billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
Where in the hell did the term Dipolmatic Immunity derive from and in the case of anybody abusing it they should have it revoked! What an A...hole...:mad:
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Where in the hell did the term Dipolmatic Immunity derive from and in the case of anybody abusing it they should have it revoked! What an A...hole...:mad:
Diplomatic Immunity makes the practice of espionage possible. Without it it would be much harder to spy on others.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
I don't think Diplomatic Immunity should give someone license to be an a-hole. There's a reason there is no smoking on airplanes, and he should have curbed his habit until he was on the ground.
 
J

jamie2112

Banned
What a TOOLBAG..and they can't do anything to him? I would revoke his diplomat status right away and throw him out of the country...UNBELIEVEABLE ..
 
GirgleMirt

GirgleMirt

Audioholic
Holy christ on a stick, let's invade Qatari!!!

Relax people, poor guy was just trying to have a smoke...

So what were the jet fighters for anyhow? They were afraid that he would take over the plane with his shoe on fire? Oh god give him the controls he's smokin a cig!!!

Seriously, someone made a joke, bring in the jet fighters? Just shackle the guy, take off his shoes if you're really petrified that he's going to blow up the plane with them, and that's it... Problem solved... Strip search him if you're really scared of the guy, that would have taught him a lesson...

USA has become insane.

President Obama was briefed about the situation at 8:50 p.m. Wednesday by his national security advisor, Gen. Jim Jones, and national security chief of Staff Denis McDonough
Obama: "My god, a cigarette on a plane... Is everyone safe?"
national security advisor, Gen. Jim Jones: Yes sir, we deployed two fighter jets to escort the plane, just to be sure.
Obama: Well done! Couldn't think of a better way to spend the >$50000 (it probably) cost to deploy those jet fighters!
national security chief of Staff Denis McDonough: Thank you sir! I was the one who suggested two jet fighters be deployed, as it's a big plane and one probably wouldn't have been able to take it down on its own.
Obama: Well done! A cigarette was involved, and the guy had shoes, you can never be too safe.
national security advisor, Gen. Jim Jones and national security chief of Staff Denis McDonough: Yes sir!

Another passenger, Tim Burney of Centennial, Colo., said he didn't realize anything was wrong until the plane landed.
Fantastic By their magnificent response they managed to prevent panic in the plane. Imagine if word of the cigarette had gone out... My god, that would have caused a riot and probably would have taken the plane down... They were able to contain the cigarette joker situation without causing panic... Impressive!

Once the plane was on the ground, the pilot said, "We have a situation on the plane," but didn't elaborate, Smith said.
If he did: "someone tried to light a cigarette, and made a joke about lighting his shoe on fire"... *crowd gasps, children start to cry, mothers fall on their knees praising the lord, etc..*

Amateur...

I don't think Diplomatic Immunity should give someone license to be an a-hole. There's a reason there is no smoking on airplanes, and he should have curbed his habit until he was on the ground.
And what exactly is that reason? You are aware that smoking was allowed on flights until recently right? Just saying in case you think it warrants in anyway the deployment of two fighter jets... ("In 1987, smoking was banned on flights of less than two hours. In 1989, it was banned on doemstic flights of less than 6 hours, 1998 banned on all domestic flights. ") (Btw, I'm a non-smoker who hate smoking as much as anybody else... info: http://www.flyana.com/smoking.html)
 
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Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
And what exactly is that reason? You are aware that smoking was allowed on flights until recently right? Just saying in case you think it warrants in anyway the deployment of two fighter jets... ("In 1987, smoking was banned on flights of less than two hours. In 1989, it was banned on doemstic flights of less than 6 hours, 1998 banned on all domestic flights. ") (Btw, I'm a non-smoker who hate smoking as much as anybody else... info: http://www.flyana.com/smoking.html)
I agree with everything else you said. BUT, fact is there is no smoking on flights. Period. It doesn't matter when it was banned or why it was banned. He shouldn't have done it. I said he was an a-hole for doing it, not that I personally thought this was a situation worth someone getting their panties soiled over.

