Alright, Let Me Put it This Way When it Comes to Adding an EQ with no Tape Loop...

[PearlcorderS701]

Please, people, let's try to keep this civil and without any hostile tones or comments that are going to spin this thread into a name-calling contest...

With regard to my adding a graphic equalizer to a (stereo) receiver that doesn't have a "Tape 2" loop (only one "Tape" in/out hookup) or a preamp out/amp in design, what if I were to buy an external stereo power amp and use my Onkyo TX-8555 receiver as a preamp (it has preamps out as far as I am aware) -- could an EQ then be run in line with this system?

 

[markw]

That was first answered in post two of your other thread on this subject. And, it was restated several other times in that same thread.

Don't you remember? Or did you not understand it then?

 

[TLS Guy]

TSTOE pure and simple.

 

[WaynePflughaupt]

With regard to my adding a graphic equalizer to a (stereo) receiver... what if I were to buy an external stereo power amp and use my Onkyo TX-8555 receiver as a preamp (it has preamps out as far as I am aware) -- could an EQ then be run in line with this system?

If you're talking about one of those 10-band graphic EQs that were popular in the '70s and '80s, there may be cause for concern. They were designed to connect to a tape monitor loop, which is a known-voltage signal. It's possible that a pre-amp output could be a higher voltage with the volume turned up high, which would cause the EQ to clip.

Perhaps some of our Members who are better versed in electronics can comment. But if that's case, the obvious solution is to use a pro-grade EQ.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

 

[PearlcorderS701]

If you're talking about one of those 10-band graphic EQs that were popular in the '70s and '80s, there may be cause for concern. They were designed to connect to a tape monitor loop, which is a known-voltage signal. It's possible that a pre-amp output could be a higher voltage with the volume turned up high, which would cause the EQ to clip.

Perhaps some of our Members who are better versed in electronics can comment. But if that's case, the obvious solution is to use a pro-grade EQ.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

Hello Wayne,

Thank you for your reply. Indeed, I'm talking about those kinds of EQs with the sliding bands, which included a spectrum analyzer display as well...I want to add one of those (stereo) to my 2-channel system, but my stereo receiver which drives this setup (an Onkyo TX-8555) does not have TAPE 2 ins and outs -- there's only one "TAPE" hookup. I realize, as you pointed out, that these were designed to connect to a TAPE 2 loop of a preamp/receiver, and so that's why I wanted to know if there was another way around this being that my receiver doesn't have a TAPE 2 loop...

As for the pro EQ -- I would consider that as well, but how would it connect differently to my system, being that there's no TAPE 2 loop, as compared to the other graphic EQs we're talking about?

 

[TLS Guy]

Hello Wayne,

Thank you for your reply. Indeed, I'm talking about those kinds of EQs with the sliding bands, which included a spectrum analyzer display as well...I want to add one of those (stereo) to my 2-channel system, but my stereo receiver which drives this setup (an Onkyo TX-8555) does not have TAPE 2 ins and outs -- there's only one "TAPE" hookup. I realize, as you pointed out, that these were designed to connect to a TAPE 2 loop of a preamp/receiver, and so that's why I wanted to know if there was another way around this being that my receiver doesn't have a TAPE 2 loop...

As for the pro EQ -- I would consider that as well, but how would it connect differently to my system, being that there's no TAPE 2 loop, as compared to the other graphic EQs we're talking about?

As explained to you again and again, you need an external amp to add an Eq to your rig. Your other option is some good vintage gear, which if you pick it carefully will be a step up from what you have.

There is nothing else to say, so don't flog another thread to death.

 

[highfigh]

Hello Wayne,

Thank you for your reply. Indeed, I'm talking about those kinds of EQs with the sliding bands, which included a spectrum analyzer display as well...I want to add one of those (stereo) to my 2-channel system, but my stereo receiver which drives this setup (an Onkyo TX-8555) does not have TAPE 2 ins and outs -- there's only one "TAPE" hookup. I realize, as you pointed out, that these were designed to connect to a TAPE 2 loop of a preamp/receiver, and so that's why I wanted to know if there was another way around this being that my receiver doesn't have a TAPE 2 loop...

As for the pro EQ -- I would consider that as well, but how would it connect differently to my system, being that there's no TAPE 2 loop, as compared to the other graphic EQs we're talking about?

