New Power Sipping Media Server

sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I've spent three days getting my media server up and running. Well at least as a file server. It should have been a 1 hour build and 90 minute OS install and update followed by a day of copying data - but my 1st choice in operating systems was a big mistake. That nasty bugger wouldn't install no matter what I did. Anyway here's what I did with my weekend.

Server Hardware List:
  • Apex Vortex mid tower case with 4 front USB ports. A pretty decent little budget case if you don't mind the bright blue lighting. It'll live in my home-office as a nightlight. ;)
  • Asus E35M1-M PRO E350 motherboard w/CPU. It has an older Realtek ALC889 audio chipset (it's a server) but has lots of expandability.
  • 1x 4GB of DDR3 1066. The Asus motherboard has a rep for being picky so I stayed on the compatibility list.
  • Thermaltake TR-380P 380W high efficiency power supply.
  • 1x WD Black 500GB hard drive (boot drive) that I had on hand.
  • 2x WD Green 3TD hard drives mirrored using Windows mirroring.
    I deliberately did not want an optical drive permanently installed.
Software List:
  • [strike]Windows Home Server 2011[/strike] - after hours and hours of trying everything I could think of to get this to load I gave up.
  • Windows 7 Professional - chosen because of its remote access feature.
  • DLNA server to be determined.
  • GoodSync for automated backups.
It's up and running and I'm in the process of copying files over to it. The eventual plan is to add another pair of 3TB drives as a mirrored set and then an add an external eSATA 4.5TB RAID5 array that I have plugged into my main PC. I don't see myself needing more than that but I can always add 2 more external arrays.

I actually built two computers this weekend but I'll get to the second build later. It's spiffy. :D

 
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adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Looks nice.:D

So what kind of errors where you getting when trying to load Home Server? I was going to go with home server but ended up using Server 2003 instead. Do you think it was hardware related?
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
So why the mirror and plan for a dual mirror? if you would have added one more drive you could have done a RAID5. And while this wouldn't have netted you any more storage now, when you wanted to add a drive down the road it would increase the array the entire size of that drive minus a small amount for the parity bits.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
So why the mirror and plan for a dual mirror? if you would have added one more drive you could have done a RAID5. And while this wouldn't have netted you any more storage now, when you wanted to add a drive down the road it would increase the array the entire size of that drive minus a small amount for the parity bits.
I donno, Imho RAID5 with green drives is not a great idea, unless one disable the power saving features
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
btw: It's refreshing to see ala southbridge heatsink and fan on mobo where cpu supposed to be :D
It took me a sec to realize normal size fan is not needed probably
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
I donno, Imho RAID5 with green drives is not a great idea, unless one disable the power saving features
Yeah I know.....I'm just curious as there are so many other options for fault tolerant multi drive arrays IMO mirroring should only be used for the OS. Its very inefficient in many ways.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
It's not a good idea to use 'desktop' drives in a RAID 5. This is because manufacturers have precluded the end user from enabling TLER.

Time Limited Error Recovery is a switch that once turned on gives a drive only a small window of time to recover from an error before mapping the defect to a table so the drive will not attempt to write to that cluster again.

What happens with drives that don't have the TLER option set is they take forever in trying to recover. Long enough that the RAID controller sees a critical even and drops the drive from the array. This is even though nothing is likely that wrong.

If you want a RAID 5 capable drive try the WD RE series.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
It's not a good idea to use 'desktop' drives in a RAID 5. This is because manufacturers have precluded the end user from enabling TLER.
Yea, I know about TLER, but Green drive power saving features makes this case much worse.
Speaking of TLER, I think that software raid-5 (intel matrix storage) should be mostly ok for desktop drives without tler - atleast I'm running Core i3 with intel matrix (software) raid-5 on 4x500gb drives and have no problems and very good performance (80-90 Mbytes/sec) over 1gb lan using CIFS v2 between two windows 2008 servers
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
When installing WHS 2011 the installer would copy the files and then move on to "expanding files" and time out at 0% after about 30 minutes or so. I tried 4 hard drives, 2 different brands of E350 motherboards, different cables, and different optical drives. Windows 7 Pro took a while to start expanding but installed. According to the WHS requirements list it should work. Perhaps my Google Foo is weak but I couldn't find any other useful information either before or after starting the project.

RAID5 with green drives is doable (for home use only) but hit or miss. I've gotten away with it with 4x WD Green 1.5TB in my Intel E4200 NAS for probably a year. Just to be safe I set the go-to-sleep time on the OS to match the drives so that it wouldn't be looking for sleeping drives, I have no clue if it helps but the NAS is working. I have 4x WD Green 1.5TB in my Mediasonic HFR2-SU2S2 ProRAID external HW RAID enclosure. They've been working fine but perhaps it's because it's so slow. Unfortunately none of the E350 based boards that I looked at had a RAID5 controller or I'd have given it a try. I did look at a few HW RAID controllers but they either had problems or cost $500. That's still an option down the road which is why I selected a MB with expansion slots and I still have plenty of room for drives. Besides I caught a sale on WD 3TB drives and there are still plenty of options for the future... I can still add 2 more in RAID1 for a total of about 5.5T, then my external array to get me up to 10T, then a HW RAID5 controller in a slot (4x2T internal) to bring that up to 15T, then up to 4 more external 4x2T RAID5 enclosures. Unfortunately money limited me to 2x3T in RAID1 for now. ;)

Transfers have been going surprisingly quick with data flowing from the 4x1T WD Black RAID5 array in my PC across wired Ethernet to the server at right at ~500Mb/s. Transfers from the Mediasonic attached to my PC were slower at ~280Mb/s.

The MB is officially passively cooled but they include the little CPU fan in case you want active cooling. One more thing about the MB the BIOS setup screen is about the slickest I've seen. Admittedly it's been a while since I've built a system but the interface is a full on mouse enabled GUI and not just plain text menus and once you exit training wheels mode and enter the advanced menu everything you could want is right there.
 
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BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
One more thing about the MB the BIOS setup screen is about the slickest I've seen. Admittedly it's been a while since I've built a system but the interface is a full on mouse enabled GUI and not just plain text menus and once you exit training wheels mode and enter the advanced menu everything you could want is right there.
Yea, new pcs now include EFI which is replacement for good old bios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
http://www.logic.nl/Products/Technology/BIOS-and-EFI.aspx

btw: Why e350 and not Atom?
 
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ashergill

Enthusiast
A little disheartening to know that your WHS 2011 didn't install. I've just received my copy, and plan to build a server out of an old PC in about a week or so. I have successfully installed freeNAS on it, but think that my lack of experience/knowledge with servers will likely lead to trouble down the line. As such, decided to go with WHS; I hope it works. Glad to know that you've got something up and running though :)
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I'm thinking that it just like the E350. I don't know that for sure but that's what I suspect. Once you eliminate the possiblility that it's a a bad drive (I tried 4) or a bad cable (I tried 3) or the motherboard (I tried 2 brands) or the optical drive (I tried 2) then you're left with few other possibilities.

What ticks me off is I'm stuck with a brand new copy of WHS 2011 and still have another Windows 7 Professional license to buy. Oh well live and learn. ;)
 
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