My Linux build

[BoredSysAdmin]

I switched out PC's and put this in A dell with a 3.4ghz P4 and a new ATI Radion card that I got a few months back. My son is using the HP 3ghz with Win 7 until I get him a new mac. Could I upgrade the processor on this Dell? and if so what could I put in it. It is a dimension 8400.

I think this should work and be some upgrade muscle for that old dell box
http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Pentium-4-672-3-8-GHz-HH80547PG1122MH-Processor-/110684163874?pt=CPUs&hash=item19c54a4f22#ht_500wt_1156

but I'd personally would save the money towards new machine....
Maybe it would worth to make a cheaper offer....

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I love the way MAC fanboys get their panties all stuffed up their butts by the mere suggestion that a PC is just as good and possibly better in some aspects.

Pretty desktop do not impress me and frankly I have not seen anything that can be done on MAC OS that can not be done in Windows. But I do have several applications (not games ) for my work that have no MAC equivalent like Solid Edge and Altium.

Hmm yes there are mac fanboys who do get like that. I worked with a few. I also worked with the PC snobs who thought macs were good only for graphics too.

Pretty desktops are just fun to mess around with and they just add a personal touch much akin to anything someone might personalize like a car, motorcycle, home theater room etc.

My pc zealot comment was not directed towards you personally, by the way, I was only talking in general. I have worked with guys who were all proud of themselves because they knew how to fix something in windows that was technical and stuff. "I had to delete a certain registry key and then reload several dll files, blah, blah, etc, etc." I would always just reply back that I never had the issue on a mac I have met a few Linux fanboys just like that too.

And yes a PC can do anything a mac can do even run mac os if one wants to go through all the trouble to do it. I agree completely with that statement. However, more often than not the mac just does it a little easier and usually the implementation is a little more elegant. Hardware is hardware. OS X is what makes a mac a mac. Throw windows on a mac and you just have a windows box in a prettier case.

There are apps on all sides where you may not find an equivalent. This is true of just about any platform and unfortunately one of the downsides to a Linux box or I would switch completely to Linux because Apple pisses me off just as much as Microsoft does and sometimes even more. I am no mac fanboy as you put it, but I just prefer using OS X as an OS because it is a damn good os. If Apple would release OS X for any PC hardware, I would not own a mac, but I would just make my own with what parts I wanted in it. Which is precisely why they have not done it. And Yes I know about building a Hackintosh, and I am not interested in doing it that way.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I think this should work and be some upgrade muscle for that old dell box
http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Pentium-4-672-3-8-GHz-HH80547PG1122MH-Processor-/110684163874?pt=CPUs&hash=item19c54a4f22#ht_500wt_1156

but I'd personally would save the money towards new machine....
Maybe it would worth to make a cheaper offer....

ahh but still a single core though? Core 2 would not work huh? Everything is different? Going from 3.4 to 3.8 would not be all that noticeable really.

Can someone point me to an easy way to clone a Linux drive so I can restore this thing if it ever crashes? Is there anything like Time machine or carbon copy cloner for Linux?

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

ahh but still a single core though? Core 2 would not work huh? Everything is different? Going from 3.4 to 3.8 would not be all that noticeable really.

Your dell Dim. 8400 has intel 925X or 925XE chipset which doesn't support Core 2 or Original Core processor ether.
Only Pentium 4 Prescott Core CPU. the 3.8 i linked above has doubled cache size, support for x64 and VT plus HT of-course
It's original price was $600

As I said originally - start saving for brand new pc

 

[krzywica]

Well you get the award for dumbest post of the year Even the hard core PC guys here would not agree with that stupid and uninformed statement. Let's see what would I have to be embarrassed about? hmm how about the fact that I am running the most advanced consumer OS there is? Or the fact that it is stable and virtually virus free? how about the fact that I can run just about any OS on my mac in a virtual state via Parallels or VM ware, and with the ability to assign cores to the virtual machines you can run multiple os's side by side at or at near native speeds. Or how about the fact that I can also make my mac a dual, triple or quadrupole boot or more with any combination of OS you might want to have and I can also access those partitions via VMware or Parallels if need be.

So lets see what can I not do with a mac? Oh yeah play games. I can't play games on my mac. Oh wait I can just install Windows 7 and play any PC game I want and when it crashes, slows down or gets a virus I can boot back to OS X and delete the damn partition and start over. Better yet I can leave crappy windows off my mac and get a PS3, Xbox or Wii to play all the games one ever needs. Yep you win, macs and OS X are for not very intelligent people

Virtual PC was outdated in 05 when the company that owned it suckered Microsoft into buying it. It was a complete failure.

I have found that XP runs better in boot camp or with VMware on a mac than on any PC I have ever put it on

Macs are as easy or as difficult as you want them to be.

Think you are so smart then open up a terminal and go to town. Same as any other UNIX machine. If you want some Linux apps on your mac then you go to places like this site http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=platform&substr=linux You quite obviously don't know much about OS X.

Rant much?! LOL.

Also I think he was referring to Virtual Box, which is a Sun developed app that is now Open Source...

