GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
What are you doing with this network?

Is it for streaming your ISO files from the HDDs to the PCs?
precisely, I usually rip my blu rays on my workstation desktop then transfer them to one of my HTPC's, and when doing so on a 10/100 network it could take up to an hour or so, but when using a gigabit network I can move these large files in under 10 mins. Plus the PS3 has a gigabit port on it and it reacts faster when using the PS3 media server, or Twonkymedia. not to mention when streaming HD content from one pc to another faster is always better. But it was time to upgrade my router anyway and the new one has wireless N built in so that will come in handy for me one day I'm sure.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
The mobo has RAID 10 available. This was the consideration:)
Given storage drives today (aka dirt cheap) I guess loosing 2tb of space in raid 10 would ok for you .... but TLERless drives will still be an issue for you down the road.

I know Nemo is running software raid 5 on his GF's CAD box, you can ask him about his experiences. I know since write speeds on software (aka build-on-mobo) would suck big time, read speeds would still be fast.

With 4 x 1Tb drives in raid 5 you'll loose only 1tb vs 2tb lost in Raid 10.
Thou Raid 10 will run faster, and you could loose 2 drives vs only 1 in raid 5 and still have your data intact
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
How many watts is it and how low can it go? :confused: :D
Infinite:eek::confused:

What are you doing with this network?

Is it for streaming your ISO files from the HDDs to the PCs?
Both my displays have media players, so I route all my ripped video content as well as my music library thru the displays. (ill more than likely build a couple a mini units in the future to upgrade to a better interface, unless someone wants the linux code for my displays and will re-work it:D) Also as Glocks mentioned file transfer between the networked computers is very fast. On a 10/100 you never get to max transfer anyways. Im also cat5e and dont think rewiring will provide a noticeable difference.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
I don't know that I would see a noticable increase in speed by going to all cat 6.
You'll gain nothing going Cat6 and waste plenty of time and effort doing it.

I ran RAID10 on both motherboard-integrated controllers and PCI-E Areca controllers before. Hardware controller + RAID10 would have been a waste of money for media serving, so I stuck with onboard. RAID10 on software was also a waste of HDD space, so I stuck with RAID5. RAID is also a topic that gets confused a lot. RAID10 and RAID0+1 work differently.

RAID10, think about it as RAID1 + RAID0. It's a mirrored array (RAID1) of two striped arrays (RAID0). That means both drives from one side of the higher level mirrored array can fail and your data is intact.

RAID0+1, simply RAID0 + RAID1. It's a striped array (RAID0) of mirrored arrays (RAID1). That means one drive from each side of the higher level striped array can fail and your data is still intact.

In RAID5, you can only lose one drive, period. In RAID6, you have a doubly redundant set of parity bits, so you can lose two drives although this array type only exists on good controllers. No onboard chipset provides RAID6.

For comparisons since people love them, RAID10 and 0+1 will be pretty much identical in performance. In server environments with high workloads, RAID10 will typically rebuild faster from a single drive loss than RAID0+1. RAID0+1 will typically rebuild faster from a multiple drive failure. Sure it's arguable, but I'm just relating my observations.

RAID5 can nearly equal the performance of either above nested RAID type in reads (your streaming) but will lag them both in writes (saving your downloads, defragging, processing a PAR set, unpacking a RAR, swap file usage). It will dog a single drive although some people love to think not. It outruns my WD VelociRaptor150 in all but seek times, and my drives are not the fastest large capacity drives on the market. RAID5 also allows you to use an odd amount of discs, which is nice if you want to have 5 HDDs and one optical on a controller with 6 SATA ports for example, or 3 arrayed drives with 2 opticals and a fast (Raptor or SSD) boot drive.

With the MTBF of the current HDD market products, it's highly doubtful that under normal conditions you will lose two hard drives at the same time. Back in the IBM Deathstar days, it was highly likely because those drives were terrible. I killed literally 3 of the 4 I had in one system within a week of each other.

In this generation of quad core CPUs and 8GB physical RAM installations, most people don't want to believe that they are wasting the majority of their computing power. You are. Get over it. Your hardware can handle the processing load of the non-dedicated (I don't call it "software" because that's not what it is) RAID controller on your motherboard. I can guarantee you that regardless of what the performance tab in your Windows Task Manager says, you are not nearly using all of your available computing power.

