Plasma vs. LCD

[watsonville]

Now that I have replaced a new AV Reciever, the next will be the TV. I have heard arguments that Plasma is better than LCD. But the newer LCD will compliment the Plasma's. I have heard just recently that the Plasma's will reference balck colors better. And the Side angle viewing is better. Depending on whether I choose Plasma or LCD, which are the better Brands. There are arguments there as well. Panasonic I heard are the better ones.

 

[highfigh]

Now that I have replaced a new AV Reciever, the next will be the TV. I have heard arguments that Plasma is better than LCD. But the newer LCD will compliment the Plasma's. I have heard just recently that the Plasma's will reference balck colors better. And the Side angle viewing is better. Depending on whether I choose Plasma or LCD, which are the better Brands. There are arguments there as well. Panasonic I heard are the better ones.

Many companies have stopped making plasma, but it's not because LCD is better. Panasonic makes the most and they have new models coming in December that are basically (or literally) the same as the Pioneer KURO, which are the best I have ever seen. The 60+" model I helped a friend install was absolutely amazing and I have never seen an LCD, LED or DLP that looked as real. If you're looking for a plasma at a good price now, the Panasonics are on sale. The TC-P50S1 is on sale for about $1000 and if Best Buy still has them, they have that model with a DVD player for $1199. The S denotes which series it is and they have an X model, a C (wholesale clubs only) and a G model, as well. The G is the top of the line and the X is the lowest.

I don't like LCD for large displays- on a small monitor, it's OK but for a larger one, Plasma looks much better to me and I'm not alone on this.

 

[watsonville]

Many companies have stopped making plasma, but it's not because LCD is better. Panasonic makes the most and they have new models coming in December that are basically (or literally) the same as the Pioneer KURO, which are the best I have ever seen. The 60+" model I helped a friend install was absolutely amazing and I have never seen an LCD, LED or DLP that looked as real. If you're looking for a plasma at a good price now, the Panasonics are on sale. The TC-P50S1 is on sale for about $1000 and if Best Buy still has them, they have that model with a DVD player for $1199. The S denotes which series it is and they have an X model, a C (wholesale clubs only) and a G model, as well. The G is the top of the line and the X is the lowest.

I don't like LCD for large displays- on a small monitor, it's OK but for a larger one, Plasma looks much better to me and I'm not alone on this.

And I am looking for a larger screen at about 50+". And I understand LCD. But what are benefits of LED. And what is DLP. And what are its benefits. And it sounds as is you sway more to the Plasmas. Why is it they dont make Plasma any more if they are better the the others. And does Panasonic still continue to make Plasma's

 

[bandphan]

And I am looking for a larger screen at about 50+". And I understand LCD. But what are benefits of LED. And what is DLP. And what are its benefits. And it sounds as is you sway more to the Plasmas. Why is it they dont make Plasma any more if they are better the the others. And does Panasonic still continue to make Plasma's

Unless you need a screen size larger than 65", DLP (digital light processing, by TI) shouldnt come into play. Plasma will far and away give you the best picture and bang for your buck, and imo Panny would be the brand of choice unless you can still get the pioneer krp 500/600 models(no built in tuner, speakers, or included stand).

 

[highfigh]

And I am looking for a larger screen at about 50+". And I understand LCD. But what are benefits of LED. And what is DLP. And what are its benefits. And it sounds as is you sway more to the Plasmas. Why is it they dont make Plasma any more if they are better the the others. And does Panasonic still continue to make Plasma's

DLP as a wheel that reflects light to the back of a screen, which is why they're larger than LCD, LED and Plasma displays- the mirrors need to be farther away, so it ends up being like a somewhat smaller rear-projection TV. LED is sharper and can have higher color saturation but it's still not what Plasma can do. Plasma uses glass and making it costs more. Pioneer lost mpney on every Plasma they made because they couldn't hit the price points they wanted, which is unfortunate because they made incredible plasma screens. At the end, they had Panasonic make them. Hitachi stopped making Plasma and most others just want to make money instead of the best product. Obviously, they can't lose money and stay in business but quality has to count for something. Panasonic still makes them and as I posted earlier, the new ones will be like the Pioneer KURO. They won't be at the same prices as the current ones, though. If you want one soon at a great price, I would buy now. If you want the best, wait until next month for the new ones to come out.

