vai has been known to site-read.

 

[jinjuku]

Steve Vai has been known to site-read.

Steve Vai isn't from earth

 

[TLS Guy]

I dunno, some people can read a sheet of music and start to put it together in their heads...

I don't see how looking at some measurements of speakers can't begin to give you a foundation for what you can expect out of them. I guess it's a skill you have acquired or you haven't.

You are absolutely correct it does. I'm certain, I would pick out the Axiom speaker with that frequency response, again and and again.

Measurement do matter. They do tell what to avoid and not audition.

A speaker with a graph like the one I copied needs to be off the list if you want accurate sound.

 

[billy p]

You are absolutely correct it does. I'm certain, I would pick out the Axiom speaker with that frequency response, again and and again.

Measurement do matter. They do tell what to avoid and not audition.

A speaker with a graph like the one I copied needs to be off the list if you want accurate sound.

I don't doubt some some people(including yourself) would hear a difference blind or otherwise...I'm only trying to state that the Axioms don't sound as bad as some people make out to be.

 

[gene]

'm only trying to state that the Axioms don't sound as bad as some people make out to be.

Agreed, Axiom speakers, especially their towers, give you plenty of bass and top end. They have a very pleasing sound and appeal to an average listener that's been exposed to nothing but Bose and other department store alternatives. I've had many family members over the house doing blind and sighted comparisons between a pair of M60V3s and some similarly priced alternatives and a good majority of them preferred the Axioms b/c of the rich bass response. This goes double for speakers from Klipsch. They give the consumer a wall of sound they've just not experienced before and its pretty impressive, especially from such a slim footprint.

 

[jinjuku]

I don't doubt some some people(including yourself) would hear a difference blind or otherwise...I'm only trying to state that the Axioms don't sound as bad as some people make out to be.

News to me. I haven't seen all the negative remarks that seem to be alluded to.

I have only seen the the word that their EP subs aren't up to par to their price tag.

Haoleb built some of the Kappa Perfect subs. Just one sub smoked the $1600 EP sub.

 

[billy p]

News to me. I haven't seen all the negative remarks that seem to be alluded to.

I have only seen the the word that their EP subs aren't up to par to their price tag.

Haoleb built some of the Kappa Perfect subs. Just one sub smoked the $1600 EP sub.

Just outta curiousity have you ever auditioed any Axiom speakers? I recently sold my owned Energy Rc's which I had chosen over several other brands which included the Psb Image t45's (which I know you & others here keep in high regard) as well as some other BM speakers. If your asking in head to head if I would I choose the sound of W22's over my RC30's probabaly not but that;s not why I switched....

As for their subs...I'm aware of Haoleb's sub build (correct me if I'm wrong, but he still uses his M80's in his system...y/n?) and his observation but I don't own a Axiom sub so I can't compare it to my FW's build so you got me....

Look I'm not trying to defend Axiom's philosophy or practices on how they conduct their business model....but they sell a lot of speakers and I happen to now own some!

 

[jinjuku]

Just outta curiousity have you ever auditioed any Axiom speakers? I recently sold my owned Energy Rc's which I had chosen over several other brands which included the Psb Image t45's (which I know you & others here keep in high regard) as well as some other BM speakers. If your asking in head to head if I would I choose the sound of W22's over my RC30's probabaly not but that;s not why I switched....

As for their subs...I'm aware of Haoleb's sub build (correct me if I'm wrong, but he still uses his M80's in his system...y/n?) and his observation but I don't own a Axiom sub so I can't compare it to my FW's build so you got me....

Look I'm not trying to defend Axiom's philosophy or practices on how they conduct their business model....but they sell a lot of speakers and I happen to now own some!

The V1 M80's years ago. Nothing really stands out in my mind so I guess the impression was not favorable nor unfavorable. I didn't have anything to A/B them against.

You made some loose statement about a bunch of Axiom negativity around the forum. To slam something out of hand is one thing, to slam it with a direct comparison ($1600 EP vs a $700 DIY setup) with something that does better, well that's not negativity. It's just the truth.

Still haven't seen in my organic perusing of the threads here that of which you speak.

 

[Haoleb]

As for their subs...I'm aware of Haoleb's sub build (correct me if I'm wrong, but he still uses his M80's in his system...y/n?) and his observation but I don't own a Axiom sub so I can't compare it to my FW's build so you got me....

I dont have the M80's anymore as I have since moved and sold off the subs and speakers I had before I moved. I was pretty surprised to see some of the comments in this thread since as many have mentioned axiom was so highly reccomended. I really enjoyed the sound of the M80 both the original and v2 versions. I still think that for the money they are good speakers. The last one a person would ever need? Meh.. perhaps. then again maybe not. There are certainly better speakers out there.

