Alright, Let Me Put it This Way When it Comes to Adding an EQ with no Tape Loop...

[markw]

Uh oh... I tried to warn ya, Highfigh.

That's NOT what I have been told, in this, or the previous, thread...I was told the standard TAPE IN/OUT WILL NOT WORK because it's not a TRUE TAPE LOOP...that's why I'm confused.

I tried to warn ya, but it was too late. You've incurred the wrath of the vainglorious Pearlnecklace.

See? No good deed goes unpunished with this guy. The more ya try to help, the more grief you get.

Sometimes, it's just best to back away slowly, maintain eye contact, and make no threatening moves.

 

[Alex2507]

....just consider me the Greek Chorus here.

Greek Chorus Definition

For a second there I thought it was some sort of code for 'Doug, I want you now'.

 

[highfigh]

That's NOT what I have been told, in this, or the previous, thread...I was told the standard TAPE IN/OUT WILL NOT WORK because it's not a TRUE TAPE LOOP...that's why I'm confused. All I have is ONE TAPE IN/OUT connection out back of this receiver -- but then I wouldn't know what to do with my CD recorder...where does that hook up for analog recordings from, say, a turntable?

Are you saying the TAPE hookup -- even though it does NOT say TAPE 2/MONITOR -- of my receiver will work?

t's not for scientific measurements or room analysis; I just prefer one.

I'm not THINKING that because this brand says PRO in its moniker, that it's a PROFESSIONAL piece of gear -- I was giving you EXAMPLES of what I had in mind as far as an EQ AFTER YOU REQUESTED I provide input on the products I was looking at...

I don't know who told you that, but it really isn't an absolute. Think about what a tape loop is- it's a complete circuit, but only when a recorder or other device is connected to it and active. Otherwise, it's sending signal to the output jack and waiting to accept signal from the recorder or other device.

If you have a CD recorder and no cassette or open reel recorder, you would connect it to the EQ's tape loop and the EQ would have its own Tape Monitor switch to provide the same function as the one on the receiver or integrated amp. Your source selector would determine what you're recording, whether it's from the tuner, turntable or other input.

Another problem with using the Tape 2 loop is that many receivers don't allow it to let you monitor the source the way Tape 1 does and that eliminates using an EQ as a possibility. Many of the receivers and integrated amps I have seen in the 30+ years of working with this stuff use Tape 1 for this. It really depends on how it was designed and there's a lot of variation out there, unfortunately.

Personally, performance means a lot more than flashing lights for any equipment purchases I would ever make. Signal/Noise and low distortion matter far more than any kind of graphic representation the equipment may show, especially since my equipment isn't even in my living room- it's all in a closet behind me.

In the bar/restaurant installations I do, I actually prefer equalizers that have a plain face and use a PC to program it because so many people who work around them think they know how it should be set, which means I get unnecessary service calls and the owner ends up paying for damage that should never have occurred. Since these EQs are more expensive, I usually end up using a normal one and put a cover over the face so people can't mess with it.

 

[highfigh]

No it is not. You have to have a switch that will switch between the input and the recorder off tape monitor (tape in on the preamp) and keep the selected input at the tape out.

You just don't find these any more. My Quad 44 even has two monitor loops and you can bounce a recording from one to the other.

They exist, but they're sometimes called 'Adapter'.

 

[highfigh]

He does this when he gets conflicting information which, consiering the number of (wasted) responses he gets) is inevitable.

Now he's playing us against each other now.

It's interesting that, from all the responses he's gotten on this subject on these two threads, that he still doesn't have enough of a basis to grasp the basic concept but yet, he picks up enough to try play his generous respondents against each other.

Strange, isn't it?

So, what's the definition of a troll?

....just consider me the Greek Chorus here.

Does this mean it's time for a group hug?

 

[PearlcorderS701]

I don't know who told you that, but it really isn't an absolute. Think about what a tape loop is- it's a complete circuit, but only when a recorder or other device is connected to it and active. Otherwise, it's sending signal to the output jack and waiting to accept signal from the recorder or other device.

