The U.S. lending billions to Brazil for offshore drilling

Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Well, I think we should reel this in a bit...this giant fish named hyperbole.

I started this thread with some rather simple thoughts in mind.
It was based on the Wall Street Journal story. That, and the fact that I'll probably have to go back to school, and pursue a different degree / career. I'm not looking forward to starting over.
Work is really slowing down in my field, to the point of having to make a change; so my posts are the culmination of the WSJ story, and how I felt about this rather large change in my life.

Since I'm not a Republican, nor am I a Democrat; I'm looking at the WSJ story through the eyes of a taxpayer.

Now, if there are un-truths in the WSJ story, perhaps they should be addressed.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
Now, if there are un-truths in the WSJ story, perhaps they should be addressed.
Rick- I love the WSJ as much as the next guy and I've read the paper consistently everyday for the last 10 years (yes, I'm a huge geek), but let's keep in mind that this was an editorial and that facts generally have no say within the context of an editorial. I've noticed that many times in the the past few years the journal has gone very much off the deep end with some of its editorials, just like all papers tend to do.

One reason I love to read the Op/Ed pages of both the NY Times and the WSJ is that you generally get two very opposite points of view, often using the exact same fact pattern.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
To tie this to the slowing of work in your field: we would have to look at the causes of that slow-down. I'm not even sure what field you are in, so I couldn't really pose a guess.

There was a real problem about a year ago with something very similar to what is happening in the WSJ editorial: Liquidity fears had caused a slow-down in the paper market and companies that needed very-short-term loans to operate were indeed having trouble securing them. The Bush administration, and with the support of the Obama campaign, acted to unstick the paper market by a huge injection of capital.

Similarly: some rather insolvent companies (Chrysler, AIG, etc) had trouble getting capital and, again, the government stepped in with the infamous "bail out".

Over the past 1/2 year, there has not been a marked problem with solvent companies getting capital that I am aware of. Neither has there been a real shortage of venture capital. What there has been is a shortage of corporate spending, and a trade imbalance.

Interestingly: what is being discussed goes right to the heart of that. It attempts to encourage foreign markets to spend (by investing in them), and to focus that spending on US products (to improve our trade balance).

In this case, the Im-Ex bank is attempting to help a Brazilian oil company secure money, for the purpose of spending said money. The Im-Ex bank expects to turn a profit with the repayment of the loan, and US companies that provide services and goods to said Brazilian oil company will see higher sales, and the US will see an increase in exports.

I agree, if there was a better place to put that money, then it should be put there.

The WSJ editorial makes the mistakes I pointed out before in response to your posts reiterating their position. It treats an investment as a gift. It ignores the benefit to the US economy. It falsely suggests that it is a lack of capital that is preventing domestic drilling. It (apparently without valid reason) ties Obama into this specific decision of the Im-Ex bank.

I'm sure there are others: but that's the short version.

As to retraining: I feel your pain. I'm in one of the fields where the options are "constantly retrain" or "be rendered irrelevant by out-of-date knowledge". I started doing things that, while still done, are low-wage earners now... and I keep some active skills in other fields just-in-case. I loose a lot of free time every week to simply making sure I'm positioned to still be able to find a job 5 years from now.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
I've exceeded my thread derailing quota for this week. I think I'll leave this one to others to take care of.


It's amazing how some people just can't stay away from this stuff. And here I actually thought this was an audio/video forum. :(
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I've exceeded my thread derailing quota for this week. I think I'll leave this one to others to take care of.


It's amazing how some people just can't stay away from this stuff. And here I actually thought this was an audio/video forum. :(
WTF... I got a case of Harp:eek:
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I've exceeded my thread derailing quota for this week. I think I'll leave this one to others to take care of.


It's amazing how some people just can't stay away from this stuff. And here I actually thought this was an audio/video forum. :(
just for that:)
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
I've exceeded my thread derailing quota for this week. I think I'll leave this one to others to take care of.
I'm on it brotha...


I just got a catalog from Kimber Kable today. Their average cable must be 400 bucks, and they have cables up to 20,000+ for 15' ... a 7' cable for 10,000. USD retail.

Basically, they sell cables that cost more than my entire system.

Who buys this stuff? People overseas? Even with the exchange rate are you going to pay 10,000euros for a cable? Arab nations maybe? Who?
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I think we have no business using our government to loan money. That's why we have banks for crying out loud. It seems some folks don't like political threads, but it is as much an interest as sports are. Everyone has their thing I suppose.
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
There is probably more research needed to discover the truth about this. I believe Oil is controlled by large corporations. Those corporations are owned by mostly Americans so any benefit to their operation would actually benefit us. The world is becoming more globalized. It will be uncomfortable for many, but it's inevitable in my view.
LOL!!??

Really L?

Americans!!??

You need to take a trip to Dubai my friend. Thats where all the oil moguls are!
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
You need to take a trip to Dubai my friend. Thats where all the oil moguls are!
Certainly the government of Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia benefits greatly by the selling of oil from their land. In some cases (Venezuela) the companies themselves are local. But you'll find that a lot of oil drilling and processing is done by companies based in countries other than the one being drilled. The US, Russia, China, Denmark (Shell), and England come to mind.

Though I believe in this case the company in question is Brazilian.

And I second ISiberian on this: Politics is as legit as sports for a forum called "the steam vent". If someone doesn't like political discussions, just don't open the thread. I don't open sports threads often.
 
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