12 core macs coming?

[soniceuphoria]

I'm so happy that I can officially discount any future post that you make.

I was on the fence, this post took care of that.

I already discounted all posts that you make. Do you even have a home theater? Where's the pics? If I ever want to buy a mac I might just have to look you up though.

 

[adwilk]

From what I have seen, people that actually know how to use this much CPU horsepower don't use Mac's, unless their company is buying the Mac and has lots and lots of money to throw down the toilet. Nobody wants a machine that puts out this much heat sitting on their desk or by their feet.

Well thats kinda my point....I can see factoring aesthetics into a laptop. A high end workstation however I cannot....maybe at like an art studio...or something? IDK, I just can't see spending extra coin on something like this when horsepower is clearly the goal.

I do get that... I suppose this in an entirely different discussion than personal computing. If a company has an IT guy that HAS to rely on what MAC offers to keep things running, its probably time to find a new IT guy. Certainly from a workstation/server standpoint in a professional setting, I would never consider MAC.

I do however, really enjoy the well packaged iMac on my desk- running windows of course....

 

[adwilk]

I already discounted all posts that you make. Do you even have a home theater? Where's the pics? If I ever want to buy a mac I might just have to look you up though.

Search....


I'm not sure who handed you the reds, (certainly a heavy hitter) but I'm glad I don't have to now....

Thank you to nemo and krzywica for making intelligent points in the latter part of this thread....

 

[krzywica]

Search....


I'm not sure who handed you the reds, (certainly a heavy hitter) but I'm glad I don't have to now....

Thank you to nemo and krzywica for making intelligent points in the latter part of this thread....

And thanks for enjoying your Apple products without resorting to fanboyism, because nobody likes a rotten Apple.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Well thats kinda my point....I can see factoring aesthetics into a laptop. A high end workstation however I cannot....maybe at like an art studio...or something? IDK, I just can't see spending extra coin on something like this when horsepower is clearly the goal.

Well, I barely touch macs, but just to be devil's advocate for a second: I handled and fixed few big MacPros at work and while the need for aesthetics is questionable on a workstation to say at least, good engineering is not.

MacPros are [strike]very[strike] Extremely well engineered to produce maximum efficiency cooling and eliminate noise as much as possible. I say this alone worth a penny or two (Not to count tons aluminium used to make case ). No one wants to have real server under their desk. While any kid on a block can throw in all needed components in DIY project - It'll take very knowledgeable and dedicated person to come anywhere close in terms of cooling/noise control and It'll cost you $$$, possibly putting your project cost in same ballpark as fruit company products....

Nuff said, and hopefully my post was neutral enough not to add oil to flame

 

[jeffsg4mac]

My question was still not answered though. Does anyone have 12 core systems that are priced less than these will be? Don't even start with building one yourself because that is not the question. I am sure if I had the tools and know how I could put together a car that was faster and preformed better than a Porsche. Big deal. I put together two subs that perform better than most at a fraction of the cost. Any idiot knows you can usually put something together yourself cheaper than one already made.

PC Zelots always like to use that argument. When you compare mac models against other manufactures they are not that far out of line. When you factor in the engineering aspect of it ( as the previous poster so eloquently said it) and the fact you can run both windows and Mac OS then you may be getting a better deal with a mac depending on which model you choose. I can easily go to Sony's website and price a laptop out that cost more than a macbook pro and it may or may not be any better. This was not a PC vs Mac debate because as far as I am concerned the PC looses out every time because you still have to run windows on it and windows in not as good as OS X no matter what you run it on. I run windows on my mac and it still sucks. So my question is a valid one.

Is there anyone else offering workstations that perform at the level of these new macs for less money?

 

[Nemo128]

Dell Precision T7500. And it's been around longer. Answered your question.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Dell Precision T7500. And it's been around longer. Answered your question.

Your kidding right? I just added the dual six core option and price was $6918 I stopped there.

 

[MinusTheBear]

What is the suggested retail price of the mac product you were touting in your first post? I can't seem to find anything.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

What is the suggested retail price of the mac product you were touting in your first post? I can't seem to find anything.

Well they say 12 core starting at $4999 which seems pretty fair. Not sure clock speed in that system though. The cheapest dell 12 core was $4579 before I added anything and that was with the Dual Six Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5650, 2.66GHz. The first price was for the fastest dual six core. We will have to wait until Apple has them available to build and price before we can make a totally accurate and direct comparison but that Dell while it may be nice is built nothing like a MacPro. It seems so far that the MacPro's are priced fair.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Well they say 12 core starting at $4999 which seems pretty fair. Not sure clock speed in that system though. The cheapest dell 12 core was $4579 before I added anything and that was with the Dual Six Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5650, 2.66GHz. The first price was for the fastest dual six core. We will have to wait until Apple has them available to build and price before we can make a totally accurate and direct comparison but that Dell while it may be nice is built nothing like a MacPro. It seems so far that the MacPro's are priced fair.

Its a wait and see then. One thing you can predict is you will not be getting value buying either the Mac or the Dell model.

 

[lsiberian]

Nothing special here...these CPU's have been out since March. The 12 core is running 2 Xeon Westmere-EP CPU's. Just server/workstation versions of the i7's. I'm not sure what application in which this PC would be useful. Other than video rendering, and that would be somewhat of a waste....you would be better off building a rendering cluster that you can add/remove nodes from. Especially given the fact that most rendering is going to GPGPU anyway.