If you have a CD recorder and no cassette or open reel recorder, you would connect it to the EQ's tape loop and the EQ would have its own Tape Monitor switch to provide the same function as the one on the receiver or integrated amp. Your source selector would determine what you're recording, whether it's from the tuner, turntable or other input.

Another problem with using the Tape 2 loop is that many receivers don't allow it to let you monitor the source the way Tape 1 does and that eliminates using an EQ as a possibility. Many of the receivers and integrated amps I have seen in the 30+ years of working with this stuff use Tape 1 for this. It really depends on how it was designed and there's a lot of variation out there, unfortunately.

Personally, performance means a lot more than flashing lights for any equipment purchases I would ever make. Signal/Noise and low distortion matter far more than any kind of graphic representation the equipment may show, especially since my equipment isn't even in my living room- it's all in a closet behind me.

In the bar/restaurant installations I do, I actually prefer equalizers that have a plain face and use a PC to program it because so many people who work around them think they know how it should be set, which means I get unnecessary service calls and the owner ends up paying for damage that should never have occurred. Since these EQs are more expensive, I usually end up using a normal one and put a cover over the face so people can't mess with it.

No matter what you're being told by certain characters on here -- and this is actually quite laughable -- I am NOT trying to "pit you against one another"; how ridiculous to even think that. What I am saying is that in the previous thread about this matter, it was made PERFECTLY CLEAR to me by certain "characters" again -- one in particular who now claims I am pitting you all against one another when it was HIM to stated that a standard TAPE hookup couldn't be used for this -- that no, a TAPE in/out interface couldn't be used. This is in reaction to your statement here:

I don't know who told you that, but it really isn't an absolute. Think about what a tape loop is- it's a complete circuit, but only when a recorder or other device is connected to it and active. Otherwise, it's sending signal to the output jack and waiting to accept signal from the recorder or other device.

Now, you know "who" told me that standard TAPE on the receiver COULDN'T be used.

With regard to the "performance of the gear" being more important than the lights its displaying, etc., my gear isn't in a closet behind me, as yours is -- so I have my reasons for desiring the spectrum analyzer. I'd like to monitor the changes to the frequencies I make in the sliding bands.

As for what you're saying about the EQ/TAPE hookup -- what would be the connection then if you're stating I CAN use the open TAPE interface...would it be EQ IN/OUT > RECEIVER'S TAPE IN/OUT and then the CD recorder's ANALOG IN/OUT > EQ REAR?

 

[highfigh]

No matter what you're being told by certain characters on here -- and this is actually quite laughable -- I am NOT trying to "pit you against one another"; how ridiculous to even think that. What I am saying is that in the previous thread about this matter, it was made PERFECTLY CLEAR to me by certain "characters" again -- one in particular who now claims I am pitting you all against one another when it was HIM to stated that a standard TAPE hookup couldn't be used for this -- that no, a TAPE in/out interface couldn't be used. This is in reaction to your statement here:

Now, you know "who" told me that standard TAPE on the receiver COULDN'T be used.

With regard to the "performance of the gear" being more important than the lights its displaying, etc., my gear isn't in a closet behind me, as yours is -- so I have my reasons for desiring the spectrum analyzer. I'd like to monitor the changes to the frequencies I make in the sliding bands.

As for what you're saying about the EQ/TAPE hookup -- what would be the connection then if you're stating I CAN use the open TAPE interface...would it be EQ IN/OUT > RECEIVER'S TAPE IN/OUT and then the CD recorder's ANALOG IN/OUT > EQ REAR?

I'm not the one who mentioned pitting members against each other and this thread doesn't bother me, at all.

If you have a spare RCA cable (pair), plug it into the REC/Play jacks and flip the Tape Monitor switch- if you still hear the source, you can use an equalizer and if the sound stops when you have no cables plugged into these jacks, it further verifies this.

It would be REC Out --->EQ INPUT and EQ OUTPUT --->Tape IN (may be called PLAY)

 

[Matt34]

Usually when threads get closed it's because they get personal or way off-track and we, as mods, frown on someone starting up another thread covering the exact same trivial topic, especially since it's already been answered.

Report this to Gene, play the victim, I don't care, but you're pulling the same routine that has gotten you the boot from other forums. You would think you would get the hint.