The Dawg Crusher Killer

[ParadigmDawg]

Correct.........

my understanding is he wants a plug and play subwoofer or two. Not a science project.

I'd buy an active subwoofer, or two, plug them in and enjoy, then when he is happy with the output worry about external stuff.

 

[oppman99]

You're making me feel bad with the regret of letting the Dawg Crusher go. I'm sure it's just a matter of time (hopefully a short amount) until you can find the right replacement (I hope so anyway). Good luck with the search buddy.

 

[Warpdrv]

My understanding is he wants a plug and play subwoofer or two. Not a science project.

I'd buy an active subwoofer, or two, plug them in and enjoy, then when he is happy with the output worry about external stuff.

Science project ??????

My understanding is it seems you lack the desire/patients or the skills to build the ultimate SQ, Acuracy & output product and choose to pay someone else to do it for you. All these guys started somewhere, nothing wrong with tried and true designs, especially with top notch products !!

I am by no means knockin the Growler by any stretch of the word.... but there are certainly different ways to go about it, and from knowing Greg - I know looks are probably a high priority in this case... not alot of products out there to choose from that fit the criteria of beautiful and high output for his situation... which has been exactly the journey I have gone for a long time now...

 

[jostenmeat]

Science project ??????

My understanding is it seems you lack the desire/patients or the skills to build the ultimate SQ, Acuracy & output product and choose to pay someone else to do it for you. All these guys started somewhere, nothing wrong with tried and true designs, especially with top notch products !!

I am by no means knockin the Growler by any stretch of the word.... but there are certainly different ways to go about it....

Maybe I am misunderstanding that you seem to be misunderstanding MS. He is just trying to understand PDs wishes, and help him along those lines and limitations.

Unless, by quoting him, and typing "you", that you really meant to address PD, but instead mislead some readers.

I'm pretty sure MS himself has nothing, at all, against DIY "science project" stuff. Hell, the dude reads books on linkages for FUN.

 

[Warpdrv]

I may be misunderstanding the whole science project statement indeed, but sometimes there needs to be a way to get something more then is just offered by just plug and play... so my apologies MS for the inference....

Truly - sometimes there are obstacles to be overcome, that can't be done with the commercial offerings...

Again - no offense...

 

[MidnightSensi]

Cheers jostenmeat.

Yes, I don't mean science project in a negative way, but just a 'way' in general. I love DIY, but as much for its context oriented 'adventure' as for the results. For me, when I make a DIY subwoofer, I enjoy the cutting of the wood, the ordering of the parts, the tinkering, designing the braces, spraying the AllGrip and so forth. Of course, getting it to make some noise is also rewarding. My mobile rig used to be all bass scoops I built, and they worked great (although, lots of pre-built stuff is lighter, more efficient and better tooled). So, your correct, I don't have the skills to build the ultimate sub, but I do still enjoy, practice, and recommend DIY to those who want that route!

That said, there are lots of great subwoofers out there that can be plugged in and enjoyed. Now, for pretty reasonable cost, there is great stuff out there. Plenty to tinker with.

Either way, filling our rooms with bass is a nice stress-free hobby.

P.S. It is true I read a book on mechanical linkages for fun.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I actually think if one was done with a good veneer, it would look good.

knowing Greg - I know looks are probably a high priority in this case... not alot of products out there to choose from that fit the criteria of beautiful and high output for his situation... which has been exactly the journey I have gone for a long time now...

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Do you feel bad enough to send me the AXIS back? I will give you the box for free.

You're making me feel bad with the regret of letting the Dawg Crusher go. I'm sure it's just a matter of time (hopefully a short amount) until you can find the right replacement (I hope so anyway). Good luck with the search buddy.

 

[mike c]

since you like the sound of the F113 ... your only problem is actually the volume capability ... keep adding subs until you don't hear that "burp" at your listening volume

it's nice to spend someone else's money. any other person i'd doubt their capability.

with the dawg? i'm surprised why the 2nd, 3rd and 4th units isn't there yet.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Because I got one of those wife things now.... (or I will in 4 weeks)

with the dawg? i'm surprised why the 2nd, 3rd and 4th units isn't there yet.

 

[GlocksRock]

Why not get a Gotham or two? It's everything the F113 is, just more of it.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I doubt that would touch a JTR. Maybe it would come close to the seaton submersive that is on the market now but not the one that is coming, that will be half the price of a G213.

Why not get a Gotham or two? It's everything the F113 is, just more of it.

 

[Warpdrv]

Well you will def be giving up the output down low, and likely some tightness or accuracy with a JTR being a folded horn but IMO you have other priorities for sure, trying to fill a room that size is a daunting task and to get the impact you need - its a good descision.... I honestly don't get all the huge priority for the less then 20hz material, but its a nice add in to the movie experience. I would hope one would cover your needs in that concert hall of yours..