Was the reaction way over the top? Hell yes. Those fighter jets do cost over $3k/hour to operate, so you're right about that too. The air marshall on board also could have just checked the guy to show there was no threat and it should have ended there. So yes, the reaction was very much over the top.

STILL, the fact is he shouldn't be smoking on a plane. When I was young, a flight I was on had a guy smoke in the bathroom. I felt sick breathing the smoke that came through the vents, because in case anyone forgets, PLANES DON'T VENT TO THE OUTSIDE! I just think it should be common courtesy for someone to not subject other people to their disgusting and unhealthy habit. :cool::D
 
GirgleMirt

GirgleMirt

Audioholic
STILL, the fact is he shouldn't be smoking on a plane. When I was young, a flight I was on had a guy smoke in the bathroom. I felt sick breathing the smoke that came through the vents, because in case anyone forgets, PLANES DON'T VENT TO THE OUTSIDE! I just think it should be common courtesy for someone to not subject other people to their disgusting and unhealthy habit.
What kind of plane was it? 1 cigarette in a plane shouldn't be too bad for the passengers... If you were really next to the door, which would suck as all other kinds of odors emanating from the bathroom could be as bothersome as cigarette smoke, then I guess you could have called a flight attendant and get him/her to do something about it... But I agree with you, just a few years ago they banned smoking in restaurants and bars. ABOUT TIME!!!

Was the reaction way over the top? Hell yes. Those fighter jets do cost over $3k/hour to operate, so you're right about that too. The air marshall on board also could have just checked the guy to show there was no threat and it should have ended there. So yes, the reaction was very much over the top.
Actually, more than 10 times that... http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=7273710&page=2
NORAD spokesman Michael Kucharek said --- it costs roughly $50,000 per hour/per jet to scramble F-16s. From the time the plane was initially intercepted over Lake Superior near the Michigan upper peninsula until it landed on the Missouri highway, it was followed by two F-16s for more than five hours -- a likely tab of $500,000.
What's absolutely batshit insane is that there seems to be absolutely no common sense applied to any of these cases. It was obvious the guy wasn't trying to blow up the plane, he just made a sarcastic comment, so why blow it up to proportions where it becomes news worthy and actually goes as far as to involve the army and the president of the USA...

Jesus, it was a dumb, sarcastic comment, how insane does the world become because of it?

Arresting someone for a stupid joke and throwing someone in jail is one thing, but 15 years in jail for it would be a bit much I think. If you're the security agent, you can just say: "That's one hell of a stupid joke to make, as that can get you arrested and thrown in jail. Now is there really a bomb in your bag?", and that's it, case closed... Unless the guy really wants to do a legal suicide or whatever, that will be over... And even then, 15 years? Don't you think that 1000 days in jail should be enough to teach him a lesson? Have to go for more than 5000 days? Oh yeah, 2500 days, nahh.. not enough... 3000? nah... 4000? Nah, he probably hasn't have enough time to think things through... you need more than 5000 days, that's barely more than one hundred twenty thousand hours, should give him enough time to reflect upon his joke and see how it was not funny... Or maybe, they just want to counter his not funny joke with a funny one, but which is true? "Hahaha ok that's funny 15 years in jail for a failed joke, that was hilarious... Ok now let me out of here... Come on you guys were kidding right? Why are you not laughing? Please say that was a joke... Plz?..."

Anyhow, it's all hysteria. Terrorists should pay bums 1000$ to get on an american planes and joke about having bombs. The thousands of f16 they'll have to deploy to counter this surprise attack will drive the USA to financial ruin and leave it open for a surprise invasion.

I know just saying the word "bomb" could get you arrested in an airport... Probably still can.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Although smoking on a plane is a stupid an un-courteous thing to do, the reaction shouldn't be that strong. However, when someone says they're trying to light their shoe on fire like this guy did, you take action. The solution is simple, fine his country of origin for the cost of our fighter jets being sent up and we'll see if they continue to employ moronic diplomats.
 
