Have You Experienced Sibilance?...

timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
My wife & i were watching that movie My Life In Ruins. Its the movie that stars the same actress in My Big Fat Greek Wedding. We were watching it on bluray and i noticed horrible sibilance with the vocals.

For those of you that dont know what that is, its a hissing type of noise usually prominent with the "S's" in people conversations or a kind of crispy sound in vocals or background effects.

I was wondering if anyone here has seen that movie and noticed the same thing. (If you havent, i wouldnt recommend it myself. Found it a bit slow for my taste) It was so noticable that i have to assume it was the original recording on the bluray.

For the sake of my system i hope that someone else had the same experience.

Thanks for the help!!
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
If you haevn't noticed it with other DVDs, then I would reach the conclusion that "My Life In Ruins" is just poorly mastered.
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
I noticed some really annoying sibilance with certain movies and music with the Ascend Sierra setup I had....and less so with the Energy RC series setup I have now.

I concluded that some material is just crap sound quality, and a good detailed speaker will faithfully reproduce (unfortunately in this case) the source material, whether good or bad.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I noticed some really annoying sibilance with certain movies and music with the Ascend Sierra setup I had....and less so with the Energy RC series setup I have now.

I concluded that some material is just crap sound quality, and a good detailed speaker will faithfully reproduce (unfortunately in this case) the source material, whether good or bad.
Sibilance is a common defect in speakers. If you only notice on one DVD, the DVD or CD is badly produced.

However if this is noted on a lot of sources, then there is a peak in the speakers response in the 4 to 6 kHz range. The cause, most often, is a break up mode on a driver not addressed by the designer. More often than not sibilance points to a lousy speaker rather than an accurate one.

It is something I always am alert for when evaluating speakers.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
So I'm understanding it to be a defective driver design or a poor mastering.

I'd contend for the later in your case. ;) But speakers aren't perfect and you may have found a weakness in yours. The ideal speaker simply doesn't exist.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I find Sigourney Weaver's voice narrating Planet Earth to be pretty sibilant. I am led to believe it is mostly the fault of the recording. It's been a while since I've seen it though.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
But then how do you explain sibilance in the live voice of some people? I would think it is also present in the real voice too.
I never said it didn't exist naturally. What I intended to impart was that I found the particular recording to have an excessive amount of sibilance, compared not only to the natural sibilance of different voices, but I (intended to) imply that it had more sibilance than other film material with Sigourney Weaver. No, I didn't do a DBT. The first time I heard her voice, I figured it was the really crappy speakers that imparted what I found as excessive sibilance. However, thereafter, I still perceived greater than usual sibilance with Planet Earth on other speakers (albeit reduced). I've seen episodes of the show on at least 4 different speaker setups.

I cannot say for a fact that what I say is fact. Hence, I did say, "I am led to believe it is mostly . . ."
 
timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
If any of you end up watching that movie i was refering to, "My Life In Ruins," post back regarding whether or not you experienced this sibilance. I'd really appreciate it.

It was not just with one characters voice, it happened with almost everyone who spoke in the movie. I literally had to walk out of the room and do something else because it was bugging the crap out of me. I didnt want to ruin the movie for my wife so i never mentioned to her what i was hearing. After she was done watching it i quickly put in Ironman to check my system. All is good with everything else so it has to be just a horrible master.

Boy dont these movie companies check their final product b4 releasing them to the public?.....Oh well!!

If i go into the base curve settings in my Denon and turn down the 4khz and 8khz will that help with hearing sibilance as much, next time i get a movie that has that issue?
 
djreef

djreef

Audioholic Chief
I dunno, I've always corrected for sibilance in the 2.5-3 kHz range. This seems to be where it's most offensive. It seems most studio mics tend to b a shade hot in this region. U may need to mess around with cut and boost to see where the annoyance lands.

DJ
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I never said it didn't exist naturally. What I intended to impart was that I found the particular recording to have an excessive amount of sibilance, compared not only to the natural sibilance of different voices, but I (intended to) imply that it had more sibilance than other film material with Sigourney Weaver. No, I didn't do a DBT. The first time I heard her voice, I figured it was the really crappy speakers that imparted what I found as excessive sibilance. However, thereafter, I still perceived greater than usual sibilance with Planet Earth on other speakers (albeit reduced). I've seen episodes of the show on at least 4 different speaker setups.

I cannot say for a fact that what I say is fact. Hence, I did say, "I am led to believe it is mostly . . ."
I understand. I am just saying that it is hard to determine if sibilance is coming from the performer, the recording process, or speakers. That is why it is so hard to get to the root cause. I suppose at the time of recording the EQ can be cut to eliminate it? Who knows; just another possible source of introduction.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I have never heard a natural speaking voice produce sibilance like an audio system does.
Well, perhaps not as emphasized but it is certainly there. Then you add recording issues, speaker issues and it is over emphasized. I happen to hear it in people at times, some more so than others.
 
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audiohonic65

Audioholic
If you have noticed this problem on one DVD only that means that particular DVD was corrupted.
 
Guiria

Guiria

Senior Audioholic
I've heard sibilance watching Transformers on blu-ray at -15 reference. I have a DIY 4 ohm center channel, a budget receiver, and I wonder if the sibilance could be amp related? Just not sure... 2 nights ago I watched Star Wars I at -17 reference and had no sibilance or harshness whatsoever. I can watch content or listen to music all day long at -20 reference and have no sibilance but when I hit that -15 mark things start to get ugly. It's not even that bad, but I notice it is there vs. watching the same show, same volume, but with no center speaker.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Yeah, sibilance can come from many places along the audio "journey".

Some speakers sound sibilant nearly all the time, in which case, it's probably the speakers themselves!

Some amplifiers can also produce sibilance as can processors.

The soundtrack itself can be sibilant or the microphone could have picked up some sibilance when the recording itself was being made!

One thing that hasn't been mentioned though is that soundtracks for commercial movie theaters are almost always mixed with a boost in the treble to make up for the long distance from the speakers to the audience and for all the human bodies that are sucking up acoustical energy. When the movie is re-engineered for DVD/Blu-ray release, they don't always re-mix the soundtrack. So if you get that original, "hot" mix at home, it often sounds sibilant or harsh. This is what THX Re-EQ was made for - it basically just rolls off the high end.

Most receivers, even if they aren't THX badged, offer some sort of "Cinema EQ"-type setting. For most movies these days, you want to leave that setting off because movies are being re-mixed in the studio specifically for home release. But for the odd movie that still has the original theatrical soundtrack with the hot treble, engaging Re-EQ can often bring the high end back down to where it should be and bring the sibilance under control.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
. . . For most movies these days, you want to leave that setting off because movies are being re-mixed in the studio specifically for home release. But for the odd movie that still has the original theatrical soundtrack with the hot treble, engaging Re-EQ can often bring the high end back down to where it should be and bring the sibilance under control.
If you are correct, I have been misinforming people. I was under the impression that they were using the identical mixes in most cases. Oops. Do you happen to know just how different the mixes are, by any chance? (Not just simple EQ of FR, but . . . any dramatic changes in how they steer ambience/surround, or other things?). Thanks.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
For a lot of movies, the home DVD/Blu-ray release is getting a lot of attention. Many times, they are mixing the theatrical release's audio in a full theater-sized dubbing stage and then they are mixing the home release in a completely separate, small dubbing stage.

So it's often not a case of having identical audio to the theatrical release and often not even a case of just taking the theatrical release and EQ'ing it. It's actually a case of re-mixing the soundtrack as basically a totally new recording - based off of the theatrical release, yes, but made in a totally different room and environment and with different equipment and different sonic goals in mind.
 

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