lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I was interested but then the link for the driver didn't work and I lost interest plus I didn't understand where the 3" tube went or even what a 3" tube is.

You can easily pull me back in. The sub that is completed from PE is too big but the other one should work.

Knock out some detail and I will see if lsiberian will come and cut the holes in the box for me.
I wouldn't mind it. I got a jasper jig and a plunge router.

The only issue is I've never cut on a built box with it.
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
I don't have much hope for it. The 1500 dollar twin 8" B&W PV1 hits 25Hz at 86dB, with around 80% THD. At 40Hz, it can do 95dB at 20% THD.

I am going to guess the much lower priced single driver 8" sub from them is going to have not better performance.

On the other hand, even my eco option mini 8" sub using the stock Dayton amp and cab with a new port, would easily do 100+ dB, 46Hz on up, (around 96dB at 40Hz, estimated from port limitations) with less than 20-30% THD at the lowest frequency. Or the more costly option using the larger amp and 1 cubic foot cab, could do 104-106dB, 37Hz on up. The driver I recommended is far superior, not slightly superior.

-Chris
No doubt it doesn't stack up to a ported DIY option with a good driver... but it has nice SQ and for my use (nearfield PC audio), it has plenty of output.

I suppose it'll work just fine until I suck it up and go the DIY route in the future.


Anyway, here are Tom Nousaine's measurements of the Velo SPL-800R, which is the MiniVee with a gloss cabinet and some digital EQ settings. So it's performance without the EQ should be a good indicator of what the VMS-8 can do....
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/TinyKillerSubslab.pdf
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Greg has a empty bottle of the good stuff that he fills with rot gut.;):D
My brother use to do that but he would only pour out of it for this one guy as an insult. Everybody else knew. :p

I also want something small so Alex doesn't feel all alone.:eek:
Yeah, I feel better already. :rolleyes:

I like you Chris. As my wife would say..."You're like a dog on a bone!" :D
What? He didn't even mention the Behringer DCX 2496 yet. :confused:
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Keep in mind that this is only used ~2 hours/week and only for background music. I would say I play it at 60db max. Since the speakers extend down around 50Hz +/-1.5dB, I think the little sub will add to them.

I do know a DIY would kill it but I am more into practical application then theory and bottom line is, I would likely never get around to building a sub. I feel almost certain I will plug one in if it comes in the mail and all I have to do is take it out of the box.

As always, thanks for the help.
I don't have much hope for it. The 1500 dollar twin 8" B&W PV1 hits 25Hz at 86dB, with around 80% THD. At 40Hz, it can do 95dB at 20% THD.

I am going to guess the much lower priced single driver 8" sub from them is going to have not better performance.

On the other hand, even my eco option mini 8" sub using the stock Dayton amp and cab with a new port, would easily do 100+ dB, 46Hz on up, (around 96dB at 40Hz, estimated from port limitations) with less than 20-30% THD at the lowest frequency. Or the more costly option using the larger amp and 1 cubic foot cab, could do 104-106dB, 37Hz on up. The driver I recommended is far superior, not slightly superior.

-Chris
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
I do know a DIY would kill it but I am more into practical application then theory and bottom line is, I would likely never get around to building a sub. I feel almost certain I will plug one in if it comes in the mail and all I have to do is take it out of the box.
This is the same realization I came to, and why I bought the VMS-8 instead of going DIY... for now at least.

Perhaps once I own a home instead of rent, and I have the space and tools to take on some audio project... I'll get around to building a sub..
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
This is the same realization I came to, and why I bought the VMS-8 instead of going DIY... for now at least.

Perhaps once I own a home instead of rent, and I have the space and tools to take on some audio project... I'll get around to building a sub..
I rent and build stuff. The real truth is laziness is your motivation for this method. Don't worry I share this same disease. I nearly have a DIY sub of some kind after having the driver for nearly a whole year.
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
I rent and build stuff. The real truth is laziness is your motivation for this method. Don't worry I share this same disease. I nearly have a DIY sub of some kind after having the driver for nearly a whole year.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying I can't build a sub because I don't own a home and have my own work shop. I don't have the tools...but sure I could buy them. Let's face it though - it's easier to just buy a complete sub and connect it.

