In wall Speaker wire for 7.1 HT setup

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familiar1985

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I will be using B&W 804 diamond or similar for mains, HTM4 diamond for center, in wall surrounds, and a jl audio or B&W sub.

I need to purchase the in wall cable right now. I'm going to run it in wall from wall panel to wall panel to make connection of speakers clean and easy later. I have seen many different manufacturers of speaker wire? I normally use Canare wire for most of my needs but 4s11 is not rated for in wall use. What is the best speaker wire i can run in wall? Where to buy? Specific info would be good.

For the sub i will setup a XLR wall panel. What's the best wire for me to use that is safe for in wall? Can i use normal Canare wire for this since it is line. I normally use canare for everything and make my own cables so I'm a little confused having to do it in wall and have it pass code.

If you can tell me specific cables and where to get them i would really appreciate it.
 
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TLS Guy

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I will be using B&W 804 diamond or similar for mains, HTM4 diamond for center, in wall surrounds, and a jl audio or B&W sub.

I need to purchase the in wall cable right now. I'm going to run it in wall from wall panel to wall panel to make connection of speakers clean and easy later. I have seen many different manufacturers of speaker wire? I normally use Canare wire for most of my needs but 4s11 is not rated for in wall use. What is the best speaker wire i can run in wall? Where to buy? Specific info would be good.

For the sub i will setup a XLR wall panel. What's the best wire for me to use that is safe for in wall? Can i use normal Canare wire for this since it is line. I normally use canare for everything and make my own cables so I'm a little confused having to do it in wall and have it pass code.

If you can tell me specific cables and where to get them i would really appreciate it.
Just make sure you put all wires in conduit.
 
TLS Guy

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Are you sure the LAT international stuff is not higher quality. I have read some good reviews about the cable they make.
Wire is wire my friend. All that counts is resistance per foot, the rest is BS. Reviews of wire are 100% BS
 
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familiar1985

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I'm not so sure that is completely accurate. I know that there are all kinds of cable which is way overpriced. But that doesn't mean all wire is the same. For example, i only use Canare wire for line signal. I doubt other cheaper or more expensive wire is equal.

For the sub, can i use any line signal wire in wall? or does it have to be ul as well? What would you recommend if it has to be ul listed?
 
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TLS Guy

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I'm not so sure that is completely accurate. I know that there are all kinds of cable which is way overpriced. But that doesn't mean all wire is the same. For example, i only use Canare wire for line signal. I doubt other cheaper or more expensive wire is equal.

For the sub, can i use any line signal wire in wall? or does it have to be ul as well? What would you recommend if it has to be ul listed?
Care to tell me how electrons care which ones they bump into?

The only thing about expensive cables is that they can be worse than ordinary flex, as a few have significant capacitance.

What ever you do put cable in conduit especially the sub cable. It does need to meet fire codes.

Beware my friend there are a lot of suckers out there that will fall prey to unscrupulous hawkers because they don't know how things work.

I have told you the unvarnished truth.
 
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familiar1985

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Care to tell me how electrons care which ones they bump into?
All cable manufacturers admit that the type of copper matters especially over years of use. Also what about shielding from interference. In my studio i know my phone is about to ring before it actually rings, lol. I'm guessing the speakers are not shielded well but still sound great.
I'm not a tech junkie. Just voicing my opinion about what i have been taught by very experienced people (recording engineers) although it has been mostly about line signal wire. I don't know much about speaker wire.

What ever you do put cable in conduit especially the sub cable. It does need to meet fire codes.
Can i get the conduit from monoprice? Does the sub cable inside the conduit have to be meet fire code or can i use normal canare line cable?

Beware my friend there are a lot of suckers out there that will fall prey to unscrupulous hawkers because they don't know how things work.
That is completely true. I still believe there is difference between wire though. Not all are the same. Canare 4s11 which is what i wanted to use is not rated for in wall use. Its priced 1.19 per foot. I don't think canare is overpriced. If thats what they charge then thats what it is.
 
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familiar1985

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I'm going to order the cable from monoprice. Its actually only an hour away from my house so i can get it overnighted for $10. After doing some research, i realize that you are mostly correct. I'm used to dealing with line cable with which it is very important to use the highest quality possible. As shielding is very important with line cable but i guess not so much with speaker wire. Thank you for your advice.

I just need to figure out what cable to order for the sub as it is a line cable and needs to be in wall approved.
 
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jostenmeat

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I'm going to order the cable from monoprice. Its actually only an hour away from my house so i can get it overnighted for $10. After doing some research, i realize that you are mostly correct. I'm used to dealing with line cable with which it is very important to use the highest quality possible. As shielding is very important with line cable but i guess not so much with speaker wire. Thank you for your advice.

I just need to figure out what cable to order for the sub as it is a line cable and needs to be in wall approved.
Monoprice again. Scroll down until you see CL2 rating. Depending on the amplifiers and subs you choose, you might instead use an XLR. The mono XLRs don't have the CL2 rating, and I'm not sure what's out there that might.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=subwoofer&x=0&y=0
 
TLS Guy

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All cable manufacturers admit that the type of copper matters especially over years of use. Also what about shielding from interference. In my studio i know my phone is about to ring before it actually rings, lol. I'm guessing the speakers are not shielded well but still sound great.
I'm not a tech junkie. Just voicing my opinion about what i have been taught by very experienced people (recording engineers) although it has been mostly about line signal wire. I don't know much about speaker wire.



Can i get the conduit from monoprice? Does the sub cable inside the conduit have to be meet fire code or can i use normal canare line cable?



That is completely true. I still believe there is difference between wire though. Not all are the same. Canare 4s11 which is what i wanted to use is not rated for in wall use. Its priced 1.19 per foot. I don't think canare is overpriced. If thats what they charge then thats what it is.
You get conduit in the plumbing dept. of Home Depot or Lowes. You use plastic drain pipe. The purpose of conduit is to be able to change cables without opening up walls. All you need is an electricians snake.

Speaker wire should never be shielded. If wire is made of copper, then copper is copper, it is an element not a compound. So if you are not buying an alloy, copper is copper the world over.

By the way recording engineers more often than not have a music background and have no clue about physics, chemistry and electronics.

Shielded cable needs to have a good central copper core, and a tight braid. The insulation needs to have a dialectric constant in an appropriate range so the capacitance of the cable does not become excessive. Monoprice and Blue Jeans Cable have good products at a fair price. They are designed according to the physical parameters that govern the universe and not voodoo.

Canare by the way I would place in the voodoo category. And yes it is overpriced.
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

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Canare by the way I would place in the voodoo category. And yes it is overpriced.
Voodoo? Bluejeans uses Canare. Overpriced? Compared to what? The Canare L-2E5 mic cable I use for my audio interconnects costs 41¢ a foot. Parts Express sells some no-name stuff for 45¢ a foot.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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familiar1985

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Canare is not overpriced. There are other similar quality cables for similar prices. Many of the nicest studios use Canare. They definately know what their doing as they buy so much wire. Quality is top notch and the price is what it should be for the quality your getting. I use all Canare L-4E6S at $1.19 per foot for all my line signals. Well worth the money IMO and you can get any color :) http://www.sweetwater.com/c789--Canare--Bulk_Wire
 
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bhuskins

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Canare is the standard in studio wiring these days...
 
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LowFreq

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Are you also going to use any sockets for the cables? Or the plan is to directly run the cable from the wall to the speaker terminal?
 
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