Oppo 93 / 95 - Worth an upgrade?

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HitsOfMisses

Enthusiast
Hi,

I'm working on upgrading my existing 10 yrs old HT system. The key components of my setup is Kenwood VR-4090 Receiver, Nakamichi RX-505 Tape deck, Tyler Acoustic Linbrook System II Front & Center speakers, etc.

Initially, I'm thinking of getting a 3D Blu-Ray player. I was considering Panasonic DMP-BDT 105P ($130), Sony BDP-BX-57 ($140) or Samsung BD-C6800 ($170) all available at Costco until I read about Oppo here. Oppo 93 is almost 3 times the cost of the above players & Oppo 95, a whopping $1000!!! I read the reviews & comments in the forum but it's difficult to comprehend some of the terms. Everyone talks as if they're a sound engineer. :)

My question is, is BDP-93 worth that extra $350 or should I spend additional $850 & get BDP-95? How do you justify that kind of expenses? I mean, will the picture & audio quality 3 times better?

My next upgrade would be a used/ refurbished receiver from Marantz or Denon in $1000-$2500 range. Used/ Refurbished because I believe in getting value for my $$$ w/o compromising on the quality & paying the full price. I'm also considering getting a Tube amplifier from 80s later on.

My question is I know 95 provides great audio o/p but will it be better than what a Tube amplifier can provide or receiver in the above $$ range?

I would appreciate a response from anyone who's used such equipments. Thanks for taking time & posting your comments.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
An Oppo is worthwhile only if you are going to use some special quality of it, such as SACD or DVD-Audio playback, use its analog outputs, or are concerned about the very best upscaling of DVDs. For BD playback, if you were to use a modern receiver with HDMI inputs and the new audio formats, the sound would not be better with an Oppo than with anything else. For inexpensive BD players, I recommend Panasonic, as they are inexpensive, perform well, and they are good about updating firmware as needed. They also tend to upscale DVDs better than one would probably expect.
 
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HitsOfMisses

Enthusiast
I forgot to add.

Right now, I do not have any SACD or DVD-A audio & I'm not sure if I'll be buying it in the future.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I forgot to add.

Right now, I do not have any SACD or DVD-A audio & I'm not sure if I'll be buying it in the future.
Since both SACD and DVD-A are more or less dead, I doubt many will be likely to be picking these formats up. There are still some discs coming out, but very few and those that are considered the top titles to have that were previously released and out of print are quite expensive to acquire.

Whether or not it is worth an upgrade depends on what you are looking for. The Oppos are world class players, but if all you are looking for is playback of blu-ray and 3D, and not focusing on the audio side, then the Oppos might not be necessary. PQ will be pretty similar on the Panasonics, Sonys, etc..., but as Pyrrho mentioned, upscaling of DVDs will likely be superior. What the 95 gets you is an upgraded analog section which makes for a nice audio player. I have the previous one, the 83SE and I am very pleased with it.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I forgot to add.

Right now, I do not have any SACD or DVD-A audio & I'm not sure if I'll be buying it in the future.
If you are going to just use the HDMI output (and if you can, you probably should), then it is almost certainly not worth it to get the Oppo, and you should just buy a Panasonic instead and save your money for future upgrades of your speakers or whatever.
 
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HitsOfMisses

Enthusiast
Hmmm.

What if, instead I get the 95 & keep the existing setup (Kenwood VR-4090 receiver, Nakamichi RX-505 Tape, etc.). It's pre-decade, but if the 95 has enough juice to drive my Tyler Acooustics Linbrook System II speakers for both music & movies then it'll serve as pre-amp & I won't have the need to upgrade to an 3D HDMI receiver for a while.

Don't you think?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Hmmm.

What if, instead I get the 95 & keep the existing setup (Kenwood VR-4090 receiver, Nakamichi RX-505 Tape, etc.). It's pre-decade, but if the 95 has enough juice to drive my Tyler Acooustics Linbrook System II speakers for both music & movies then it'll serve as pre-amp & I won't have the need to upgrade to an 3D HDMI receiver for a while.

Don't you think?
Given the price difference, I would recommend that you buy the Panasonic for $130 (which is a good price for it), and put the savings of $870 into updating the receiver instead.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Hmmm.

What if, instead I get the 95 & keep the existing setup (Kenwood VR-4090 receiver, Nakamichi RX-505 Tape, etc.). It's pre-decade, but if the 95 has enough juice to drive my Tyler Acooustics Linbrook System II speakers for both music & movies then it'll serve as pre-amp & I won't have the need to upgrade to an 3D HDMI receiver for a while.