 

[highfigh]

Unless you need a screen size larger than 65", DLP (digital light processing, by TI) shouldnt come into play. Plasma will far and away give you the best picture and bang for your buck, and imo Panny would be the brand of choice unless you can still get the pioneer krp 500/600 models(no built in tuner, speakers, or included stand).

I usually say that LED doesn't do it for me but I saw a Mitsubishi 83" LCD last month that looked better than most of the 42" ones I have seen. Still not a Plasma, but it was really good when there wasn't much motion. I'm sure that fast motion would have given it the same fits as any other LCD TV.

 

[watsonville]

DLP as a wheel that reflects light to the back of a screen, which is why they're larger than LCD, LED and Plasma displays- the mirrors need to be farther away, so it ends up being like a somewhat smaller rear-projection TV. LED is sharper and can have higher color saturation but it's still not what Plasma can do. Plasma uses glass and making it costs more. Pioneer lost mpney on every Plasma they made because they couldn't hit the price points they wanted, which is unfortunate because they made incredible plasma screens. At the end, they had Panasonic make them. Hitachi stopped making Plasma and most others just want to make money instead of the best product. Obviously, they can't lose money and stay in business but quality has to count for something. Panasonic still makes them and as I posted earlier, the new ones will be like the Pioneer KURO. They won't be at the same prices as the current ones, though. If you want one soon at a great price, I would buy now. If you want the best, wait until next month for the new ones to come out.

Thank You HIGHFIGH
You have been extremely helpfull in this. I called an online place up in Washington state called www.onecall.com
I have done business with them in the past with other products. Good people. He pretty much agreed on what you said for the Panasonic Plasma is almost second to none. He did mention that the V models (TCP50V10) 50=50" is the top of the line and the G model TCP50G10 is second to that. He didnt know of other models coming out for December.

 

[jostenmeat]

Still not a Plasma, but it was really good when there wasn't much motion. I'm sure that fast motion would have given it the same fits as any other LCD TV.

I just recently started reading about motion resolution, how hard it is to measure, and the possible doubts about how much a test pattern's results might affect real world human perception. However, IF it is important, not only do you want a plasma, you want a Pioneer. And it doesn't even have to be an Elite/Pro, but even a lower line will be better, at least according to three CNET reviewers.

.................................... Moscoviak............... Katzmaier............Panton
Pioneer 5020HD..................900........................1080..... ............1200
Samsung LN46A550.............500........................ 300........ ...........300
Samsung LN52A650.............500........................ 500........ ...........500
Sony 46Z4100....................600.........................500.. .................500
Sony 46W4100...................600.........................500... ................600
Vizio SV470XVT...................700........................700... ................800
Panasonic TH50PZ800U........600.........................600........... ........500

Counting blurry lines: Should CNET test for motion resolution on HDTVs?

While you can see the A550 LCD fared the worst, the other LCDs did just as badly when frame interpolation was disabled. Even the CNET editors mention that they find this tech to be inappropriate for film (24p). Lastly, who knows how much better artifacting has become with FI, but one can be sure that the more motion there is, the higher chances of artifacting.

Food for thought.

 

[highfigh]

I just recently started reading about motion resolution, how hard it is to measure, and the possible doubts about how much a test pattern's results might affect real world human perception. However, IF it is important, not only do you want a plasma, you want a Pioneer. And it doesn't even have to be an Elite/Pro, but even a lower line will be better, at least according to three CNET reviewers.

.................................... Moscoviak............... Katzmaier............Panton
Pioneer 5020HD..................900........................1080..... ............1200
Samsung LN46A550.............500........................ 300........ ...........300
Samsung LN52A650.............500........................ 500........ ...........500
Sony 46Z4100....................600.........................500.. .................500
Sony 46W4100...................600.........................500... ................600
Vizio SV470XVT...................700........................700... ................800
Panasonic TH50PZ800U........600.........................600........... ........500

Counting blurry lines: Should CNET test for motion resolution on HDTVs?

While you can see the A550 LCD fared the worst, the other LCDs did just as badly when frame interpolation was disabled. Even the CNET editors mention that they find this tech to be inappropriate for film (24p). Lastly, who knows how much better artifacting has become with FI, but one can be sure that the more motion there is, the higher chances of artifacting.

Food for thought.

I don't have a BluRay player yet but Oppo has a test disc that looks interesting and for $25, it's worth getting, for me. The tests look like they'd be pretty brutal for a lot of displays that aren't capable of high res motion. Personally, I'm still more of an audio guy but bad video makes me want to rub my eyes a lot and motion blur, pixel creep and other artifacts are just annoying. I'd rather see it than read specs about it.