I have a pair of M3's I was using for a while since I could afford to ship them when i moved but I have since found a set of used PSB stratus gold i that i have been enjoying. however in my little apartment I have yet to actually hear them properly. Are they better than the axioms I had? Certainly the construction of the cabinets are nicer and the drivers are better constructed and, at least from what i can tell they sound half decent.

as for the EP600, its a commercial product. Because it does not stand up to a home built sub setup doesnt mean its crap. Comparatively speaking there are plenty of other subs out there that are complete junk just like in any market there are products that are junk and some that are worth their money, The ep600 is still an impressive subwoofer. Maybe a little overpriced in my opinion and could use a more robust cabinet and less port noise at high volumes but hey, you cant have everything unless you do it yourself.

 

[billy p]

Just listening to some music using both sets of speakers. Imho...blind or otherwise its very easy to discern the Sierra from the my Axiom w22. Here lies the trouble....I've concluded that my missus must have hearing damage...because she like the Axioms...go figure..... I even affored her the opportunity for redemption and she failed a second time...the kids OTOH are staying..... I used my RSM and level match both sets of speakers as close as possible, making things simple I used my yamaha ipod dock(main zone & zone 2 setup)as the source. In short, the Acsends image so well you can utterly hear nuances in every song(compressed or otherwise...lol) ...the Axiom sounded good but when switching back and forth they sounded congested IMO. It would have being nice having the m22's on hand, but I don't believe it would have made any difference bass or otherwise? My real focus here was the imaging and more specifically the NrT vs. the aluminium tweeter and they're not even close...unless you talk to my wife....

 

[Midwesthonky]

Ok, this has been an interesting thread and I have certainly spent far more time reading it and NOT analyzing the data for work that I had planned on analyzing...

Anyway, as an Axiom owner I think the whole issue has become overblown. I do enjoy my M60's and the V150 I own. Yes, the 150 may have some issues, but it is significantly better than what I had been running. So it is all a relative issue.

I listed to a LOT of commercially available speakers and used my own ear for what I enjoyed. Some speakers guys swore by sounded very muddled to me. Other, like Klipsch initially sounded great a crisp but I found my ears starting to ache after sitting and listening for awhile. Not too loud either but at a volume I would listen to when at home by myself. Speakers are a very relative to the listener and room type of thing.

For the money, I am very happy with my Axiom setup. Had I had more money to spend, I would have gone with a different brand. But then IF I had more money to spend. I didn't and am very happy with my Axiom setup.

Just my opinion while I am distracted by Mythbusters on the TV reshowing the whizzing on an electric fence episode.

 

[Theresme1]

I don't think there is anything wrong with SVS or it's products and I still see forums member recommend their product, however It seems (IMO) that SVS like many other brands,which were "hip" went mainstream - is they prices lost a bit of the competitiveness edge. Back then SVS was fighting old B&M brands, but nowday there are plenty of ID brands and some of them offering better bang (pun intended) for your buck than SVS today..

I was looking to buy some floor stand speakers and SVS MTS was one that I was looking into. You said that there are other ID brands that offer better bang for your buck than SVS, could please give me some recommendation? Thanks.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Axioms have colorations in vocals, atleast the M3 does when you compare them to tonally accurate headphones. The upper-midrange and treble on Axiom speakers are definitely more on the bright than neutral side, not to mention Axiom will let their metal drivers play up into the break-up modes. Trained listeners will be able to pick that out.

 

[billy p]

Axioms have colorations in vocals, atleast the M3 does when you compare them to tonally accurate headphones. The upper-midrange and treble on Axiom speakers are definitely more on the bright than neutral side, not to mention Axiom will let their metal drivers play up into the break-up modes. Trained listeners will be able to pick that out.

I've don't find the Axiom's speakers bright or harsh as they're often referenced. Shortly, after I decided on purchasing Axiom's and getting them setup I quickly noticed some subtle differences over those of my Energy Rc's but NOT night and day. Yeah..my Energies sounded more laid back and veiled when comparing but neither of them sound anything like the Sierra's. From my limited understanding having never owned Ascend products prior the NrT approach was to take the Sierra 1's to another level with its more transparent nature and aggresssive approach ...that it might be considered a bit bright by some...OTOH...its so airy and dynamic with an incredible soundstage...IMO the best speaker I've owned to date.

 

[MidnightSensi2]

My only experience with Axiom was buying some inwalls from them. The service was excellent and the product was extremely well done for the money. An enclosed inwall for a reasonable price.

In my application, in ceiling firing down through various rooms, I think a little bright isn't too bad. As they fire downward, they are off-axis of the ears and so I believe that may compensate for the brightness. Now that it's been mentioned, I still have a pair in my office that I didn't use still in the box. I'll connect them and do some critical listening if someone wants me to. They are enclosed, so, I don't need to put them in a wall to test 'em out. I'm just saving them for if I ever blow a driver or something in my existing setup (don't want non matching speakers in case Axiom went out of business so I bought an extra pair).

Honestly, though, for my application I wasn't extremely concerned with sound quality as its just for background music, but I was pleasantly surprised and get comments on how nice my inwalls sound. When they find out how little I paid they are pleasantly surprised and a number of friends have bought them for their own home and are enjoying them. *shrug*

I haven't heard any of the other lines, so can't comment.