Pixar Films ranked by Mary Pols: She's a Moron

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Fenix

Audioholic
You know I would agree with her for the most part. I like all pixar movies, but really loved Wall-E the most. They did so much with it with so little words and I think it was quite creative. I'm not sure if I would put up that high on the list, but it is a very touching story.

How would you rank the movies?
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
I watched about ten minutes of Wall-E... I want my ten minutes back.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Mary F. Pols (Author) Accidentally on Purpose
http://www.amazon.com/Accidentally-on-Purpose-P-S-ebook/dp/B001A16X7W
From Publishers Weekly
First-time author Pols fashions an earnest, endearing memoir about how she hit her late 30s without a mate, but still managed to beat her biological clock. Finding herself pregnant at 39 after picking up a cute 29-year-old named Matt at a Bay Area bar, the author, the youngest of a large Catholic family from Maine, resolved to make a go at single motherhood. A successful film critic, if not exactly rich, she nonetheless figured out (with the help of her devoted circle of friends and family) a plan to live and raise the baby, including residing for a spell in a friend's trailer while pregnant. She barely knows her baby daddy, whom she portrays as sweet, if mostly directionless and unemployed. Her book good-naturedly traces some of the early hurdles of her experience, such as telling the Grinch (her father), finding out the sex of the baby and trying to sneak into a film screening with her infant. Candid and unaffected, Pols provides an important lesson about not being willing to compromise herself, and that being brave can bring the richest rewards.
1) 39 years old Cougar picks 10 year younger date and gets knocked-up
2) Write a book about it
. ?
. ?

3) Profit ?
4) Bonus points: Claim yourself as "successful film critic"


p.s: The guy was REALLY DRUNK ....
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

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It's a little bit silly ranking Pixar films, as they're, for the most part, so consistently good that it pretty much boils down to personal preference only. The earlier films aren't quite as well thought out, Cars is the universally acknowledged outlier, and from there on out it's pretty hard to come up with any sensible rank.

That said, other than The Incredibles ranking so low, the list isn't all that different from what I would pick. My top 4 and her top four are the same, just in a different order, and The Incredibles would probably take the 5th spot. I'd have a hard time justifying that, though.

And yes, Wall-E was "a scathing rebuke of modern society", but it was also beautiful, creative, funny and very nearly heartbreaking. If the movie had gone just one more step near the end (I'll avoid spoilers), I would have cried like a little girl. They pulled back from the abyss, though.

P.S. History suggests I'm about 10x more likely to choke up in a Pixar film than in any other films.
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

Audioholic General
4) Bonus points: Claim yourself as "successful film critic"

Well, she writes about movies for Time and MSN. That pretty much counts as "successful film critic". My movie reviews only appear on Netflix user reviews.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Wall-E was pretty average IMO, but I wouldn't put it below Cars, so at least she got that one right in last place. Even though Cars was a Lasseter pet project, I really didn't like it much at all. Other than that, I don't agree with any of her rankings, though most are not too far off of mine.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Well, she writes about movies for Time and MSN. That pretty much counts as "successful film critic". My movie reviews only appear on Netflix user reviews.
No this makes her a professional film critic, not necessarily a successful
Regardless of my hate for pompous a$$ Roger Ebert, he is an example for successful film critic.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
1. Toy Story
2. Monsters Inc
3. Finding Nemo
4. Up
5. The Incredibles
6. A Bugs Life
7. Ratatoullie
8. Wall.E
9. Cars

I don't care about sequels.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
1. Toy Story
2. Monsters Inc
3. Finding Nemo
4. Up
5. The Incredibles
6. A Bugs Life
7. Ratatoullie
8. Wall.E
9. Cars
1. The Incredibles
2. Monsters Inc
3. Everything Else

Really bad ones:
Cars, Ratatoullie, Up
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

Audioholic General
No this makes her a professional film critic, not necessarily a successful
Regardless of my hate for pompous a$$ Roger Ebert, he is an example for successful film critic.
Roger Ebert is a successful film critic in the same way that Bill Gates is an example of a successful businessman, and Albert Einstein is an example of a successful scientist...
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Critics suck.

Generally speakng critics are the worst reviewers of movies that is even possible. While they do have a technical understanding typically of what makes a good movie, what they lack is the ability to properly put themselves into the place of the intended target audience regularly.

This means, that their own personal bias, and often their own personal demand, for what makes a movie 'Quality' is not at all accurate.

If you love art films and find them incredibly enjoyable, then there is nothing about an action sci/fi flick which you are likely to enjoy. It's impossible for a reviewer to objectively fulfill their job if they can't put bias aside and get into the shoes they should be in.

We see this happen over and over if you look at a site like Flixster which offers up user reviews along with Rotten Tomatoes. You get the pros giving a film a 30% positive rating, while people that see the film give it a 70%+ positive rating. That is, if you LIKE that genre, you will likely enjoy the film. 80%+ positive ratings for genres you like almost guarantee you will enjoy it in the theater.