Patrukas777

Patrukas777

Senior Audioholic
They should fine the idiot the cost of sending the fighter jets ;)...his country should have to pay the bill, they produced that idiot.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
What kind of plane was it? 1 cigarette in a plane shouldn't be too bad for the passengers... If you were really next to the door, which would suck as all other kinds of odors emanating from the bathroom could be as bothersome as cigarette smoke, then I guess you could have called a flight attendant and get him/her to do something about it... But I agree with you, just a few years ago they banned smoking in restaurants and bars. ABOUT TIME!!!


Actually, more than 10 times that... http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=7273710&page=2


What's absolutely batshit insane is that there seems to be absolutely no common sense applied to any of these cases. It was obvious the guy wasn't trying to blow up the plane, he just made a sarcastic comment, so why blow it up to proportions where it becomes news worthy and actually goes as far as to involve the army and the president of the USA...

Jesus, it was a dumb, sarcastic comment, how insane does the world become because of it?

Arresting someone for a stupid joke and throwing someone in jail is one thing, but 15 years in jail for it would be a bit much I think. If you're the security agent, you can just say: "That's one hell of a stupid joke to make, as that can get you arrested and thrown in jail. Now is there really a bomb in your bag?", and that's it, case closed... Unless the guy really wants to do a legal suicide or whatever, that will be over... And even then, 15 years? Don't you think that 1000 days in jail should be enough to teach him a lesson? Have to go for more than 5000 days? Oh yeah, 2500 days, nahh.. not enough... 3000? nah... 4000? Nah, he probably hasn't have enough time to think things through... you need more than 5000 days, that's barely more than one hundred twenty thousand hours, should give him enough time to reflect upon his joke and see how it was not funny... Or maybe, they just want to counter his not funny joke with a funny one, but which is true? "Hahaha ok that's funny 15 years in jail for a failed joke, that was hilarious... Ok now let me out of here... Come on you guys were kidding right? Why are you not laughing? Please say that was a joke... Plz?..."

Anyhow, it's all hysteria. Terrorists should pay bums 1000$ to get on an american planes and joke about having bombs. The thousands of f16 they'll have to deploy to counter this surprise attack will drive the USA to financial ruin and leave it open for a surprise invasion.

I know just saying the word "bomb" could get you arrested in an airport... Probably still can.
One lit cigarette can cause asthma attacks and without an inhaler for everyone, it can be a problem and if you smoke, you'll never understand how much a non-smoker hates the stench.

Smoking is banned on international flights all over, not just the ones that land here. If the guy wanted to sneak one, he should have gone to the can, like others have done (if he could keep the smoke detector from going off). To do it in the cabin is just stupid. I don't know the make-up of the air in a pressurized plane but I know they use oxygen generators. Is it more flammable than the atmosphere? Could he have started a larger fire?

Face it, or not- if an American goes to a Muslim country and makes a joke that offends the locals, they'd be killed. Make a joke about Mohammad and it's almost guaranteed.

I'll tell you what- next time you fly, I hope someone does this in the seat next to you so you can see how funny it is.

"Anyhow, it's all hysteria. Terrorists should pay bums 1000$ to get on an american planes and joke about having bombs. The thousands of f16 they'll have to deploy to counter this surprise attack will drive the USA to financial ruin and leave it open for a surprise invasion."

We have enough problems without jags like you making this kind of recommendation.
 
GirgleMirt

GirgleMirt

Audioholic
One lit cigarette can cause asthma attacks and without an inhaler for everyone, it can be a problem and if you smoke, you'll never understand how much a non-smoker hates the stench.
As I've previously stated, I don't smoke and hate smoke as much as anyone. That said, once again, you don't have to become hysterical. One cigarette on a plane won't cause massive asthma attacks. As previously stated, there was not always no smoking regulations on flights. People with asthma used to travel alongside smokers. One cigarette in a Boeing 757 is quite insignificant and in all likelihood won't cause massive asthma attacks on the plane. The density of smoke inside the plane, with the massive volume of air in such a large plane, is really nothing to be worried about. So again, let's not blow up the problem to ridiculous proportions.

