Dr. Jack Kevorkian Dies at 83!!!!!!

Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Folks, just read that Dr. Death himself has passed away at the age of 83. Just thought I would mention it here. Also, thought I would also post a link:

http://insightbb.com/reuters/default.aspx?doc=2011-06-03T164119Z_01_TRE7523JP_RTROPTT_0_USREPORT-US-KEVORKIAN.XML

Dr. Death helped more than 100 people end their lives. Too bad, that is how he will be remembered. RIP!
Phil

I think I'm with you on this, but I'm not sure. Dr. Kevorkian spoke up publically about what had been a controversial and very hushed subject. Yeah, he was an outspoken zealot. But I think it took someone like that to break the taboo. It's obvious that there are more than a few people with drastically opposing opinions on this subject. I know people, including doctors, who are outraged that anyone, especially another MD, could advocate suicide. I also know MDs who admit, in private, that doctor assisted suicide has gone on for as long as they can remember, and they agree it's a good thing.

My father and my mother in law both died of uncureable diseases, cancer and altzheimers dementia. Their final slow decline was difficult and painful for them as it was difficult for all of us to witness. Years later, my lasting feeling is that their deaths may have been inevitable, but no one should have to go through that slow final decline.

I heard the usual smart a$$ coments about Dr. Kevorkian's death - that he didn't do for himself what he advocated and helped others to do. Remember that until about a month before he died of lung and kidney failure as a result of pneumonia, he was apparently in decent health. He didn't face the long slow decline of an uncurable debilitating disease. I wish my father could have died that quickly, instead of with cancer. And it is for people with those diseases that Dr. Kevorkian offered a way out.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
..... it is for people with those diseases that Dr. Kevorkian offered a way out.
I agree.
The problem was that there wasn't enough money in it. Meaning, the system doesn't profit unless it's a slow lingering death, unfortunately.
Tests and more tests, along with life support...that's where the big money is.:(:rolleyes:
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Dr. Death helped more than 100 people end their lives. Too bad, that is how he will be remembered. RIP!

Phil
I agree with that sentiment. It is indeed sad in this day and age of enlightenment, access to education, and more internal shaping of ones morals and thoughts about end of life that many will view him negatively but someone bed ridden and strapped to $300K of machinery for 3-5 years is some how the morally responsible thing to do.

My grandmother suffered from a wasting and debilitating disease. At least she was of sound mind earlier on to make her wishes known about herculean efforts along with a DNR order on file.

Dr. Kevorkian took a moral stand IMO.

This is one point that is not debatable: Dr's and Hospitals make a hell of a lot keeping you alive at that stage then letting you depart with dignity.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
I agree.
The problem was that there wasn't enough money in it. Meaning, the system doesn't profit unless it's a slow lingering death, unfortunately.
Tests and more tests, along with life support...that's where the big money is.:(:rolleyes:
Holy sh!$ something we agree on Rick:D
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
All I have to say is good riddance Jack! You will now find out if what you did was right.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
Phil

I think I'm with you on this, but I'm not sure. Dr. Kevorkian spoke up publically about what had been a controversial and very hushed subject. Yeah, he was an outspoken zealot. But I think it took someone like that to break the taboo. It's obvious that there are more than a few people with drastically opposing opinions on this subject. I know people, including doctors, who are outraged that anyone, especially another MD, could advocate suicide. I also know MDs who admit, in private, that doctor assisted suicide has gone on for as long as they can remember, and they agree it's a good thing.

My father and my mother in law both died of uncureable diseases, cancer and altzheimers dementia. Their final slow decline was difficult and painful for them as it was difficult for all of us to witness. Years later, my lasting feeling is that their deaths may have been inevitable, but no one should have to go through that slow final decline.

I heard the usual smart a$$ coments about Dr. Kevorkian's death - that he didn't do for himself what he advocated and helped others to do. Remember that until about a month before he died of lung and kidney failure as a result of pneumonia, he was apparently in decent health. He didn't face the long slow decline of an uncurable debilitating disease. I wish my father could have died that quickly, instead of with cancer. And it is for people with those diseases that Dr. Kevorkian offered a way out.
Yeah, we are on the same page. You just put it into words much better than I. Thanks for taking the time to bring attention to such issues. Very well written imho. Death is something we all must deal with sooner or later.



Cheers,

Phil
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
All I have to say is good riddance Jack! You will now find out if what you did was right.
I take it you have a problem with keeping the governments nose out of our collective personal lives.

Dr. Kevorkian was a hero to the people he helped.

I wonder how much good that sanctimonious prig of a judge has done for society. It galled to hear her preach from some supposedly morally higher ground.

Pray to whatever god that is out there your end of life is not some 5 year lingering/wasting nightmare.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
So what happens when a patient and their family can not afford the high cost of a 3-5 year "lingering" hospitalized death?
Does our tax money finance this?
Or are they denied treatment (and, if so in what manner).
I believe many hospitals use overdoses of morphine to expedite an otherwise slow and undignified death. That is what happened with my mother, but she had plenty of time to plan and did it at home via a hospice nurse.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
So what happens when a patient and their family can not afford the high cost of a 3-5 year "lingering" hospitalized death?
Does our tax money finance this?
Or are they denied treatment (and, if so in what manner).
I believe many hospitals use overdoses of morphine to expedite an otherwise slow and undignified death. That is what happened with my mother, but she had plenty of time to plan and did it at home via a hospice nurse.
Unfortunately, this is a sad reality for some people. Sorry to hear this happened to your Mother. Moms are special and as such should be treated with the best care we, as a nation, can give them. Thanks for bringing attention to this social ill.



With respect,



Phil
 
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