Health care...Yeah or Nay

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Alex2507

Alex2507

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A NO vote, along with my doc and dentist, and my wife's two docs.

The most important provisions of the mammoth health bill aren’t set to take effect until 2014, or even later. (So why rush it through, you ask?)

You’ll note that by 2014 the US will have had two Congressional elections. Three, if you count the one that will occur in late 2014 itself. And in 2012 there’s the little matter of President Obama’s run for re-election.
Dude, 2012 is the end of the world!
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I have seen references to Warren Buffet supporting this bill, in several places. He doesn't support the bill. He said that, lacking any other way, it should be done. Asked specifically, he said he prefers the Senate version and if a third option was available, he prefers that.

My comment about people taking care of themselves had more to do with people who don't live a healthy lifestyle saddling others with the cost for their treatment when they couldn't be bothered to continue/finish any kind of education, which makes it almost impossible to get a job that pays well.

Our "government", more like nannies, needs to instill a feeling that we can do anything, the way the nation felt during/after WWII. We no longer have a national identity, attitude or collective consciousness. Once people adopted the "What's in it for me?" attitude, we stopped caring about our own responsibilities. Look at what happened after Welfare began. We have had four generations of low-income people decide that they no longer need to work and support themselves. Since they don't need to work, they also don't feel any need to go to school. This also comes out in their using drugs, booze, sex or whatever it takes to forget their problems. Then, we have millions of unwed mothers, collecting more Welfare and leaching from others. The children born to them have little chance of anything close to a happy life and it certainly won't be a long life. Toss in 12 million illegals sapping the system of resources and what do we have? Exactly what we got.

The entitlement mentality HAS to end.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Dude, 2012 is the end of the world!
Oh good, so I won't have to move to Costa Rica:D:)


Someone needs to spawn a working population large enough to pay for the unsustainable entitlements the Obama party has suckered us into thinking we're entitled to. Nothing is really for Free, neither is health care.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

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Yes (filler for minimum post length requirement).

I am going to bankrupt you guys. Nothing but fried chicken, cigarettes and sitting on my butt from here on out.
 
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gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
Yes (filler for minimum post length requirement).

I am going to bankrupt you guys. Nothing but fried chicken, cigarettes and sitting on my butt from here on out.
Don't forget the Twinkies.:D
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I am going to bankrupt you guys. Nothing but fried chicken, cigarettes and sitting on my butt from here on out.
It won't be us, it'll be our kids and grand kids and their kids.:)
 
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James NM

Audioholic
Obamacare?

Oh HELL Yes!!

Let's see, it's something like this: We get to hire nearly 20 thousand new IRS employees (probably way more). Every business gets to report to the IRS on a monthly basis, so the IRS can verify that the business has offered health insurance that is acceptable to the IRS. If any citizen doesn't have the "proper" health insurance, the IRS can fine and/or imprison that person. Formerly confidential payroll and financial information is now disseminated through the health care system. The government will have even more of an excuse to get involved in every aspect of our lives, like what we do (you don't own a gun do you?), and what we eat (please step away from that twinkie!). Sounds good to me.

But best of all, we all get health care administered with the caring and compassion of the IRS - What's not to love about that?
 
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raffin

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No. Hello healthcare, goodbye economy....
And what's with everyone being forced to buy healthcare insurance? Land of the free....
 
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Patrukas777

Patrukas777

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NOOOO!!! Not only does the gov't take over the banks and auto industry...it now gets to take over 1/6th of the US economy- Health Care! It's so simple to see whats going on here.:eek::eek::eek:
 
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tonygeno

Junior Audioholic
No. Hello healthcare, goodbye economy....
And what's with everyone being forced to buy healthcare insurance? Land of the free....
I agree. I'm also upset I am forced to buy auto insurance. Land of the free, for sure. If I wrap myself around a pole or kill someone driving my car, I should be allowed to die with more money in more pocket or go bankrupt and not be forced to buy auto insurance I don't want!
 