Ultimately...I can be happy enough with a commercial product. What I have for my desktop now is leagues better than the Klipsch promedia "system" I had less than 2 years ago.

We all have different level of interest in this audio hobby... And the time I don't spend fumbling through building a sub or reading about what components and tools I need... I can instead spend dragging my *** to the gym or doing something else I enjoy as well. Free time is a limited commodity, and it always seems like there is something else to keep me busy (even if that is enjoying some lazy time) and put the DIY pursuits on hold.

If my desire for better audio grows...I'm sure it'll lead me down the DIY path sooner or later. But for now...it's just not that much of a passion for me.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Well, I was hoping to have the sub by the weekend but it just set at "BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED" from Saturday until today.

KEW ordered a couple from the same place, 2 days after me and is getting his today.

I'm a tad frustrated. I sent an email to the supplier and the Sales Manager emailed me right back and said he would check into the issue. I asked him to follow up with me but I haven't heard back from him. All the sudden, it was shipped after the first email.
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Well, I was hoping to have the sub by the weekend but it just set at "BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED" from Saturday until today.

KEW ordered a couple from the same place, 2 days after me and is getting his today.

I'm a tad frustrated. I sent an email to the supplier and the Sales Manager emailed me right back and said he would check into the issue. I asked him to follow up with me but I haven't heard back from him. All the sudden, it was shipped after the first email.
Was it that the tracking info was not sent to you and it left or is it just going out today? I think you deserve an upgrade.:cool:
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Looks like it just went out today.
HARRISBURG, PA, US 03/04/2010 2:29 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
HARRISBURG, PA, US 03/03/2010 9:04 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN

I should of just went to my dealer and talked him down to the same price but I didn't fell like jacking with it.


Was it that the tracking info was not sent to you and it left or is it just going out today? I think you deserve an upgrade.:cool:
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Here is their last response:


I honestly do not have an answer for the delay at this point. I checked yesterday with our shipping department and they showed it as being shipped from our location on the 1st. At this point I can only speculate that somehow it was not scanned into the UPS system properly when it hit their hub. Evidently UPS corrected whatever happened and it is now on route to you. I apologize for the delay with UPS and please let us know if you have any further problems.


Thanks

Dylan Thomas
Sales Manager
HIDEF Lifestyle Inc.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Here's my guess.
Pure SWAG or BS (your choice) below:
I think they sold 1 more than they had and were/are in "Uh, whadda we gonna do now" mode.
Mine got preference because I ordered two. Yours was in limbo until you made some noise about it which bumped it to "ship" status.
Someone else is going to get a "sorry for the inconvenience" notice.:(
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I think you are correct.

Did you get a chance to try yours yet?
Here's my guess.
Pure SWAG or BS (your choice) below:
I think they sold 1 more than they had and were/are in "Uh, whadda we gonna do now" mode.
Mine got preference because I ordered two. Yours was in limbo until you made some noise about it which bumped it to "ship" status.
Someone else is going to get a "sorry for the inconvenience" notice.:(
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Yeah, they're keepers (at least until I get my DIY subs going and find out different!).

First off, I'm not very experienced/sophisticated with subs. It is much more difficult to distinguish what is going on down low than in the mid and upper range and I didn't do any type of measurement or playing of test tones.
Also this is 2.2 music-only. I spent some time listening to some of my favorite music (music I know well enough to have the base line memorized).

I have a pair of Martin Logan Dynamo's which I am happy with and A-B'ed them against the VMS's for about an hour.
(side note - I have found the Dynamo's to be more musical than the SVS SB12-plus which has a pretty good reputation)

My set-up is two identical Marantz receivers level matched for instant switching between the subs. Bass management is provided by the receiver at 120Hz and the speakers were off (I had already established that they blend well with the mains).

