12 core macs coming?

[BoredSysAdmin]

As I said before, even taking DIY path, unless you are cutting corners the difference would be marginal.
Show me any DIY design vs similar vendor ready one and I can prove you, if you not cutting ANY corners and using exactly comparable components - vendor ready computer is unlikely to over 10-15% over DIY one.

Anyone in their right mind GLADLY pay 10-15% extra for properly engineered, tested and validated computer or any other equipment.

There are consideration going DIY path: Upgradability,overclocking and future proofing, but these are totally different from pure price/performance considerations we were talking earlier....

However, Should workstation computer have server processor, error correction memory, server grade hard-drives and CAD level video card??? I'm not so sure.....

 

[bandphan]

Atari rules.

 

[krzywica]

Graphics and programming take a lot of resources. I'd love to have a computer that compiled that fast.

Clustering is more work than clicking and buying a computer for the boss. Considering support, labor, shipping and software costs I'd say the price isn't too bad.

I see no use for this in the home environment though.

Gee thanks for letting me know.....I wasn't aware that graphics programming takes a lot of resources......

 

[krzywica]

Atari rules.

Screw Atari.....Magnavox Odyssey 3000 FTW.

 

[bandphan]

Screw Atari.....Magnavox Odyssey 3000 FTW.

Great, I can see this will turn into a fanboy war.

 

[adwilk]

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I notice this thread starting to get vintage by the minute....
Lets add some oil into the fire:
Lenovo ThinkStation D20 with 2x 6 core Xeon L5640 - starting at $3709 ....

(I'll take Lenovo stuff over Dell any day)

 

[krzywica]

Great, I can see this will turn into a fanboy war.

Oh yeah! The stuff I buy is way better than the stuff you buy!!! No matter what!!

 

[Nemo128]

I find Apple's case designs pretty boring. I find the iPod/iPhone/iTouch/iPoop design boring and overly hyped. They're prone to scratch, can't live up to my abusive way of dealing with my toys, and are not all that well-engineering internally.

From an airflow perspective, they're nothing special and I've seen far better from boutique makers like Falcon and Alienware and Voodoo. Even going from the HP and Compaq desktops of 10 years ago to today's models, interior design has come a looooooong way.

From a cabling cleanliness perspective, Dell's XPS models are comparable if not better and are far cheaper. Mind you I hate Dells, but I can recognize equality or superiority in a comparison. I will never argue that Windows is more friendly to use or more secure than Mac OS for the average consumer.

From a temperature perspective, they're using the same components since Macs are now Intel-based machines. They have not magically made the hardware dissipate less energy while operating at the same frequencies and voltage levels.

From a total "engineering" perspective, I don't know any engineer that would be ok with gold-plating and aesthetics-as-value comparisons. That's a personal decision, not an engineering one, and it's up to marketing departments and statisticians to come up with those requirements or benchmarks.

Let's just say, if I could do everything on Mac OS that I do on Windows, in the same number of clicks with the same functionality at the same price, I'd be using Mac OS regularly.

 

[lsiberian]

Gee thanks for letting me know.....I wasn't aware that graphics programming takes a lot of resources......

Now that explains everything

 

[lsiberian]

I find Apple's case designs pretty boring. I find the iPod/iPhone/iTouch/iPoop design boring and overly hyped. They're prone to scratch, can't live up to my abusive way of dealing with my toys, and are not all that well-engineering internally.

I think you will find you are in the minority. I'll give you not everyone like the iPhone, but not everyone likes Mazda's either. I've had a lot of phones and none of them came close to what the iPhone does well. It's by no means a perfect phone, but it's light years ahead of everything I've used including the beloved Blackberry.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I have worked on every PC brand there is and I have never ran across anything built like the MacPro's. Not even close. I have to very much disagree there.

 

[adwilk]

 

[Nemo128]

I have worked on every PC brand there is and I have never ran across anything built like the MacPro's. Not even close. I have to very much disagree there.

Yeah, I've driven many cars up to and including a 911 Carrera S. Doesn't mean it's worth the $30k premium over a Cayman S.

Built like? It's a computer. The thought of build quality makes me chuckle a lil inside, considering most people do nothing taxing with their computers. When I see someone who's using their Mac to run ProTools or render in Maya/3DSMax, I'll take them seriously when they talk about how much better Apple build quality is. Oh wait... Maya didn't run on Mac OS until version 2011, and Max doesn't run on Mac OS at all!!!

