Subwoofer vs Towers

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twowhlrcr

Enthusiast
What's up all? Getting ready to dive into the start of my home theater addiction. I've been installing car stereos for 20 years but I am completely new to home audio/video. Right now all I have is a 51" 1080i big screen and a PS3. I won't have a huge budget to start, probably only about $1,000.00. Ok, here are my questions:

1) When listening to music, do you normally listen in 2 channel stereo mode? If so, is the subwoofer output "on" while in 2 channel stereo mode on most if not all A/V receivers?

2) Depending on the answer to question 1, is it better to have your front L and R speakers to be towers with subs that can reproduce the bass notes or go with the smaller cubes and a seperate subwoofer?

3) What's your take on some of the "Home Theater in a Box" products?

4) If you do recommend the towers with subs, do you also want to use a seperate sub?

Any help is appreciated, Thanks!
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
1) When listening to music, do you normally listen in 2 channel stereo mode? If so, is the subwoofer output "on" while in 2 channel stereo mode on most if not all A/V receivers?

2) Depending on the answer to question 1, is it better to have your front L and R speakers to be towers with subs that can reproduce the bass notes or go with the smaller cubes and a seperate subwoofer?

3) What's your take on some of the "Home Theater in a Box" products?

4) If you do recommend the towers with subs, do you also want to use a seperate sub?

Any help is appreciated, Thanks!
1&2) Your receiver has a crossover and handles the transition of the bass to the mains, so your towers can play some of the bass, but the sub handles the lowest notes so that your receiver doesn't have to do as much work - that's why the sub has its own amp. The lowest notes use the most power, so let the sub do what it needs to. I find that a good sub sounds great with music, but in a music only system I might go without a sub and some towers that handle a little more bass. For a typical HT system, good bookshelf speakers and a good sub are plenty.

3) At about $1K you are in the range where you would start looking beyond a HTiB.

4) Sub = always. There are few towers that can handle bass like a good sub.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
It's not mandatory that anyone's system be surround if they prefer stereo, IMO. Surround doesn't necessarily sound real, but it usually sounds spectacular with respect to special effects. Car audio has traditionally been for best stereo image, low noise, smooth sound and tonal balance but surround has setup demands that are different. If you like stereo, go with stereo. Realistic ambiance is hard to achieve, even with 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1. Subwoofers are more difficult to "knit" to the main speakers, so if you get some good towers that can produce full range well, that may be best. If the woofers, mids and tweeters are time-aligned well, they'll sound best. It's best for the sound to come from the smallest area, rather than having the woofers in one place, mid-bass in another, mids and tweeters is other places. It's like having 6" 2-way speakers in a car with the tweeters at the top of the pillars and the mid-bass at the bottom of the door panel- it just doesn't sound right, regardless of which crossover is used and is touted as "tolerant of wider separation of the drivers". Phase cancellations occur and imaging suffers.

RE: "Sub- always", it depends on the music if a music system is the main goal but if special effects are a main factor, it's hard to get the impact without a sub. Sometimes, great bass (not in the lowest subwoofer range) is better than great subwoofer that's hard to mate with the main speakers in the crossover region. IMO.
 
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lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
What's up all? Getting ready to dive into the start of my home theater addiction. I've been installing car stereos for 20 years but I am completely new to home audio/video. Right now all I have is a 51" 1080i big screen and a PS3. I won't have a huge budget to start, probably only about $1,000.00. Ok, here are my questions:

1) When listening to music, do you normally listen in 2 channel stereo mode? If so, is the subwoofer output "on" while in 2 channel stereo mode on most if not all A/V receivers?

2) Depending on the answer to question 1, is it better to have your front L and R speakers to be towers with subs that can reproduce the bass notes or go with the smaller cubes and a seperate subwoofer?

3) What's your take on some of the "Home Theater in a Box" products?

4) If you do recommend the towers with subs, do you also want to use a seperate sub?

Any help is appreciated, Thanks!
Given your car audio experience perhaps you could build your own subwoofer?

For your budget I suggest Behringer 2030p's all the way around.
 
T

twowhlrcr

Enthusiast
Thought about it...It would be fun...what would you suggest to power it?
 
T

twowhlrcr

Enthusiast
By the way Isiberian, those 2030p's look sweet. I never would have seen those without a hint. Who would make a good speaker stand for something like that?
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Thought about it...It would be fun...what would you suggest to power it?
Depends on what your budget and limitations are. The best budget driver is the Dayton 12" RF. I can link you the box parameters if interested. JL Audio 12w6v2 or higher, or Infinity Kappa Perfect would work too if you happen to have any of those lying around.

What's your budget for a potential sub.

For stands I suggest Sanus or you can build your own for vastly cheaper. I'm sure you know how to finish them nicely too.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
By the way Isiberian, those 2030p's look sweet. I never would have seen those without a hint. Who would make a good speaker stand for something like that?
Tremendously good performance, both on and off axis.
 
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twowhlrcr

Enthusiast
Lol....well you guys are definitely guiding me away from the HTIB setup. What would you recommend for an A/V receiver and center channel?
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
Lol....well you guys are definitely guiding me away from the HTIB setup. What would you recommend for an A/V receiver and center channel?
When lSiberian says all the way round he means matching 5 or 7 channels. This is actually much better than having speakers of different shapes/sizes/driver configurations as the soundstage will mesh perfectly.

For a receiver you have a LOT of options....again the major factor would be budget. Always spend more on your speakers than you do on your processing.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Lol....well you guys are definitely guiding me away from the HTIB setup. What would you recommend for an A/V receiver and center channel?
Even a Behringer 2030p on it's side would be better than any other center in that price range. However a center channel is not always necessary.

I don't use a center and plan not to for my reference tower builds. I'd rather spend that money on something else. I really don't see a lot of value in center channels. But if you do want one I suggest you have it vertical like all the other speakers.
 
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