Just another "Hey look we have the newest stuff, but you won't be able to upgrade any of it when the newer stuff comes out in a few weeks....." from Apple.

Graphics and programming take a lot of resources. I'd love to have a computer that compiled that fast.

Clustering is more work than clicking and buying a computer for the boss. Considering support, labor, shipping and software costs I'd say the price isn't too bad.

I see no use for this in the home environment though.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Graphics and programming take a lot of resources. I'd love to have a computer that compiled that fast.

Clustering is more work than clicking and buying a computer for the boss. Considering support, labor, shipping and software costs I'd say the price isn't too bad.

I see no use for this in the home environment though.

No I don't either unless you are shooting a lot of wedding vids and need to get thing rendered fast or doing some freelance CGI work or something. I could see a power user pro photographer wanting one though. While I would love to win one or something even if I had the money I don't think I would get one. I think a single quad core would be fast enough for anything I would ever do. Of course I said the same thing about a dual core too. I would really like the quad core imac with the 27in screen myself.

 

[lsiberian]

Why does it always turn into a debate? Because there are always people turning it into a debate. I was simply stating a fact that the dual 6 core servers were nothing new, and people had to start acting like apple was the only place they would ever be. And saying apple is getting "special" processors made just for them. That is just simply just a plain pile of hogwash, and needed to be addressed. People just try their best to place apple up on a golden pedestal, when in all reality they are just another dell with some flashy products.

I think this story was intended for Mac lovers not for a guy who clearly has an ax to grind. Did Apple lay you off or something? I'm not used to seeing this in a tech person. For me it was always people hating on Microsoft. I know my phone is the best phone I've ever had and was worth every penny. Of course don't expect me to go out and buy a Mac anytime soon, but they don't make junk from what I can tell

 

[jeffsg4mac]

He missed the FACT that I also said I read that they had a short time exclusive on the chip. I said I did not know if that was fact and was unconfirmed. But people who hate ignore stuff like that.

 

[Nemo128]

Is there anyone else offering workstations that perform at the level of these new macs for less money?

I answered this question.

Your kidding right? I just added the dual six core option and price was $6918 I stopped there.

Now that ya mentioned it, I didn't answer your question. Since the new Mac DOESN'T EXIST YET, I guess that Dell is far and away the better performing machine.

How bout we save that comparison till it actually exists.

 

[Ito]

Couldn't disagree more.

Apple markets simplicity; and targets customers with ease of use and functionality and some high end niche customers that are apple snobs anyways. Someone trying to choose between a mac or DIY option would be the anomaly.

Corvettes don't compete with rice rockets. Different end user.

Once again, I think you are missing the point. Apple sells computers, which you could build yourself, and thus they occur in the same market. Thus they are competing, no matter whether Apple markets simplicity, because they sell computers. While yes, I find that it is highly unlikely that someone looking for a mac laptop is suddenly going to be swayed by building their own computer. However we are talking about a $5000 workstation, and I think anyone who is looking at getting one, unless they are a mac fanboy or have way too much money, would also at least be considering building their own.

Edit: Not trying to pick a fight here, btw, just trying to point out that building your own is valid competition for this kind of computer.

 

[adwilk]

Once again, I think you are missing the point. Apple sells computers, which you could build yourself, and thus they occur in the same market. Thus they are competing, no matter whether Apple markets simplicity, because they sell computers. While yes, I find that it is highly unlikely that someone looking for a mac laptop is suddenly going to be swayed by building their own computer. However we are talking about a $5000 workstation, and I think anyone who is looking at getting one, unless they are a mac fanboy or have way too much money, would also at least be considering building their own.

Edit: Not trying to pick a fight here, btw, just trying to point out that building your own is valid competition for this kind of computer.

Just because products exist in the same market segment doesn't make them competition, even at similar price points. You have to remember that we are in a "tech" based forum of sorts- which is far from the average. In fact, it represents a very very small cross-section of computer users, and even not everyone here can build their own computer. I feel very confident in saying DIY market share has virtually zero influence on how apple develops and markets their products. The only way it would be real competition is if Apple made components.

EDIT: I certainly wouldn't think you're picking a fight at all. Intelligent debate. Even if you're wrong...

 

[jeffsg4mac]

All computer manufactures sell computers that you could build yourself so it is not only Apple. I don't know why people always resort to comparing a DIY computer to an Apple. It is actually kind of weird.

No PC manufacture takes the DIY crowd into their decision when making their products. The DIY pc builders are niche market just as DIY speaker builders are. HP could care less about their sales loss from people who build their own just as Axiom could care less about speaker builders. The sales loss is minuscule. The DIY computer it not a valid argument when comparing computer systems. Your not comparing apples to apples when you bring DIY into the mix. Pardon the pun

And as was so well put earlier, one would be hard pressed to duplicate a MacPro without ones own fabricating shop.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Now that ya mentioned it, I didn't answer your question. Since the new Mac DOESN'T EXIST YET, I guess that Dell is far and away the better performing machine.

How bout we save that comparison till it actually exists.

Well you have me there I will admit. We will revisit in a few weeks.