jliedeka

jliedeka

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I saw those class D amps in the recent sales flyer. If you read carefully, the 100W is at 4 ohms with <10% THD. The more conservative number of 30W at 6 ohms <1% THD suggests it might be nice for an active speaker or other low power application.

If you are interested in a DIY amp with 100W clean power, you might want to check out this gainclone project.

Jim
 
fightinkraut

fightinkraut

Full Audioholic
I saw those class D amps in the recent sales flyer. If you read carefully, the 100W is at 4 ohms with <10% THD. The more conservative number of 30W at 6 ohms <1% THD suggests it might be nice for an active speaker or other low power application.

If you are interested in a DIY amp with 100W clean power, you might want to check out this gainclone project.

Jim
That looks like a nice build, thanks for the link. The linked PA100 uses the LM3886 chip with the following specs: 38W into 8 with 0.1% THD+N from 20Hz-20kHz. Bit difficult to compare the two given their obvious differences, but I know as someone building their first amp I'll start with something like the Sure board based on the TK2050.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=320-302

Probably overstated wattage, but what isn't. Still These lil amps may find their way into my speakers.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-775 also looks really nice with the ability to integrate it into a speaker.
If they use an oscilloscope to verify the voltage and waveform, it can't be overstated. I have a friend who built an amp with a Tripath chip and he was really geeked when he bought it. I haven't talked to him since then but he has been involved in electronics since he was 9, so he's not very apt to fall for something that doesn't pan out.

Those are from TI, right? I have a friend who works for them in analog devices- I'll ask for some info.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
If they use an oscilloscope to verify the voltage and waveform, it can't be overstated. I have a friend who built an amp with a Tripath chip and he was really geeked when he bought it. I haven't talked to him since then but he has been involved in electronics since he was 9, so he's not very apt to fall for something that doesn't pan out.

Those are from TI, right? I have a friend who works for them in analog devices- I'll ask for some info.
That's good to hear. These amps are really my only practical outlet to finish the towers. It's gonna be a while though.

Not sure National makes some of them TI makes others. I don't need 100 watts of actual clean power for a tweeter or midrange rated at 50 though. I really do plan to get one of these and will probably use them for my crazy speakers. Doing active speakers is much cheaper with a 50 dollar amp than a 440 dollar one.
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
If they use an oscilloscope to verify the voltage and waveform, it can't be overstated.
Ah, of course, you are absolutely correct.

But they can be unstated.

In other words, at what frequency, or frequency range, is the amplifier capable of delivering power, and at what THD limit will the amplifier never exceed at any time during the frequency test? Is this limit just THD, or THD + Noise?

And how many channels are driven during the test? Is the full voltage from the power supply available to just the channel under test? That's not a realistic real-world operating condition, but it's a common test condition.

By the way, what is the power supply used for the test capable of delivering? If a product does not come with an integrated power supply (and a wall-wart is not an integrated power supply), you can use whatever you want for the test.

And so on.

We don't know for sure, but we do have some clues if we dig a bit.

The typical power rating for a Tripath TA-2024 in product literature, web advertising, or eBay auctions, is 15 watts per channel into 4 ohms. I realize that the product you linked to is not a TA-2024 based unit, but bear with me a bit.

For the most part, we have to take that for what it is. And it's not an inaccurate specification, if you are just a tiny bit generous with the THD.

Unless you get out the Distortion Analyzer and 'Scope hiding in your closet, you are pretty much stuck with that as the only info to go on.

But, Sonic Impact did briefly sell an "audiophile" version of it's T-Amp, the "Super T", which sold for $160 as a plug-and-play amplifier.

Sonic Impact rates their version at 11 watts/4 ohms @ 0.1% THD + N; 6 watts into 8 ohms, and 98 dB S/N. That is their entire specification; nothing more is available.

The beauty of this amp, is that Stereophile took the trouble to do a full review, including lab tests, on the Super T. I don't really care what your opinion of the magazine is, all I can say is I don't know of anyone else who has ever put one to a comprehensive set of tests, so we don't really have much choice here.

When under test by John Atkinson, this amplifier's 1 kHz power into 8 ohms begins to clip at just under 5 watts into 8 ohms; 7 watts into 4 ohms; and goes into thermal protection without clipping at about 12 watts into 2 ohms. If you ignore the knee of the THD+N graph and just use 1% THD+N as your limit, you can expect about 5.5 watts into 8 ohms and 9 watts into 4 ohms. *

With a 2.83V output (=1 watt into 8 ohms; 2 watts into 4 ohms) THD + N at 1 Khz, 8 ohms, is a respectable "just over" 0.1%. At 20 Khz, though, it's almost 1.5%. Like all Class D amps, supersonic distortion products continue to rise above 20 Khz. Meanwhile, at 100 Hz, it's only 0.06%. (All of these had to be read from a graph, so no arguing about 0.01%, please).

So, we have an chip amplifier that the Chinese (and Parts Express) say is 15 watts, but can really only put out half that cleanly, with the supplied 3A power supply that comes with the Super T. And no-one has tested the power bandwidth (Atkinson usually does, so it seems he just gave up or else decided to just keep quiet) so we don't know how much power falls at 20 or 20KHz.

A weak specification set can be accurate, but still tell us very little.

I'm not suggesting the D-class amps are somehow not worthwhile, I'm just saying that these boards are not, and don't have to be, sold as consumer items, they are just parts. There is no obligation to provide a complete specification to you. You are taking on the task of deciding the suitability, and the testing if necessary, upon yourself.

* The 3A power supply of the Super T as supplied may be a significant limiting factor, or it may not (in this case I think it is; I personally would suggest a 5A supply with a Tripath TA-2024). Perhaps even a 3.5A supply would have resulted in the Super T meeting it's published specification. I think the point, however, is that even though people do measure 15 W at 4 ohms with a TA-2024, without further defining the spec it's not particularly useful; you would still have to measure yourself under the conditions you intend to use the unit to get a more complete picture.
 
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