If you look at the front or rear panel of most consumer grade graphic equalizers, you'll see that the front has a Tape Monitor switch and the rear has a set of jacks for input and output so a tape recorder can be connected. That's so it can be connected to a receiver or integrated amp that only has one tape loop. These aren't made to connect from preamp out to power amp in.

If you're going to look for these kinds of things, you'll need to look at the details- glossing over the features without checking it closer is futile and if you don't provide model numbers for the equalizers in question, it's impossible for anyone to say if it will work.

 

[TLS Guy]

If you look at the front or rear panel of most consumer grade graphic equalizers, you'll see that the front has a Tape Monitor switch and the rear has a set of jacks for input and output so a tape recorder can be connected. That's so it can be connected to a receiver or integrated amp that only has one tape loop. These aren't made to connect from preamp out to power amp in.

If you're going to look for these kinds of things, you'll need to look at the details- glossing over the features without checking it closer is futile and if you don't provide model numbers for the equalizers in question, it's impossible for anyone to say if it will work.

It does work however, as long as you don't want to connect a tape recorder directly to the equalizer.

 

[WaynePflughaupt]

As for the pro EQ -- I would consider that as well, but how would it connect differently to my system, being that there's no TAPE 2 loop, as compared to the other graphic EQs we're talking about?

There is no difference. Any equalizer - pro or consumer - will have to connect between your AVR’s pre-amp outputs and an outboard amplifier.

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Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

 

[markw]

And so, the circle of life continues...

From this point on, we can just go here and start from post # 2.

When done with that thread, simply return to the top of this thread.

Repeat as necessary.

FWIW, the original question was definitively answered in post 21 of that thread in one or two simple sentences by Matt34, a moderator here but, alas, his input was totally ignored by OP in order to keep that thread alive.

If, after these two threads, the function, use, and placment in the signal path, of an equalizer isn't clear to the OP, do you really think it will ever be?

Is this horse finally flogged to death now? ...or do we want to continue to beat it?

 

[highfigh]

It does work however, as long as you don't want to connect a tape recorder directly to the equalizer.

Unless high SPL and a frantic attempt to turn the volume down are the goal.

 

[highfigh]

Is this horse finally flogged to death now? ...or do we want to continue to beat it?

I think I just saw it twitch but that could just be nerve impulses. I didn't check for a pulse.

 

[PearlcorderS701]

There is no difference. Any equalizer - pro or consumer - will have to connect between your AVR’s pre-amp outputs and an outboard amplifier.

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Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

I'm only basing it on what you said, specifically, here:

But if that's case, the obvious solution is to use a pro-grade EQ.

 

[PearlcorderS701]

If you look at the front or rear panel of most consumer grade graphic equalizers, you'll see that the front has a Tape Monitor switch and the rear has a set of jacks for input and output so a tape recorder can be connected. That's so it can be connected to a receiver or integrated amp that only has one tape loop.

I understand that -- I've used EQs in the past and know there is a Tape Monitor switch in the front, to send the EQ in and out of the path. But now you're saying it's to be connected to a receiver or integrated amp that has only ONE TAPE LOOP...so does that mean my standard TAPE in/out on my unit can suffice, or it MUST be a tape LOOP?

These aren't made to connect from preamp out to power amp in.

I'm only going by what others have said about this in the previous thread -- there were many mentions of connecting an EQ through the preamp sections...

If you're going to look for these kinds of things, you'll need to look at the details- glossing over the features without checking it closer is futile and if you don't provide model numbers for the equalizers in question, it's impossible for anyone to say if it will work.

I'm not glossing over any features -- I know that I want a graphic equalizer (stereo) with a spectrum analyzer readout to connect to my stereo receiver which doesn't have a tape LOOP. One model I had in mind was this, which seems to be popular:

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-EQ200-10-Band-Graphic-Equalizer/dp/B00001P584/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1303342910&sr=1-1

Or something like:

http://www.amazon.com/TECHNICAL-PRO-2347-PROFESSIONAL-EQUALIZER/dp/B001DET3YQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1303342910&sr=1-2

My main concern is whether or not I could run the EQ through the TAPE connections of my receiver, and then run the CD recorder through the back of the EQ's ins and outs, but I don't think that would work, according to what I have been gathering from all of you, because of the fact that the standard TAPE connections of the receiver aren't real LOOPS which an EQ needs...