Don't you think?
If the 4090 has multichannel analog inputs, then you could get the Panasonic BD-85 which has multichannel analog out; the BD65 only has stereo analog out. Both the Oppo 93 and 95 have multichannel analog outs as well.

I think Pyrrho's idea is a good one as well, as that will be more of an update into the current era. If the 4090 doesn't have multichannel analog inputs, then you don't have much choice on that front anyway.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
How do I determine if I've multi-channel analog i/p? Here's the manual for VR-4090. Page 8 has rear panel layout.

http://manuals.kenwood.novenaweb.info/languages/EN/support/manuals/KRF-V7773DSetup.pdf
Look on pages 16 & 17 to see a discussion of your multichannel analog inputs. On the page you mention, they are in the grey area just to the right of where the video connectionss in the illustration are located.

From what you have said about your needs, I would not spend the extra on an Oppo, and would go with a Panasonic, either with a low end unit (if I were going to replace the receiver) or with one with multichannel analog outputs which will cost slightly more.

Unless you have a laserdisc player and are using the AC-3 input, before I spent a fortune on a BD player, I would replace the receiver and then buy a low end Panasonic BD player in your case. The setup would be easier if you did that, because if you use the multichannel analog inputs, you will be needing to do the channel balancing and such with the player's options. This also means that whenever you change your furniture or speakers or anything that affects these matters, you will need to deal with balancing and such with both the player for the multichannel analog input, and also with the receiver for all of the other inputs. And unless you have an SPL meter and are good at using it, you will not get these things as accurate as you could with a modern receiver that has built-in automatic setup (where one plugs a microphone into the receiver, pushes a few buttons, and it then plays test tones for itself and adjusts the channel balance and delays automatically while you go make yourself a cup of coffee; it will be finished long before your coffee is ready).

For most people, the automatic setup is a feature well worth getting, as that way they get the channel balance and delays properly set, which can significantly affect the sound. But if you are using the AC-3 input for a laserdisc player, then you will have trouble finding that type of input in a modern receiver, so such a need might get me to keep your old receiver, if that is actually being used. Of course, if you are not using it, then that feature is completely irrelevant.
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
Look on pages 16 & 17 to see a discussion of your multichannel analog inputs. On the page you mention, they are in the grey area just to the right of where the video connectionss in the illustration are located.

From what you have said about your needs, I would not spend the extra on an Oppo, and would go with a Panasonic, either with a low end unit (if I were going to replace the receiver) or with one with multichannel analog outputs which will cost slightly more.

Unless you have a laserdisc player and are using the AC-3 input, before I spent a fortune on a BD player, I would replace the receiver and then buy a low end Panasonic BD player in your case. The setup would be easier if you did that, because if you use the multichannel analog inputs, you will be needing to do the channel balancing and such with the player's options. This also means that whenever you change your furniture or speakers or anything that affects these matters, you will need to deal with balancing and such with both the player for the multichannel analog input, and also with the receiver for all of the other inputs. And unless you have an SPL meter and are good at using it, you will not get these things as accurate as you could with a modern receiver that has built-in automatic setup (where one plugs a microphone into the receiver, pushes a few buttons, and it then plays test tones for itself and adjusts the channel balance and delays automatically while you go make yourself a cup of coffee; it will be finished long before your coffee is ready).

For most people, the automatic setup is a feature well worth getting, as that way they get the channel balance and delays properly set, which can significantly affect the sound. But if you are using the AC-3 input for a laserdisc player, then you will have trouble finding that type of input in a modern receiver, so such a need might get me to keep your old receiver, if that is actually being used. Of course, if you are not using it, then that feature is completely irrelevant.
Not rocket ship brain cells to measure the speaker distance and use a RS meter for setup. The auto setups more times then not are not so hot and how offten do you rearange your room? As for the Oppo consider built quality and 2 hdmi outs are nice and most likly the last player needed for some time. One more, how many more years is somebody going to say DVD-A/SACD is dead. It is still on the down low but new stuff still coming.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Not rocket ship brain cells to measure the speaker distance and use a RS meter for setup. The auto setups more times then not are not so hot and how offten do you rearange your room? As for the Oppo consider built quality and 2 hdmi outs are nice and most likly the last player needed for some time. One more, how many more years is somebody going to say DVD-A/SACD is dead. It is still on the down low but new stuff still coming.
I never said that SACD or DVD-Audio is dead. The person asking the question explicitly said he had neither type of disc, and had no plans on ever buying either. In such case, whether it is dead or alive makes absolutely no freaking difference.