I think this should work and be some upgrade muscle for that old dell box
http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Pentium-4-672-3-8-GHz-HH80547PG1122MH-Processor-/110684163874?pt=CPUs&hash=item19c54a4f22#ht_500wt_1156

but I'd personally would save the money towards new machine....
Maybe it would worth to make a cheaper offer....

Looks like he should be rocking the Intel 925x chipset, which is LGA 775, which may or may not support a C2D CPU, you would have to check to see if there is a BIOS update to support it. If it does support a C2D it would certainly be a worthwhile upgrade. I'm still running an E8400 in my main HTPC and its still a very worthy performer for games, HD video playback and just about anything else you can throw at it.

[strike]macfanboy[/strike] jeffsg4mac PM me if you want me to keep an eye out for a used CPU for you as I'm always lurking on a number of hardcore geek forums where stuff goes cheap all the time. Somewhere in the realm of an E6600 or better would be 2-3x faster than your current CPU.

Hmm yes there are mac fanboys who do get like that. I worked with a few. I also worked with the PC snobs who thought macs were good only for graphics too.

Pretty desktops are just fun to mess around with and they just add a personal touch much akin to anything someone might personalize like a car, motorcycle, home theater room etc.

My pc zealot comment was not directed towards you personally, by the way, I was only talking in general. I have worked with guys who were all proud of themselves because they knew had to fix something in windows that was technical and stuff. I would always just reply back that I never had the issue on a mac

And yes a PC can do anything a mac can do even run mac os if one wants to go through all the trouble to do it. I agree completely with that statement. However, more often than not the mac just does it a little easier and usually the implementation is a little more elegant. Hardware is hardware. OS X is what makes a mac a mac. Throw windows on a mac and you just have a windows box in a prettier case.

There are apps on all sides where you may not find an equivalent. This is true of just about any platform and unfortunately one of the downsides to a Linux box or I would switch completely to Linux because Apple pisses me off just as much as Microsoft does sometimes even more. I am no mac fanboy as you put it I just like using OS X as an OS because it is a damn good os.

I think the people that are Mac Zealots don't really have a leg to stand on since Mac decided to ditch the Power PC platform and go to Intel, you gained the ability to natively run Windows, but you lost the bragging rights that go with a more elitist platform.

One things that Mac's don't do well though is corporate integration, and playing well with other devices/systems across a large network....Typically the only place you will find Mac's in a corporate environment is in the marketing department or graphics department, and even then they are off the domain and on their own little network, because thay are a pain in the @$$ to support unless you have a mac server on the backend talking to the nodes....and even then they are still a huge pain. I think this lends credence to the "Mac's are only for goofing around" cleché.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Rant much?! LOL.

Also I think he was referring to Virtual Box, which is a Sun developed app that is now Open Source...

Looks like he should be rocking the Intel 925x chipset, which is LGA 775, which may or may not support a C2D CPU, you would have to check to see if there is a BIOS update to support it. If it does support a C2D it would certainly be a worthwhile upgrade. I'm still running an E8400 in my main HTPC and its still a very worthy performer for games, HD video playback and just about anything else you can throw at it.

[strike]macfanboy[/strike] jeffsg4mac PM me if you want me to keep an eye out for a used CPU for you as I'm always lurking on a number of hardcore geek forums where stuff goes cheap all the time. Somewhere in the realm of an E6600 or better would be 2-3x faster than your current CPU.

I think the people that are Mac Zealots don't really have a leg to stand on since Mac decided to ditch the Power PC platform and go to Intel, you gained the ability to natively run Windows, but you lost the bragging rights that go with a more elitist platform.

One things that Mac's don't do well though is corporate integration, and playing well with other devices/systems across a large network....Typically the only place you will find Mac's in a corporate environment is in the marketing department or graphics department, and even then they are off the domain and on their own little network, because thay are a pain in the @$$ to support unless you have a mac server on the backend talking to the nodes....and even then they are still a huge pain. I think this lends credence to the "Mac's are only for goofing around" cleché.

The latest versions of OS X are certainly much better at integrating than in the past. They are pretty much seamless now. That was an issue before though because I used to deal with it on a daily basis.

How can I find out exactly which chipset I have in this thing. Is it listed in the BIOS?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Rant much?! LOL.



I think the people that are Mac Zealots don't really have a leg to stand on since Mac decided to ditch the Power PC platform and go to Intel, you gained the ability to natively run Windows, but you lost the bragging rights that go with a more elitist platform.

I'm not ranting I just don't like misinformation about anything, Linux, Mac, even Windows. If some hippee mac punk started saying something like there are no good video editors for windows or something like that I would respond much the same way.

Now we just have bragging rights to the Elitist OS

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

How can I find out exactly which chipset I have in this thing. Is it listed in the BIOS?

Cpu-z - http://www.cpuid.com/

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Cpu-z - http://www.cpuid.com/

Think it will run under WINE?

 

[krzywica]

Cpu-z - http://www.cpuid.com/

Yeah what BSA suggested is the easiest route as it doesn't require any installation....AFAIK you are running Linux though...