What I heard was the VMS have more kick. I listened to an acoustic guitar solo and it was interesting to hear the differences. The ML's actually played more of the music (not too much SPL, but it was there). My guess would be that they have a slower roll-off in the upper frequencies than the VMS's. I believe the Marantz's have a second order roll-off which must allow a fair amount of low-mid frequencies through. You could hear some of this on the VMS's, but the interesting thing is they added a little percussive punch to each string as it was plucked. The attacks on the ML's don't have as much authority.

Percussive is a good term for the VMS's. They definitely added the kick to the kick drum (and about anything else that is plucked or struck). Listening to acoustic bass was probably the easiest way to reveal this.

Also, listening to some low organ notes revealed that the VMS plays lower. Where the ML would drop off some on the lower notes being played, the VMS stayed solid. By itself teh ML sounded pretty decent, but when compared to the VMS, it was obvious that the ML was relying much more on harmonics than the fundamental.

I am hesitant to say much about about pitch. The VMS semed very good, but the ML's were decidedly better. However, as I said above, the ML's seemed to be playing a good bit more into higher frequencies, which would add a lot more pitch info, so I don't know what to attribute to this. If I had two identical pairs of speakers, I guess I could get a better take on that!

One thing about a little 8" driver with a 12.7 pound magnet and 1000W RMS - it jumps!

Much of the reason I bought these was that the components seemed much like a scaled down version of the DIY 12" sealed subs I am anxious to get going (and the VMS's didn't have to wait their turn for fair weather and the honey-do list).

I had expected to pair the VMS's in the office with my EMP 41-SE/B's, but now I'm thinking they will end up in the bedroom with my Paradigm S-2's (the DIY sub will go with the Focal Solo6's).

I'll get some pics up later.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Awesome. I can't wait to get mine on Monday.

Should I compare it to my real sub?;):D






Yeah, they're keepers (at least until I get my DIY subs going and find out different!).

First off, I'm not very experienced/sophisticated with subs. It is much more difficult to distinguish what is going on down low than in the mid and upper range and I didn't do any type of measurement or playing of test tones.
Also this is 2.2 music-only. I spent some time listening to some of my favorite music (music I know well enough to have the base line memorized).

I have a pair of Martin Logan Dynamo's which I am happy with and A-B'ed them against the VMS's for about an hour.
(side note - I have found the Dynamo's to be more musical than the SVS SB12-plus which has a pretty good reputation)

My set-up is two identical Marantz receivers level matched for instant switching between the subs. Bass management is provided by the receiver at 120Hz and the speakers were off (I had already established that they blend well with the mains).

What I heard was the VMS have more kick. I listened to an acoustic guitar solo and it was interesting to hear the differences. The ML's actually played more of the music (not too much SPL, but it was there). My guess would be that they have a slower roll-off in the upper frequencies than the VMS's. I believe the Marantz's have a second order roll-off which must allow a fair amount of low-mid frequencies through. You could hear some of this on the VMS's, but the interesting thing is they added a little percussive punch to each string as it was plucked. The attacks on the ML's don't have as much authority.

Percussive is a good term for the VMS's. They definitely added the kick to the kick drum (and about anything else that is plucked or struck). Listening to acoustic bass was probably the easiest way to reveal this.

Also, listening to some low organ notes revealed that the VMS plays lower. Where the ML would drop off some on the lower notes being played, the VMS stayed solid. By itself teh ML sounded pretty decent, but when compared to the VMS, it was obvious that the ML was relying much more on harmonics than the fundamental.

I am hesitant to say much about about pitch. The VMS semed very good, but the ML's were decidedly better. However, as I said above, the ML's seemed to be playing a good bit more into higher frequencies, which would add a lot more pitch info, so I don't know what to attribute to this. If I had two identical pairs of speakers, I guess I could get a better take on that!

One thing about a little 8" driver with a 12.7 pound magnet and 1000W RMS - it jumps!

Much of the reason I bought these was that the components seemed much like a scaled down version of the DIY 12" sealed subs I am anxious to get going (and the VMS's didn't have to wait their turn for fair weather and the honey-do list).

I had expected to pair the VMS's in the office with my EMP 41-SE/B's, but now I'm thinking they will end up in the bedroom with my Paradigm S-2's (the DIY sub will go with the Focal Solo6's).

I'll get some pics up later.
 
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