I don't know the make-up of the air in a pressurized plane but I know they use oxygen generators. Is it more flammable than the atmosphere? Could he have started a larger fire?
If lighting a match in a plane would light up the whole thing, people wouldn't try to make shoe bombs :p

Face it, or not- if an American goes to a Muslim country and makes a joke that offends the locals, they'd be killed. Make a joke about Mohammad and it's almost guaranteed.
And your point is? Because they would have even more ridiculous repercussions to a benign act in other countries, it makes the ridiculous repercussions of doing it on american soil ok?

I'll tell you what- next time you fly, I hope someone does this in the seat next to you so you can see how funny it is.
Does what? Light up a smoke? The solution is simple, simply inform him/her that there's no smoking in the plane, and if that fails, have the flight attendants deal with the problem. At worst ask him to be moved to another seat, or to be moved yourself... No big deal here.

Make a joke about lighting up their shoes? Do you think that would scare me? I'd just laugh about it, and if for some reason it seems serious, then again talk with the flight attendants. No reason to freak out either way.

"Anyhow, it's all hysteria. Terrorists should pay bums 1000$ to get on an american planes and joke about having bombs. The thousands of f16 they'll have to deploy to counter this surprise attack will drive the USA to financial ruin and leave it open for a surprise invasion."

We have enough problems without jags like you making this kind of recommendation.
What's a jag? So you really see my humorous sarcastic attempt at demonstrating the silliness of the situation as a serious threat to your national security? Wow... Let me tell you what would probably happen if it was to happen. They would simply stop deploying fighter jets and making a huge deal out of nothing. Seems like there's now air marshalls in planes. Well, two of them can probably deal with the situation by themselves.

What good are the fighter jets exactly? Let's say that he was serious, and he had shoe bombs that he had tried to light up. What ****ing good are the fighter planes going to do in that situation? Obviously, he failed, he told the marshalls he had tried to light up his shoes. So what now? Mashalls have him shacked, how do the fighter jets help in any possible way?

And let's say he's a super terrorist, and when the fighter jets gets there, he expertly manages to get a hold of his bomb shoes and blow up the plane. How are the fighter jets any help?

Let's be logical for a sec... Did this guy posed more of a threat than any other passengers on any other plane, because he said that he tried to light up his shoes? He's actually less dangerous than any potential flier because now the marshalls are watching him closely and he won't be able to scratch his *** without them being all over him. So again, how do the fighter jets fit in in all of this?

They should fine the idiot the cost of sending the fighter jets ...his country should have to pay the bill, they produced that idiot.
He's an idiot, but the country shouldn't have to pay for the USA's irrational response. They're wasting their own money for no good reason, they should definitely be the ones to pay for it.

You know, it reminds me of another situation. At a party at a friend, there was some kids, one very young small blond kid was playing and goes: "naninanibooboo!" to me. So I laugh, and say back to her: "naninanibooboo!" And she goes nooo!! and gets all emotional about the "naninanibooboo!", which was even more hilarious. Well, that's USA. Someone went: "naninanibooboo!" to them and they made a huge deal out of it, they involved the army who deployed fighter jets, wasted the president's and countless other people's time for something which was absolutely trivial.

Yeah, you don't joke about security. In other words, absolutely no naninanibooboos will be tolerated, and there will be consequences to naninanibooboos because security is of utmost importance.

Sometimes, using one's brain instead of following ridiculous protocols can make wonders. "Control, some douchebag made a joke about lighting up his shoes, but we've got things under control.". "Roger that.". It didn't need to be bigger than that...
 
