How many magicians does it take to connect a speaker cable?

[yepimonfire]

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101074

 

[dkane360]

I like how someone said "ABX tests are not a valid testing method concerning audio, period." Is that because he can't tell the difference?

 

[yepimonfire]

i bet he thinks blind tests arent useful either because he can see soundwaves travelling through the air, then analyze them with his super-computer brain.

 

[Gizmologist]

Some of these guys

There are some posters on that site and AVS that should write for SNL. They are unitendedly funny. Too bad NONE of them know what happens inside a circuit or speaker or has the slightest concept of the basic laws of physics.

 

[yepimonfire]

lol i know right, although i do find it funny, i come here, say a bunch of things and get shut down by people who have scientific knowledge, then, i use the information i have gained on another forum, and get shut down by a bunch of people who say science doesent matter, either way im doomed to always have a bad reputation in audio. oh well.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Forum MOD RECs to get Audioquest cables... I think it says it all

 

[JerryLove]

lol i know right, although i do find it funny, i come here, say a bunch of things and get shut down by people who have scientific knowledge, then, i use the information i have gained on another forum, and get shut down by a bunch of people who say science doesent matter, either way im doomed to always have a bad reputation in audio. oh well.

See, now that's talent

 

[Patrukas777]

This is my favorite one

"ABX is 100% a valid method for testing audio performance of gear..." and then F1nut replied, "No, it is not."

LOL....he didn't even try to explain why it is not a valid method. I like how they disagree without any explanation. A bunch of Tomfoolery going on there.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

They say it's not valid because they can't hear any differences in cables when they do it. Therefore, they have to setup some other test that will provide results that validate the expenditure they made on exotic cables. It is beyond tomfoolery it is just plain stupid. They are audiofools!

 

[JerryLove]

LOL....he didn't even try to explain why it is not a valid method. I like how they disagree without any explanation. A bunch of Tomfoolery going on there.

Someone in there provided a link which I think I can distill down to its most salient point:

"Speakers typically perform best in a properly setup room with a single listener in a single sweet-spot. Differences between cables, etc. can only be appriciated under these conditions. DBX tests setup multiple listeners in a single room improperly configured. The difference in performance between {insert expensive thing} will not be noticeable because the sound is already so compromised by the other listening conditions."

Does he have a legitemate complaint about the say the DBX testing he has seen done is performed? I don't think so, but it's a testable claim and so seems worthy of checking.

Unfortunately for them, none of them seem to actually distill down their general distrust of DBX into an articulated claim. So they haven't tested it. So they don't really know if they are right. (nor are they conrrect in calling this a problem with DBX as a test; as this is actually an issue with certain methods of DBX testing that they feel are prevelent).

 

[yepimonfire]

well my question was how can cables make any difference when the cables inside the speaker and the amps are the most standard basic cable there is?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

well my question was how can cables make any difference when the cables inside the speaker and the amps are the most standard basic cable there is?

Well that's were it falls apart isn't it?

I used that method to prove this very point on a friend a while back. He was about to invest in some very expensive cables and interconnects. His speakers were a set of very nice Mirage and he had two Adcom monoblocks and an Adcom, preamp and a nice CA audio labs CD player. He had been convinced at a high-end shop that he needed about 2500 bucks in cables and wire to improve his system. I pulled out one of the drivers in his speakers, and showed him the wire used inside. Then asked him how esoteric wire could possibly make any difference at all. I then directed him to BJC and saved him about 2350 bucks. He then proceded to buy me lunch

 

[yepimonfire]

yea, until you get the guys who go "anywhere you can eliminate problems helps!" and dont even get me started on the idiots who will take their speakers apart and replace the internal wiring.

 

[highfigh]

Good thing that thread is closed- I might have joined, just to tell some of them how annoying they are.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Good thing that thread is closed- I might have joined, just to tell some of them how annoying they are.

Lets all join and start a new one

 

[yepimonfire]

lol first day i was there i got put on the ignore list of about 50 people over a vinyl vs CD thread, all because i said vinyl wears out eventually with each play and cds generally do not.

 

[yepimonfire]

Lets all join and start a new one

it'll be like an audioholics mob, who wants to be the gang leader?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Best thing is to make a single post about how they are being made fun of here and then direct them to it. Maybe we can convince a few with facts and logic.

Ahh never mind; audiophools are like hard left libs. Facts and logic won't work Sorry couldn't resist that one.

 

[yepimonfire]

yea, but the satisfaction of knowing that someone, somewhere is sitting in front of a computer cussing at the screen is worth it.

 

[JerryLove]

Ahh never mind; audiophools are like hard right neocons. Facts and logic won't work, so they accuse the "other side" of the debate of doing the same thing (which often it does) Sorry couldn't resist that one.

There: fixed.