I have a couple of links that I'll post later- interesting info about how much visible difference there is between 720p and 1080i/p from more than about 9'. Still, I seriously doubt anyone will be making anything other than 1080 displays after this year. Most sources can scale and if they can't, the TV can. If that can't, receivers can up/down-convert.

Speaking of HD sources- did anyone else know about the DirecTV R-22 receiver being able to do HD? I was told that it was SD when I replaced my old defective DVR receiver and recently read that it will show the HD channels. Might have been a software update.

 

[jostenmeat]

I have that Spears and Munsil disc. I ordered it without research because mperfct did, and I couldn't let him out-do me. The tests look fascinating. I have no idea what to do with most of them. Maybe you can rent one at some point.

*searching your DirecTV issue* . . . .

Um, after some browsing, I found nothing about what you are hoping for. Where did you read that? Perhaps here?
http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82

 

[pthoresen]

Many companies have stopped making plasma, but it's not because LCD is better. Panasonic makes the most and they have new models coming in December that are basically (or literally) the same as the Pioneer KURO, which are the best I have ever seen. The 60+" model I helped a friend install was absolutely amazing and I have never seen an LCD, LED or DLP that looked as real. If you're looking for a plasma at a good price now, the Panasonics are on sale. The TC-P50S1 is on sale for about $1000 and if Best Buy still has them, they have that model with a DVD player for $1199. The S denotes which series it is and they have an X model, a C (wholesale clubs only) and a G model, as well. The G is the top of the line and the X is the lowest.

I don't like LCD for large displays- on a small monitor, it's OK but for a larger one, Plasma looks much better to me and I'm not alone on this.

I have a G, and it is very good, but it is not the top of the line. The V higher up on the food chain and the Z is at the top with THX etc etc.

I am very happy with my G, just wish it was more compatible with Netflix

 

[highfigh]

I have that Spears and Munsil disc. I ordered it without research because mperfct did, and I couldn't let him out-do me. The tests look fascinating. I have no idea what to do with most of them. Maybe you can rent one at some point.

*searching your DirecTV issue* . . . .

Um, after some browsing, I found nothing about what you are hoping for. Where did you read that? Perhaps here?
http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82

I don't have a DirecTV issue- I was just wondering if the SD receiver, which now shows "with HD" in the info section, has been able to output the HD channels for long. I read it on another forum- an offshoot of the Mastercraft ski boat forum.

 

[highfigh]

I have a G, and it is very good, but it is not the top of the line. The V higher up on the food chain and the Z is at the top with THX etc etc.

I am very happy with my G, just wish it was more compatible with Netflix

Yeah-0 I had forgotten about the V series and not all distributors carry the whole line.

 

[jostenmeat]

I don't have a DirecTV issue- I was just wondering if the SD receiver, which now shows "with HD" in the info section, has been able to output the HD channels for long. I read it on another forum- an offshoot of the Mastercraft ski boat forum.

I believe I understood you perfectly fine.

Your contention in that you don't have an issue must be derived from a very specific definition of that word, or that you simply feel like correcting me on some semantic matter, or because I should have created my post with clearer intention. I'm sorry, perhaps I should have used a different word, such as topic, case, subject, matter . . .

I ran specific searches in AVS forum, its subforums, and consequent threads. I also googled. The closest thing, which wasn't close at all, was the announcement that DirecTV was to be the first to offer Quantum of Solace, in 1080p, but while it mentioned the R22, it did not directly imply that it could or could not offer that in HD with said unit. This was in April of this year if I remember correctly. I also believe it was posted twice, verbatim, in two separate threads. Again, if I remember correctly.

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

Anyone know if plasma's generally give off more heat than LCD's of equal size? My whole apt building is like a damn furnace and my 32" LCD already gives off too much heat.

 

[highfigh]

Anyone know if plasma's generally give off more heat than LCD's of equal size? My whole apt building is like a damn furnace and my 32" LCD already gives off too much heat.

They do use more energy than other displays and that's why some legislators in California want to ban plasma displays at some point. Personally, if I lived in a place that has so many days of sunlight (on average), there's no way I would be on the grid and I can't imagine why CA, AZ, UT, NV, MN and some other states don't make it easier or at least encourage more use of solar energy. If SCE and the other energy companies are like WE Energies (in Wisconsin), they would tell people to use less energy and then raise the rates because their income dropped and they weren't making enough money.