Her List:
1 - Wall-E
2 - Toy Story 3
3 - Ratatouille
4 - Up
5 - Toy Story
6 - Finding Nemo
7 - Monsters Inc.
8 - Toy Story 2
9 - A Bugs Life
10 - The Incredibles
11 - Cars

I would flip a fair bit of this list, because I feel like my kids are supposed to be the target audience, and certain Pixar flicks, while incredibly touching, completely miss their target audience and lose their overall creativity in favor for preaching to us.

My list:
1 - The Incredibles - This is not Pixars most technical work, but the story is gripping and insanely rewatchable. The dynamics of the family are true in a way which other stories come close to, but just don't reach. My kids, starting at two, not only have enjoyed the film (without being scared) but have remembered it and constantly request it after years of viewings.

2 - Finding Nemo - Absolutely great to watch. Creative with humor, visuals, and a story speaking of tolerance, prejudice, and family values. This is the story that Wall-E could have been if it wasn't slapping you in the face with values every step of the way.

3 - Toy Story - This was a creative masterpiece combined with a story to match. Buzz Lightyear & Woody delivered two heroes completely mismatched which kids can glom onto as a pair. Once again, lessons of tolerance not slapping in you in the face.

4 - Monsters Inc. - Pixar seems to get a lot of the 'tolerance' movies in place, but this one hits creativity and fun in a way which only a few surpass. Original characters that are very different... Best friends. Good stuff.

5 - Toy Story 3 - This is how sequels should be done. Much better than Toy Story 2. But, a good story that isn't as original nor as 'fun' as the other movies. If a target audience is kids, then making kids cry isn't really giong to make it a movie that they will even want to remember. Still, a solid way to do it.

6 - Cars - Once again, they just rock originality. This is Pixar showing off, but not just their animation quality... The entire process. Dispargent groups getting together to work things out. Growth and morality combined with a level of excitement that specifically grabs the target audience in a story that is entertaining and enjoyable. Highly rewatchable.

7 - Toy Story 2 - Toy Story, The Adventure Continues! - A very solid sequel to an incredibly original story line. It is the weakest of the Toy Story movies, but maintains fun and originality and the Pixar tolerance for others standard combined with a level of fun which is still a notch above the last four on this list.

This is the big break between what I consider Pixars 7 best, and what I consider their 4 worst. This break is entirely about the target audience and how well it delivers to that audience.

8 - Wall-E - It slaps you in the face. When done with that, it does it again. Just in case you missed it, then maybe a broadknuckle hit in the chest will help you understand it. We are messing up out planet. Wall-E is a great character, but this story runs slower than most of Pixars other films and is the most direct in its blunt story line. Technically, one of their best. Also one of their most recent, so go figure. Enjoyable, and rewatchable, but not as entrapping for the target audience as those listed before.

9 - Ratatouille - Remy is cool, but one of the weakest characters from Pixar as a lead. The story has those same tolerance issues as all those before it, but is far more slap you in the face about it. His family seems far more standoffish than those of other films, and the flip at the end is a fair bit unprovoked based upon prior actions. Fun to watch, but not rewatch again and again. Also, far slower and less excitement than the others.

10 - Up - While enjoyable, this flick is one of the weakest stories for the target audience Pixar has released. Immediately forgettable characters, except Doug, this movie is just not on par with any other new release. It's story is slow, the characters are less humanly believable than the others, and it doesn't grab the attention of kids in the same way that others do. This one was never requested by my kids, and I find myself getting drowsy when I have put it on. Not sure if Pixar could have done more with the story, but it just missed to achieve more than being a good story, which is not acceptable for Pixar.

11 - A Bugs Life - This was early Pixar and it shows. The story is typical. Not as much about acceptance as it is about the underdog turning up roses. Fun, but not as much of the story that captures. My kids probably like this more than Up! or Ratatouille, but this one seems to bore them more as they watch it.

Yeah, probably a bunch that others disagree with entirely, but just my opinion, which holds as much value as Ebert or any other 'professional' reviewer. At the end of the day, it is the target audience which matters. If you doubt this, look at the new Fast & Furious movie and how the target audience reacted to that flick.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
I just saw Cars 2...

Wow! How the mighty have fallen.

This was a sequel in about every regard. It just lacked what Pixar should bring to the table EXCEPT for exceptional technical merit. It was certainly entertaining for my son to watch, but there was just nothing new for him in it. Even technically, they didn't do much. It was like, Michael Bay directed it instead of John Lasseter. ;)

They need a seriously good new idea.
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

Audioholic General
Yeah, probably a bunch that others disagree with entirely, but just my opinion, which holds as much value as Ebert or any other 'professional' reviewer. At the end of the day, it is the target audience which matters. If you doubt this, look at the new Fast & Furious movie and how the target audience reacted to that flick.
Fast Five got an 82% Tomato Meter rating on Rotten Tomatoes among "Top Critics", almost the same as the user rating of 86%. The new X-Men movie is rated highly - that ain't no art house flick.

I really don't get this idea that professional movie critics are a bunch of stuffy pinheads. I really don't see it. Especially Ebert, screenwriter of Beyond The Valley of the Dolls.
 

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