My F112 doesn't dig all that low but I'm still extremely happy with its performance in that small room.

 

[MidnightSensi]

Well you will def be giving up the output down low, and likely some tightness or accuracy with a JTR being a folded horn but IMO you have other priorities for sure, trying to fill a room that size is a daunting task and to get the impact you need - its a good descision.... I honestly don't get all the huge priority for the less then 20hz material, but its a nice add in to the movie experience. I would hope one would cover your needs in that concert hall of yours..

My F112 doesn't dig all that low but I'm still extremely happy with its performance in that small room.

The JL is -3dB at 18Hz, the JTR is flat to 20Hz, so it should be similar with the JTR being significantly louder and more efficient.

That F112 has to be awesome for music.

 

[Warpdrv]

The JL is -3dB at 18Hz, the JTR is flat to 20Hz, so it should be similar with the JTR being significantly louder and more efficient.

That F112 has to be awesome for music.

Should be very similar, aside from the SQ of the JTR which I am not familiar with, but I can't imagine it being just downright horrible....

The F112 is spectacular, and perfect for small rooms, a pair for medium rooms, but neither the F112 or F113 - even in bunches will ever in my mind be enough output for a room of this size, which is very close to my room.

I didn't want to give up SQ and extension for my big room, so my build is very much over the top for most anyone.
I started in that room with Dual SVS PB-Plus/2's and added a Plus, but the SQ was not really up to par for me, so I started my venture into DIY and have had at least a dozen drivers in that room until I at this time ended up with 3 x Sealed 18" LMS's + 1 x 15" TC3K ti.... The output and SQ is amazing, extremely tight and clean. I am very happy with this but I want even more output now, as I am right on the edge of pushing things to far, which I don't want to damage my drivers. For music, its not an issue except for that manufactured VLF stuff and movies

 

[Matt34]

I just see the Growler being a bit of an eyesore up front and center in his living room. I don't think Greg is like me who doesn't mind huge, ugly folded horn subs in non-dedicated rooms.

 

[oppman99]

Do you feel bad enough to send me the AXIS back? I will give you the box for free.

Not sure I feel quite that bad yet. Sorry. Maybe I'd ship the AXIS back if you want to ship me the JL.

 

[MidnightSensi]

Should be very similar, aside from the SQ of the JTR which I am not familiar with, but I can't imagine it being just downright horrible....

The F112 is spectacular, and perfect for small rooms, a pair for medium rooms, but neither the F112 or F113 - even in bunches will ever in my mind be enough output for a room of this size, which is very close to my room.

I didn't want to give up SQ and extension for my big room, so my build is very much over the top for most anyone.
I started in that room with Dual SVS PB-Plus/2's and added a Plus, but the SQ was not really up to par for me, so I started my venture into DIY and have had at least a dozen drivers in that room until I at this time ended up with 3 x Sealed 18" LMS's + 1 x 15" TC3K ti.... The output and SQ is amazing, extremely tight and clean. I am very happy with this but I want even more output now, as I am right on the edge of pushing things to far, which I don't want to damage my drivers. For music, its not an issue except for that manufactured VLF stuff and movies

I've heard Growlers, not the new Growler Duo though. Growlers have a lot of output for their size and weight, sound quality was great. My tunes are very bass heavy, and even have bass drops that are sweeping and really make resonances stand out - lots of bass 'weight' ...pressurizing stuff. Jeff liked the bass drops and kept rewinding it, the Growlers were handling them well. The Growlers never buckled, they were pretty much amplifier power limited in our case (I forget what amp it was, some QSC). Now, how my experience with gen 1 Growlers compares to the new Duo I have no idea, and I don't pretend to be an expert on them. However, between mine and others experiences with the stuff, so far everything has been great - like, exceedingly. I think he is going to be really happy, and if there is any sound quality loss, they'll (did he get one or two?) make up for it with dynamic punch.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

So far I am considering the Growler Duo or a couple of Submersives, I have a feeling that I may end up with something else from Mark but if I do, it will be one sub instead of two. Anything else I should look at? (besides building a sub Warp)

The F113 sounds so darn good, listening to it now. I just wish it would handle movies in my room. Oh well, it's on Audiogon.

 

[Warpdrv]

So far I am considering the Growler Duo or a couple of Submersives, I have a feeling that I may end up with something else from Paul but if I do, it will be one sub instead of two. Anything else I should look at? (besides building a sub Warp)

The F113 sounds so darn good, listening to it now. I just wish it would handle movies in my room. Oh well, it's on Audiogon.

I know, I know....

Something else from Paul.... ? Paul who...?