 

[markw]

I think I just saw it twitch but that could just be nerve impulses. I didn't check for a pulse.

I'm hoping it's just rigor mortis.

 

[highfigh]

I understand that -- I've used EQs in the past and know there is a Tape Monitor switch in the front, to send the EQ in and out of the path. But now you're saying it's to be connected to a receiver or integrated amp that has only ONE TAPE LOOP...so does that mean my standard TAPE in/out on my unit can suffice, or it MUST be a tape LOOP?

I'm only going by what others have said about this in the previous thread -- there were many mentions of connecting an EQ through the preamp sections...

I'm not glossing over any features -- I know that I want a graphic equalizer (stereo) with a spectrum analyzer readout to connect to my stereo receiver which doesn't have a tape LOOP. One model I had in mind was this, which seems to be popular:

My main concern is whether or not I could run the EQ through the TAPE connections of my receiver, and then run the CD recorder through the back of the EQ's ins and outs, but I don't think that would work, according to what I have been gathering from all of you, because of the fact that the standard TAPE connections of the receiver aren't real LOOPS which an EQ needs...

Tape IN/OUT IS a tape loop.

What will you learn from the spectrum analyzer? What it shows isn't your room's response unless it has RTA function with a mic input. The spectrogram only shows what the signal is doing and if you try, for instance, to achieve flat response, it doesn't mean your sound will be great, or even good.

I have never heard of Technical Pro. Remember- having 'Pro' or 'Professional' on it doesn't make it so. If you want a real professional EQ, it won't be $127.

 

[markw]

Tape IN/OUT IS a tape loop.

Don't go there. You'll regret it. Just look at that oher thread.

What will you learn from the spectrum analyzer? What it shows isn't your room's response unless it has RTA function with a mic input. The spectrogram only shows what the signal is doing and if you try, for instance, to achieve flat response, it doesn't mean your sound will be great, or even good.

It's totally useless but it looks kewl and can hypnotize the simple minded (or stoned*) for hours on end. Remember color organs?

*Ah, the 60's...

 

[PearlcorderS701]

Tape IN/OUT IS a tape loop.

That's NOT what I have been told, in this, or the previous, thread...I was told the standard TAPE IN/OUT WILL NOT WORK because it's not a TRUE TAPE LOOP...that's why I'm confused. All I have is ONE TAPE IN/OUT connection out back of this receiver -- but then I wouldn't know what to do with my CD recorder...where does that hook up for analog recordings from, say, a turntable?

Are you saying the TAPE hookup -- even though it does NOT say TAPE 2/MONITOR -- of my receiver will work?

What will you learn from the spectrum analyzer? What it shows isn't your room's response unless it has RTA function with a mic input. The spectrogram only shows what the signal is doing and if you try, for instance, to achieve flat response, it doesn't mean your sound will be great, or even good.

It's not for scientific measurements or room analysis; I just prefer one.

I have never heard of Technical Pro. Remember- having 'Pro' or 'Professional' on it doesn't make it so. If you want a real professional EQ, it won't be $127.

I'm not THINKING that because this brand says PRO in its moniker, that it's a PROFESSIONAL piece of gear -- I was giving you EXAMPLES of what I had in mind as far as an EQ AFTER YOU REQUESTED I provide input on the products I was looking at...

 

[TLS Guy]

Tape IN/OUT IS a tape loop.

No it is not. You have to have a switch that will switch between the input and the recorder off tape monitor (tape in on the preamp) and keep the selected input at the tape out.

You just don't find these any more. My Quad 44 even has two monitor loops and you can bounce a recording from one to the other.

 

[markw]

Uh Oh... He's getting argumentative now.

He does this when he gets conflicting information which, consiering the number of (wasted) responses he gets) is inevitable.

Now he's playing us against each other now.

It's interesting that, from all the responses he's gotten on this subject on these two threads, that he still doesn't have enough of a basis to grasp the basic concept but yet, he picks up enough to try play his generous respondents against each other.

Strange, isn't it?

So, what's the definition of a troll?

....just consider me the Greek Chorus here.