Not you specifically, just anyone in general. The average user that plays Farmville on Facebook for an hour a day, checks their e-mail, browses silly YouTube video, and types the occassional Word document has very little need or concern for a 2C temperature drop on their CPU cores.

 

[Nemo128]

it's light years ahead of everything I've used including the beloved Blackberry.

Except it can't connect to Blackberry Enterprise Server, and specfically for large enterprises (like federal agencies), that's a must have.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Yeah, I've driven many cars up to and including a 911 Carrera S. Doesn't mean it's worth the $30k premium over a Cayman S.

Built like? It's a computer. The thought of build quality makes me chuckle a lil inside, considering most people do nothing taxing with their computers. When I see someone who's using their Mac to run ProTools or render in Maya/3DSMax, I'll take them seriously when they talk about how much better Apple build quality is. Oh wait... Maya didn't run on Mac OS until version 2011, and Max doesn't run on Mac OS at all!!!

Not you specifically, just anyone in general. The average user that plays Farmville on Facebook for an hour a day, checks their e-mail, browses silly YouTube video, and types the occassional Word document has very little need or concern for a 2C temperature drop on their CPU cores.

And that is not who the mac pro is aimed at either and you know better than that. Most of the people buying that level of computer are more than likely going to use it for some heave duty processing like it was designed for. If they bought that type of computer for surfing the web then they are a fool. A fool and their money are soon departed. How many computer users do you know ever fully tax their computers? Would I like to have a 12 core machine fully loaded? Sure! Would I ever spend the money on one even if I had it? Probably not. To be perfectly honest the only time I have ever felt like I needed more than the 2.2 core2 duo I have now is when I was trying to compress video. It still worked just took a few minutes longer than I would have preferred.

There is no denying that these are fast, well built, very well designed and easy to access computers and quite possibly the best made and well thought out cases in the market. They have been since the G5. To say otherwise is dishonest to say the least. Anyone that has any knowledge at all of engineering can appreciate their design and build qualtity.

 

[Shock]

Nearly all computer sites will build your computer for you for a small flat rate assembling cost, including installing an operating system. So yes....these sites are competition.

All you would need is the slightest idea of what you want.

There is no denying that these are fast, well built, very well designed and easy to access computers and quite possibly the best made and well thought out cases in the market. They have been since the G5. To say otherwise is dishonest to say the least.

Well designed, yes. Best on the market, not a chance.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Nearly all computer sites will build your computer for you for a small flat rate assembling cost, including installing an operating system. So yes....these sites are competition.

All you would need is the slightest idea of what you want.



Well designed, yes. Best on the market, not a chance.

I said they may be the best cases on the market. I have not run across better myself yet. I have never seen any others made all out aluminum like these have you?

 

[Shock]

I said they may be the best cases on the market. I have not run across better myself yet. I have never seen any others made all out aluminum like these have you?

Enermax used to make their cases exclusively out of aluminum. In fact I have a Chakra case sitting beside me that is entirely aluminum, it's incredibly light. However that's the only advantage to an aluminum case, weight. Most case manufacturers simply don't make their cases out of aluminum because it's not needed. How often does someone move their tower? Not to mention the weight saved from the case doesn't really matter after it's jammed full of components. I would never buy another aluminum case simply because I can save money on buying steel.

The best case I've ever worked with was by fractal designs and the case alone weighs 32 pounds. It's packed full of sound deadening rubber which adds a ton of weight. Although it did make for the most silent system I've ever built. Funny enough the best part of the case was the slots for the side panel, how no one though to make them like that before was beyond me. No more missing one prong when putting the side panel back on.

N.B. My first comment wasn't directed towards you Jeff, simply the stating that you can build your own computer on a site and have them assemble, install, and test it.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

N.B. My first comment wasn't directed towards you Jeff, simply the stating that you can build your own computer on a site and have them assemble, install, and test it.

Oh I know.

One thing I really like about the Macpro cases is how easy everything pulls out and the area for the 4 drive bays is like their server. It is very nice. However, I think I will just stick with one of the new iMacs. Maybe a quad core imac if I can get a refurbed one and save a few hundred.