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s162216

s162216

Full Audioholic
STILL, the fact is he shouldn't be smoking on a plane. When I was young, a flight I was on had a guy smoke in the bathroom. I felt sick breathing the smoke that came through the vents, because in case anyone forgets, PLANES DON'T VENT TO THE OUTSIDE! I just think it should be common courtesy for someone to not subject other people to their disgusting and unhealthy habit. :cool::D
And I wonder why the airline crews always used to have lots of lung cancers...:confused:
 
GirgleMirt

GirgleMirt

Audioholic
Planes weren't the only place... Have you ever been to a bingo? Had the misfortune (for smoke inhalation) of going with my grandma (non-smoker) when I was a kid... A coffee place? A bar? A club? There was plenty of places where my eyes would start to water and make it difficult to see (contact lenses), your clothes would stink after just a couple mins in that place... But everything said, 1 cig on a Boeing 757 is absolutely nothing.

Sad thing about crews with lung problems, as a link I posted earlier said, they went to court, their lawyers made millions and millions, and they got NOTHING...
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
What good are the fighter jets exactly? Let's say that he was serious, and he had shoe bombs that he had tried to light up. What ****ing good are the fighter planes going to do in that situation?



Sometimes, using one's brain instead of following ridiculous protocols can make wonders. "Control, some douchebag made a joke about lighting up his shoes, but we've got things under control.". "Roger that.". It didn't need to be bigger than that...
Seems to be a clear case of Monday Morning Quarterbacking on your part.

Due to the unpredictable nature of terrorism, surely you can understand why so many people are on edge. It was as recent as December when a terrorist tried to light his underwear bomb, in hopes of bringing down a plane during our holiday season.

The fighter jets are called to shoot down the airliner, before it can be used as a weapon against us, as they were on Sept 11th.
 
GirgleMirt

GirgleMirt

Audioholic
Seems to be a clear case of Monday Morning Quarterbacking on your part.

Due to the unpredictable nature of terrorism, surely you can understand why so many people are on edge. It was as recent as December when a terrorist tried to light his underwear bomb, in hopes of bringing down a plane during our holiday season.

The fighter jets are called to shoot down the airliner, before it can be used as a weapon against us, as they were on Sept 11th.
Context my friend, context... If a plane has been hijacked or is in risk of being, yes, deploying fighter jets to shoot it down because it might be used as a giant missile is a necessary precaution.

This does not apply to this case. A guy made a sarcastic joke about lighting trying to light up his shoes. Did this guy pose a threat to the flight or anyone on board? The answer is a simple and clear no. Was the plane more at risk of being hijacked because someone made a sarcastic comment about trying to light up his shoes? Again, the answer is no. Did the fighter jets serve any purpose in this case? The answer is again no. Huge waste of money and time for everyone involved.

A ridiculously disproportional response to a benign act. And that's the issue and what is vent worthy here. They're so paranoid and irrational that a trivial act becomes a huge concern and a disproportional response is generated.

It's the same kind of paranoid and unreasonable silliness which resulted in the patriot act, which pretty much dismisses any human right any individual is entitled to on pretty much any insignificant grounds. In the name of security any insanity goes, and no response is disproportional.
 
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gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
Context my friend, context... If a plane has been hijacked or is in risk of being, yes, deploying fighter jets to shoot it down because it might be used as a giant missile, deploying fighter jets is a necessary precaution.

This does not apply to this case. A guy made a sarcastic joke about lighting trying to light up his shoes. Did this guy pose a threat to the flight or anyone on board? The answer is a simple and clear no. Was the plane more at risk of being hijacked because someone made a sarcastic comment about trying to light up his shoes? Again, the answer is no. Did the fighter jets serve any purpose in this case? The answer is again no. Huge waste of money and time.
How did anyone know that it was a sarcastic joke instead of a real terorist intent on using the plane as a giant missle? It's easy to look back and see what happened now. Wasn't so clear at the time.
 
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