Lastly, make sure your cables are up to snuff. A friend recently went mad over his lack of performance between his very powerful server and his WDTV Live. Turns out a bad cable fixed his problem. Another area of note is downloaded encodings. If the rip is bad, the nfo file means nothing. I've been able to stream 30GB BD rips with no problem and my NMT only has a 100Mb ethernet connection. By comparison I've had choppy 720P/DTS 6GB rips and the cause was the encoding.

Feel free to buy some Cat6, an Areca ARC-1260, and 16 2TB Caviar Blacks. It's your wallet.
 
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krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
precisely, I usually rip my blu rays on my workstation desktop then transfer them to one of my HTPC's, and when doing so on a 10/100 network it could take up to an hour or so, but when using a gigabit network I can move these large files in under 10 mins. Plus the PS3 has a gigabit port on it and it reacts faster when using the PS3 media server, or Twonkymedia. not to mention when streaming HD content from one pc to another faster is always better. But it was time to upgrade my router anyway and the new one has wireless N built in so that will come in handy for me one day I'm sure.
I'm still amazed that you and Deftech don't have a centralized server for all your data.

Moving data back and forth from machine to machine and keeping track of what movie is on what computer is just shocking to me....there are so much better solutions out there.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I'll use cat 6 in the walls next time I have a house networked just because I want to be as future proofed as possible, but for now I know that the speeds I'm getting with cat 5e are just fine. I can't complain at all though since a friend of mine did the networking in my house for my housewarming gift, so it didn't cost me a thing.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I'm still amazed that you and Deftech don't have a centralized server for all your data.

Moving data back and forth from machine to machine and keeping track of what movie is on what computer is just shocking to me....there are so much better solutions out there.
I don't want or need anything like that, I have 3 pc's that I mainly use and I still have plenty of space as of right now, plus the abiliity to add more hard drives easily, and I'm only ripping the blu ray on one machine and moving it to another which is simple, I'd still have to move it to a central server if I had one. Plus with the library feature in windows 7, I just created a movie library which shows all the folders on my network that have .iso files in them, so I don't have to worry about keeping up with what movies are on what drive, I see them all in one folder.

But just out of curiosity, what all would be involved in putting together a box for a file server? I mean how much would it cost for the hardware, and would I need special software, or would a copy of win. 7 be enough? I doubt I would have much room left in my office for another computer, plus I wouldn't want something that was noisy.
 
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krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
I don't want or need anything like that, I have 3 pc's that I mainly use and I still have plenty of space as of right now, plus the abiliity to add more hard drives easily, and I'm only ripping the blu ray on one machine and moving it to another which is simple, I'd still have to move it to a central server if I had one. Plus with the library feature in windows 7, I just created a movie library which shows all the folders on my network that have .iso files in them, so I don't have to worry about keeping up with what movies are on what drive, I see them all in one folder.

But just out of curiosity, what all would be involved in putting together a box for a file server? I mean how much would it cost for the hardware, and would I need special software, or would a copy of win. 7 be enough? I doubt I would have much room left in my office for another computer, plus I wouldn't want something that was noisy.
Well this is ridiculous overkill but its just an idea.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62317

I would not suggest using 7 as the OS as it incorporates a lot of throttling into the IP stack. Especially when doing media sharing.

If you happy with what you have then be happy. :) So you only play back your content in 1 room then?
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
But just out of curiosity, what all would be involved in putting together a box for a file server? I mean how much would it cost for the hardware, and would I need special software, or would a copy of win. 7 be enough? I doubt I would have much room left in my office for another computer, plus I wouldn't want something that was noisy.
Check out unRAID. OpenFiler is also nice. You might like either.

As for hardware... so many options. The starting point is finding an enclosure you can live with or being willing to construct one by hand. I'd love to do that for someone. :D
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Well this is ridiculous overkill but its just an idea.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62317

I would not suggest using 7 as the OS as it incorporates a lot of throttling into the IP stack. Especially when doing media sharing.