Try running one of these commands from terminal..

dmidecode -t 4

or

dmidecode -t 10

One or both of those should [strike]give me complete control of your internal network[/strike] show you what chipset you are running...

 

[krzywica]

I'm not ranting I just don't like misinformation about anything, Linux, Mac, even Windows. If some hippee mac punk started saying something like there are no good video editors for windows or something like that I would respond much the same way.

Now we just have bragging rights to the Elitist OS

Yeah I know...we locked horns initially as you can come across as a fanboy at times.....so I still give you a good ribbing about it when I can.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Yeah what BSA suggested is the easiest route as it doesn't require any installation....AFAIK you are running Linux though...

Try running one of these commands from terminal..

dmidecode -t 4

or

dmidecode -t 10

One or both of those should [strike]give me complete control of your internal network[/strike] show you what chipset you are running...

hehe,

Ok I will try it.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Here is what came back.


SMBIOS 2.3 present.

Handle 0x0400, DMI type 4, 32 bytes
Processor Information
Socket Designation: Microprocessor
Type: Central Processor
Family: Pentium 4
Manufacturer: Intel
ID: 34 0F 00 00 FF FB EB BF
Signature: Type 0, Family 15, Model 3, Stepping 4
Flags:
FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip)
VME (Virtual mode extension)
DE (Debugging extension)
PSE (Page size extension)
TSC (Time stamp counter)
MSR (Model specific registers)
PAE (Physical address extension)
MCE (Machine check exception)
CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported)
APIC (On-chip APIC hardware supported)
SEP (Fast system call)
MTRR (Memory type range registers)
PGE (Page global enable)
MCA (Machine check architecture)
CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported)
PAT (Page attribute table)
PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension)
CLFSH (CLFLUSH instruction supported)
DS (Debug store)
ACPI (ACPI supported)
MMX (MMX technology supported)
FXSR (Fast floating-point save and restore)
SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions)
SSE2 (Streaming SIMD extensions 2)
SS (Self-snoop)
HTT (Hyper-threading technology)
TM (Thermal monitor supported)
PBE (Pending break enabled)
Version: Not Specified
Voltage: 1.6 V
External Clock: 800 MHz
Max Speed: 4000 MHz
Current Speed: 3400 MHz
Status: Populated, Enabled
Upgrade: ZIF Socket
L1 Cache Handle: 0x0700
L2 Cache Handle: 0x0701
L3 Cache Handle: Not Provided

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Yeah what BSA suggested is the easiest route as it doesn't require any installation....AFAIK you are running Linux though...

Try running one of these commands from terminal..

dmidecode -t 4

or

dmidecode -t 10

One or both of those should [strike]give me complete control of your internal network[/strike] show you what chipset you are running...

Oops, yes... I forgot - Do what he said... Bios wont be much help...
Basically it doesn't even matter if its 925X or 925XE. Neither have support for processors other than Prescott...

ps: I doubt Cpu-z will run with wine, not even champagne will make it work on linux , but you could try some live-windows-pe dist like Ultimate Boot CD

 

[krzywica]

Oops, yes... I forgot - Do what he said... Bios wont be much help...
Basically it doesn't even matter if its 925X or 925XE. Neither have support for processors other than Prescott...

ps: I doubt Cpu-z will run with wine, not even champagne will make it work on linux , but you could try some live-windows-pe dist like Ultimate Boot CD

Ahh ok well I didn't have any time to dig up what CPU the 925X chipset supported...in that case....DO NOT buy a prescott CPU. Worst processors ever.

On a side note I found this website today and cannot stop laughing...

http://generalhilarity.tumblr.com

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Well I will just leave it as is which is fine. I have already started saving for a new mac anyway. This is just for messing around with. I hope Apple releases something to bridge the gap between the iMac and Mac Pro's. I really want a tower for around $1200 that I can add to at my leisure. Like the Old G4 towers. I am not holding my breath though.

 

[Shock]

Speaking of CPU-Z....who's having problems validating with the newest release?

Oh I almost forgot.....

P.S. Mac's are gay.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Speaking of CPU-Z....who's having problems validating with the newest release?

Oh I almost forgot.....

P.S. Mac's are gay.

No macs are not gay just a lot of the people who use them are. Trust me on this as I used to do support for them at the corporate office of a nationwide chain of stores who's direct competiton was the sharper image. I think you might figure the rest out on your own, but in case you can't it rhymes with a popular brand of sour cream

 

[Shock]

No macs are not gay just a lot of the people who use them are. Trust me on this as I used to do support for them at the corporate office of a nationwide chain of stores who's direct competiton was the sharper image. I think you might figure the rest out on your own, but in case you can't it rhymes with a popular brand of sour cream

Dude....I'm Canadian.....I have no idea what either of those stores are.

If it doesn't have a moose or beaver as a mascot then we don't have them, wait, or beer.

Beer, moose, and beavers.....that's it.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Dude....I'm Canadian.....I have no idea what either of those stores are.

If it doesn't have a moose or beaver as a mascot then we don't have them, wait, or beer.

Beer, moose, and beavers.....that's it.

I love beer, I never tried moose, but I certainly love beaver

Just what the hell this has to do with Linux I don't know