As for the setup, most people don't do it as well as an automatic setup would do it, regardless of how difficult it may or may not be. With that fact in mind, the advice I would give to anyone is to go that way, unless one already has the meter and knows what they are doing. And even if they do, it is easier to use an automatic setup. I used to manually set up my surround system with a meter, but am happy to use an automatic setup now, which is faster and easier, even if one knows what one is doing. And this is especially true when one has to set up the system twice, once with the player's settings for use with the multichannel analog inputs on the receiver, and once with the receiver's settings for all other inputs. Most people will be far better off with a modern receiver that automatically sets things up, and even for those who are good at setting things up manually, it is still much easier and quicker with the automatic setup done once instead of manually setting things up twice.
 
JaBear

JaBear

Junior Audioholic
Based on looks alone the 95 just look best in my AV rack, first oppo I really ever liked the look of...that being said if you are planning on just using the Blu-ray as a transport and using you Rec for hdmi audio I would go with the 93. If you are using a legacy avr and need analog the 95 would be worth the extra money.
 
JaBear

JaBear

Junior Audioholic
Not rocket ship brain cells to measure the speaker distance and use a RS meter for setup. The auto setups more times then not are not so hot and how offten do you rearange your room? As for the Oppo consider built quality and 2 hdmi outs are nice and most likly the last player needed for some time. One more, how many more years is somebody going to say DVD-A/SACD is dead. It is still on the down low but new stuff still coming.
I will say blu-ray concert have a much better future than SACD and DVD-A. I think that is the more wave of the future. I also think it's easier for the avg joe to understand dts-hd and it's benefits than SACD and DVD-A.
 
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HitsOfMisses

Enthusiast
Is video streaming (Netflix, etc.) better on Oppo 93/ 95 then say Sony S570 or Panasonic BDT-210?
Apart from CD, BD & Video streaming, I'll be using the Nakamichi Tape Drive for audio. Can I utilize Oppo 95 somehow to enhance the AQ?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Is video streaming (Netflix, etc.) better on Oppo 93/ 95 then say Sony S570 or Panasonic BDT-210?
Apart from CD, BD & Video streaming, I'll be using the Nakamichi Tape Drive for audio. Can I utilize Oppo 95 somehow to enhance the AQ?
Why are you married to the cassette medium, which is long obsolete? Even with a superior unit like you Nak 505, cassette is not really a true Hi-Fi medium.

Cassette tapes are high distortion and have relatively poor dynamic range.

High frequency roll off is progressively severe above - 10 db modulation and is severe at 0 db due to tape saturation. Inter modulation distortion is also a severe problem.

To get true Hi-Fi performance from tape requires a really good reel to reel deck half track stereo using 1/4 tape at 15 ips. Cassette is 1/8 inch tape quarter track at 1 7/8 ips. That is way wide of satisfactory, and far inferior to LP and digital media.

So you should archive any cassette material that is not available on CD to hard drive and just keep your Nak. as an archival unit and museum piece.

You need to move into the digital era.

And no, the Oppo player will not enhance your current audio playback. It is a player and not a preamp or processor.

As others have stated you need to move up to a receiver or pre/pro with HDMI connectivity.

If you click on my signature you will see that I have a selection of LP and tape machines. However digital media is well catered for.

One thing you should know is that modern receivers and pre pros do not cater to three head tape machines like you Nak. very well.

So if you plan on still using your Nak. as a record device and not just playback, you will need a good vintage two channel pre amp as well as a modern receiver or pre/pro.
 
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gpost3

Banned
Worth the upgrade? no. Any player more than $100 is not worth it for me. :D

Use the computer man with a blu ray as transport. The sound with preferably a VIA chip. Will eat Oppo for breakfast. :D
 
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HitsOfMisses

Enthusiast
@ TLS Guy: What you said makes a lot of sense.

Can you/anyone suggest a great pre/pro with HDMI? Used or refurbished is fine too. I can spend around $2k. +/- $500.
Or I can go a bit slow, one device at a time & spend a bit more.

Thanks!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
@ TLS Guy: What you said makes a lot of sense.

Can you/anyone suggest a great pre/pro with HDMI? Used or refurbished is fine too. I can spend around $2k. +/- $500.
Or I can go a bit slow, one device at a time & spend a bit more.

Thanks!
On your price range, I recommend the Marantz AV 7003.

I use its predecessor the AV 8003 and I have been very pleased with it.

For a unit like that, I would recommend new and not used or refurb.
 
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HitsOfMisses

Enthusiast
On your price range, I recommend the Marantz AV 7003.

I use its predecessor the AV 8003 and I have been very pleased with it.

For a unit like that, I would recommend new and not used or refurb.
It's a Pre-Tuner. Apologoze for my ignorance but do I need anything else to connect with (amplifier or processor) or I can use my existing 10 yrs old receiver (Kenwood VR-4090)?

Thanks!
 
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