If you happy with what you have then be happy. :) So you only play back your content in 1 room then?
I have my main workstation desktop in my office which is where I do most everything on my PC, rip, download, whatever, it's easier than working on the media pc in my living room and bedroom, plus it's the most powerful pc I have. I have a PC setup in my bedroom system, and another one in my living room system, I host .iso files from all 3 of these pc's since they all stay on 24/7, but with the library feature in win. 7 I can just add directories from a local pc, or from any hard drive on any pc on the network, and when I open the window for that library it shows all the directories I've added, so I can see all the movies in all the directories on all the pc's all in one window. My workstation PC which is a dell xps 9000 has a core i7 920 with 8 gigs of ram, a nvidia 8600 gts, a 500 gig primary hard drive, and currently only a 1 TB secondary drive, but it has a 3rd drive bay which I'm not currently using, but I also have a 400 gig external drive connected via esata. My main htpc has a 2 TB drive and a 250 gig primary drive, and the htpc in my bedroom has a 1.5 TB drive along with a 80 gig primary drive. I can also add external drives if I need, but at some point I will have movies I won't watch again and can just delete, or I may just burn some movies as blank blu rays drop in price.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
But just out of curiosity, what all would be involved in putting together a box for a file server? I mean how much would it cost for the hardware, and would I need special software, or would a copy of win. 7 be enough? I doubt I would have much room left in my office for another computer, plus I wouldn't want something that was noisy.
FreeNas is free OS and no need to pay for windows license.
I use OpenFiler (also free) at work, but I requires AD/LDAP server,which most homes wont have or need.

I wrote this one sometime ago, so some components might no longer be avail. but it'll give you general guideline.

http://www.boredsysadmin.com/2009/07/diy-3tb-nas-for-under-380.html

As I mentioned before and Nemo confirmed your write speed on software raid 5 will suffer, to fix it you'll need to invest into real hardware raid card - these start $300 - Some people had good success with used Dell SAS Perc 5/i card.
These you can get less than a hundred:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-WX072-PERC-5-i-for-Poweredge_W0QQitemZ120532364071QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Networking_Components?hash=item1c1049eb27#ht_1878wt_1165


Sas protocol is backward compatible with sata and some sellers will include sas 4x multi-lane to sata splitter cables
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I think for my needs, it would be cheaper to just add hard drives as I go along, I don't think I would benefit from a server at this point, but one day in the future if I have a dedicated theater room with a nice large rack I may incorporate a file sever into it. But for now what I have works really well for me.
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
I think for my needs, it would be cheaper to just add hard drives as I go along, I don't think I would benefit from a server at this point, but one day in the future if I have a dedicated theater room with a nice large rack I may incorporate a file sever into it. But for now what I have works really well for me.
With a server you can do the same. Add drives as you go, even with the system running. The difference is its centrally located.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Temps & Fans RPMs

This is what I'm getting from my HTPC#1:

Everest Ultimate Reading After 5 hrs:

MB 24C
CPU 27C
GPU 29C
Hitachi HDD#1 33C
Hitachi HDD#2 33C
WDC HDD 33C
WDC HDD 33C

CPU Fan 1100 RPM
HDD Fan #1 1300 RPM
HDD Fan#2 1300 RPM
Chassis Fan 700 RPM
GPU Fan RPM?

Is this pretty good?
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
This is what I'm getting from my HTPC#1:

Everest Ultimate Reading After 5 hrs:

MB 24C
CPU 27C
GPU 29C
Hitachi HDD#1 33C
Hitachi HDD#2 33C
WDC HDD 33C
WDC HDD 33C

CPU Fan 1100 RPM
HDD Fan #1 1300 RPM
HDD Fan#2 1300 RPM
Chassis Fan 700 RPM
GPU Fan RPM?

Is this pretty good?
without knowing exact model #s it seems ok, have you tried this
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
On another note has anyone had any success unlocking the 4th core on the X3s?
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
This is what I'm getting from my HTPC#1:

Everest Ultimate Reading After 5 hrs:

MB 24C
CPU 27C
GPU 29C
Hitachi HDD#1 33C
Hitachi HDD#2 33C
WDC HDD 33C
WDC HDD 33C

CPU Fan 1100 RPM
HDD Fan #1 1300 RPM
HDD Fan#2 1300 RPM
Chassis Fan 700 RPM
GPU Fan RPM?

Is this pretty good?
Don't use Everest for torture testing use Prime.

Then you can monitor your temps with HWMonitor and check your CPU/Mem/Mobo settings with CPUZ.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I would not try this as most of the X3's are X3's because one of the cores had an issue in manufacturing.
Not necessarily... it's just easier and cheaper to make everything x4 and disable 1 core, just to make a right quotas, plus "failed" core, doesn't necessarily means it'll fail under regular typical load.

My old video card ATI Radeon X800 GTO2 original had 12 pipelines, X850 XT had 16 pipes and higher clock. With easy bios mod I was able to achieve latter specs on my GTO2 card, which was at the time of purchase $80-100 cheaper.

To unlock 4th Core all it takes is to change one bios setting - I say do it, run Prime on it for at least 8 hours - if it doesn't fail it - then why not keep it at x4 ???
 

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