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tonygeno

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NOOOO!!! Not only does the gov't take over the banks and auto industry...it now gets to take over 1/6th of the US economy- Health Care! It's so simple to see whats going on here.:eek::eek::eek:
Actually, the insurance company hegemony over healthcare still exists. In case you haven't noticed, the closer we got to healthcare reform, the higher health insurance stocks went. This bill is a boon to private insurance. The government taking over 1/6th of the economy is a nice republican talking point: it's just not based in the facts.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
Yay to who cares, this country and its economy and the futures of its children were all bought and sold by the upper 2% long before most of us were born.

*back to Gaming Central*
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I'm naturally disappointed the bill passed. The pay offs were too great for many of the most principled democrats.

Being in the Finance industry and having a very firm grasp on how economies work and how the economics of insurance companies work, I can say with complete certaintly that this plan is a not going to benefit but a few at the cost and downgrade of quality for many if not most of everyone else.. I'm ashamed of this country when our politcal parties, Democrat or Republican, create and offer up a villan for victims who usually are responsible for their own lot in life, to blame for their woes. In this case, the insurance companies and any one making more money than you. It's a very Hitler-esque approach that obviously proven it's value even in modern times.

Some of us here have reviewed the bill. I defy that most if any Congressmen and women can truly get their head around such a volume of law in just the 70 or so hours it was there to review. I'm a well educated, experienced, Sr. Analyst and I know I can't. What details we did look at create a very clear picture of just how distorted the cost structure really is. As a business person, or even someone running a household, you wouldn't ever consider running your finances in any way, shape, or form akin to what they've done. It would be like sitting at your kitchen table planning to buy something you can't possibly hope to afford and not really having a firm grasp on what it is you even want to buy, how it works, or what it will do for you... while at the same time creating the most absurd assumptions about money, performance, and benefit to somehow justify your thought process.


I'm all for health care reform, but not this. I was part of a think tank here in FL about 10 or so years ago and we talked about the causes of skyrocketing cost. Very little is being done to address those factors... namely serious tort reform. A large amount of the financing for this plan is predicated on savings from fraud and abuse of the medicare and medicaid... to the tune of $500 billion plus. Does anyone really believe that in the next year or two all of that fraud and misuse will end? If so, why not do that first and put that money in the coffers? Do that and I will listen.

What this does do is give some people insurance who didn't have it... many of which who can afford it but would rather not pay for it because their priorities tell them a vacation, a flat panel tv, or other luxuries are more important. However, if you get me and other Americans to subsidize those people, I guess they can now have their TV and watch it too and get health care. Also, no one has addressed who's suddenly going to take care of the supposed tens of millions more people who can now have coverage... if that even happens. I don't know about you, but I already wait a couple hours if I go to the ER with a gash on my head and I wait 2-3 months to get a physical at my primary or at least a few days if I'm sick and need to get into see him. I'm wondering how that's going to change.

We need change, but not like this. It seems nothing is ever done with common sense anymore. It's lies, demonizing, victimization, and finger pointing. I'm disgusted with our Administration for the corruption associated with getting this past not to mentiion the pure fundamental impurity of the plan, angry with the Republicans for once again dropping the ball and not getting people behind a complete redo of the plan. It's certainly not over, not by a long shot, but this is not anything to rejoice about. I do applaud Obama for getting this to the forefront, but beyond that, it's a failure for our country.
 
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bandphan

bandphan

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I cant find my rope:rolleyes:
still looking .

EDIT: And now we get 7-8 months of them trying to sell why this piece of law is good for everyone instead of handling the business at hand ..pfft
 
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majorloser

majorloser

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NOOOO!!! Not only does the gov't take over the banks and auto industry...it now gets to take over 1/6th of the US economy- Health Care! It's so simple to see whats going on here.:eek::eek::eek:
What he said with an extra "HELL NO" thrown in on top.
 
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